AC9 versus RSST

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mikepetro

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OK, I am going to put my flame proof armor on and post my thoughts.

I found myself struggling with the whole "clone" morality issue. When I started out, I started out on clones before I even knew that they were clones. As I learned more I learned that these clones were mere copies of the often innovative originals. However, the originals were considerably more expensive, and more often than not - not even available unless you ordered months in advance. So I decided to see if the price delta was indeed "worth it".

I had an RSST, and later learned that it was a pretty blatant clone of the AC9, which as it turns out is made by a fellow who is local to me. So, since I liked the RSST, and since the original rba is actually available to be purchased, I bought one.

RSST
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Price
$20 in a co-op$140 ($125 + $15 for cap with smaller airhole)
Build Quality
  • The build was acceptable, no obvious defects, machining was acceptable.
  • Parts were thinner, though adequate

  • Superb machining
  • Nice heavy thick parts. Has a nice heft to it.
AppearanceLooks decent. Nothing wrong with it, but not as refined looking as AC9Superior Craftsmanship is noticeable as compared to the RSST.
ScrewsSmall screws, harder to work withNice large screw heads
Cap Airhole1.1mm (I liked this better than the airy draw of the AC9)1.5mm (Optional 1.2mm cap for extra $$)
Deck HolesRSST includes an extra "stem" for doing silica type coils. I took mine out.Holes were larger than the RSST, conveniently so.
DriptipSS Driptip, niceFashionable plastic driptip
Unique Features
  • The RSST includes an "insulated" wickhole which reduces one potential cause of short or hotspots.
  • Includes a stopper for fillhole to minimize leaking

  • Larger capacity tank
  • Optional cap with smaller airhole
Ease of setupTook a slight bit more effort because of smaller screws, but features like insulated wickhole make it well suited to a beginnerVERY easy setup, had it up and running in minutes.
TankPlastic - PPPlastic - PMMA though reports of some damage from liquids (Pluid) do exist
Leaking
  • RSST leaked at the 510 connector out of the box, had to reassemble to stop leak.
  • Stopper for travel effective, no leaking with a full tank when on its side. Without stopper leaking is minimal when tipped, I suspect due to smaller fill hole.

  • Leaks very badly if tipped over, eliq pours out. No stopper for travel.
Originality & InnovationA blatant copy
Made in China
Innovative when released
Made in North Carolina
VapeDecent vape out of the box, great vape as experience with it grew.Great vape out of the box, but I was also pretty seasoned in building Gennys by the time I got it.


Soooo, after vaping on both for a while here is where I landed.

The AC9 is clearly a better made RBA. I appreciate the craftsmanship which is superior, it holds more, and it is wee bit easier to setup.

Is it 7 times better? No, not from a functionality point of view.

It is like the difference between buying a good Libby wine glass versus buying a Waterford Crystal wine glass. If you can appreciate the better craftsmanship, and you can afford it, then go for the AC9. Functionally the two are nearly identical. They both vape well, they both are made from good materials, they both are easy to set up.

Am I willing to spend 7 times more for the original? It depends, once in a while I will, but I will also buy the clones as that is what my wallet dictates. Some people buy original works of art by Picasso, some buy prints, some buy both, it all depends on one's budget.

I still struggle with the moral dilemma. It sucks that a group of manufacturers will so blatantly and unabashedly copy someone's work. However, it does not appear to be hurting "most" of the innovative people creating new RBAs. Just look around, I am on a list for the GkmF which has a waiting list months long. People who appreciate the craftsmanship and innovation will still pay for it, and the proof is in these long waiting lists.
 

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I can achieve the same Vape out of my AGA as I can with my Zen. I do believe that the RSST is one of the "better" clones, down to the same issues that the AC9 had on the batch before last. Kind of funny actually that had the same issues

I am not familiar with the history, what issues are you referring to?
BTW, my AC9 is v1.3
 

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I am not familiar with the history, what issues are you referring to?
BTW, my AC9 is v1.3

The prior versions also leaked at the 510 connection. That was the reason for issuing the v1.3. At the same time as v1.3 was made available, there was also an upgrade kit for v1.1 and v1.2.
 

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I had an AC9 and sold it because (other than financial reasons at the time) for ME.. it just wasn't worth what I paid for it and I was able to sell it for a small loss. That was before the rsst came out. When the rsst came out, I bought one..$30. I love it. For me, it's much easier to set up than the AC9 and performs just as well. The "clone" aspect doesn't bother me at all.. everything is a copy of Raidy's original design and the spring/washer design was already in use in other devices.
 

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The level of inconvenience I'm willing to put up with is in inverse proportion to the price I'm paying for a device. While I may not get too upset with some required modification to a $30 RBA, I expect better quality from a $130 device. I have 3 RSSTs and an AC9 v1.2. The AC9 is a nice RBA, now that I've dealt with the leaking and threading issues. But is it worth $100 more than the RSST? Definitely not.
 

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The level of inconvenience I'm willing to put up with is in inverse proportion to the price I'm paying for a device. While I may not get too upset with some required modification to a $30 RBA, I expect better quality from a $130 device. I have 3 RSSTs and an AC9 v1.2. The AC9 is a nice RBA, now that I've dealt with the leaking and threading issues. But is it worth $100 more than the RSST? Definitely not.

"inverse proportion" LOL.. I love you Rule! :D
 

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i have to disagree and say that imo the ac-9 is well worth the extra money. i have always preferred quality products, from vaping stuff to work tools and believe that in the long run it is better to buy quality stuff. i am one who would rather own 2 quality devices then 10 cheapy devices. since vaping i have bought many clone devices and in the end i just don't use them, they just sit in a draw collecting dust. and about the rsst, maybe i just got a bad one but i personally think it is a very over rated clone device and perhaps one of the cheapest made clones i ever purchased. now the original aga-t imo is a very good clone, definatly the best clone i ever bought, this has been the only cheap device that i actually use. i do like the idea of buying a 30 dollar genny and for it to perform as well as a quality device, its just that most don't do it for me, but i keep on trying, i just received the new agi dripper/ genny, maybe this one wont be hard to locate in a few weeks.
 

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Psssssst...I have a Poldiac on the way.

very nice rule, now that's a quality device. when i was in the hunt for a new mechanical mod it was either the poldiac or perhaps the caravela. i thought i would never be able to get the latter so i thought for sure i would have bought the poldiac, but i was picked in the vela lotto so that was that. but now im not so sure i made the right choice, although i love the vela, i don't particularly like the bottom button. its just a little bit of a pain to screw and unscrew ever time you vape. when i received the vela it came with an extra switch spring, the one that was installed in the device was a weaker spring which if you forgot to screw in before you set it down it would continue to fire. just the other day i was saying to myself that i have been lucky to have not forgotton to tighten up the switch before setting it down and the next thing i remember is my dog barking! i look over to the vela and its smoking. i grabbed it and burnt my hand as i unscrewed the battery. this could of been really bad, but nothing got ruined. i then remembered that i seen someone set it down without firing and thought that maybe the extra spring had more tension, and it did. i changed it out and now it could be set down with out firing. all in all i think that maybe the poldiac would of been a better choice.
 

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very nice rule, now that's a quality device. when i was in the hunt for a new mechanical mod it was either the poldiac or perhaps the caravela. i thought i would never be able to get the latter so i thought for sure i would have bought the poldiac, but i was picked in the vela lotto so that was that. but now im not so sure i made the right choice, although i love the vela, i don't particularly like the bottom button. its just a little bit of a pain to screw and unscrew ever time you vape. when i received the vela it came with an extra switch spring, the one that was installed in the device was a weaker spring which if you forgot to screw in before you set it down it would continue to fire. just the other day i was saying to myself that i have been lucky to have not forgotton to tighten up the switch before setting it down and the next thing i remember is my dog barking! i look over to the vela and its smoking. i grabbed it and burnt my hand as i unscrewed the battery. this could of been really bad, but nothing got ruined. i then remembered that i seen someone set it down without firing and thought that maybe the extra spring had more tension, and it did. i changed it out and now it could be set down with out firing. all in all i think that maybe the poldiac would of been a better choice.

I prefer side button devices myself. I don't own any bottom button devices, although I have friends who prefer them. I just find side buttons more comfortable to use.
 

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Had that happen with the RSST, jayD. Never thought it would happen on an ac9.
Has anyone had "spitting" problems with RSST? Mine spits really hot liquid right out the air hole regularly & not sure how to stop it. Only other genesis I have is a bliss v2 & it doesn't do that. Have taken top cap off & rinsed & dried frequently, but.. no luck. Did lose plug & substituted tightly rolled mesh for the silicone plug - don't think that's the reason though.
 

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Had that happen with the RSST, jayD. Never thought it would happen on an ac9.
Has anyone had "spitting" problems with RSST? Mine spits really hot liquid right out the air hole regularly & not sure how to stop it. Only other genesis I have is a bliss v2 & it doesn't do that. Have taken top cap off & rinsed & dried frequently, but.. no luck. Did lose plug & substituted tightly rolled mesh for the silicone plug - don't think that's the reason though.

although I find a lot of issues with the rsst, spitting isn't one of them. could be the juice you use and because the rsst is very shallow compared to the bliss the splatters don't have enough space to retreat back down. also , it is possible that the popping and spitting can be from the build as well.
 

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Had that happen with the RSST, jayD. Never thought it would happen on an ac9.
Has anyone had "spitting" problems with RSST? Mine spits really hot liquid right out the air hole regularly & not sure how to stop it. Only other genesis I have is a bliss v2 & it doesn't do that. Have taken top cap off & rinsed & dried frequently, but.. no luck. Did lose plug & substituted tightly rolled mesh for the silicone plug - don't think that's the reason though.

I have had that happen on several different Gennys, but only sometimes, and only when I use a mesh or SS Rope wick, never had it happen with a ceramic wick. I believe it is my build as the exact same RBA with a new wick/coil of the exact same materials might not do it. It has something to do with how I am building them, I just havent nailed down the root cause yet.

Frankly I dont worry too much about it. The only time it really bothers me is when I am pulsing a new coil with the cap off and the damn thing spits hot juice on me.

EDIT: Ooooops, I just reread your post, my spitting is coming from the wick not the airhole. Sorry........
 
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