Advice on what to buy for newcomers

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mary_d

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Been on the Ego for almost 7 hours now and LOVING IT! I will still give it a week but I don't think I will be changing my mind. Oh I do have to say that I don't like the atty's I def. prefer the 510 titan/tornado carto's I get more heat more flavor and more vapor with them.

Another thing I never liked manual batts so I bought the auto mega batts but am finding myself using the manual more.....So weird
 

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As a newbie; vaping about 45 days now, I agree with you. I was one who fell into listening to what others like. So far I've wasted a lot of money and time. Within 45 days I now own an E9 from Green Smoke, a V4L KR808D-1, and now a Joye 510 not to mention all the accessories; chargers, cases, blah, blah.

For anyone who is strapped for cash and wanting to vape, they need to read a ton of information then sit down and seriously think about the different e-cigs and vap apparatus. How you smoke, what you smoked, how much time do you want to spend filling, cleaning, ease of use, dependability, charging times and so much more.

Chances are that the first e-cig you buy will not be your last. You'll want to try something else sooner or later. You'll want to explore the varities and flavors of juices.

You'll want to try something else because of the 'reviews' you read and watch, always thinking the grass is always greener.... Knowing and owning what I do now, I'm happy with what I have. I'm able to honestly tell you what works and doesn't work...for me; not you or anyone else.

So rather than telling someone what to buy, why not tell them WHY they should try it over the others. It may make it a bit easier for newbies like me.
 

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If I would have found ECF instead of another forum first, I wouldn't have paid so much for a 510 clone. Then upgraded it with a mega battery, multiple port chargers, car chargers, etc. And then still be disappointed! I could have saved about $250.00 on what I spent so far. As a heavy (2.5 pack a day) smoker, my advice is normally aimed at the other heavier smokers, NOT the social smokers! And 510 type ecigs just don't cut it for heavy smokers. Changing battieries every 1.5 hours; charging the carts every 2 made the pack of analogs in the car essential if I was going anywhere.
I now have the mega everything - 900mah batteries; mega atty and mega carts and love it! I wish I would have found ECF before ordering my first ecig!
 

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Ok I'm back to tell what I think of the EGO....I gave it longer than a week just to be fair. i have learned that I don't like the auto bats after all even though before the Ego I swore by them. I have tried the 4081 cartos on the Ego and I got less vapor,TH and flavor so that's a no go for me. I tried the LR 510 (2.0 ohm) cartos on the Ego and I got lots of vapor a great TH but the flavor didn't seem as good so those are also a no go for me. I tried the slb 510 cartos and they were just to weak in every category for me so those are a no go. My favorite so far the mega 510 cartos they gave me great TH,flavor and oodles of vapor. I still want to try the regular boge 510 cartos but for now the mega 510's are working great. Now as for the Ego itself I LOVE IT! With the right carto it is everything I have been looking for. I like only having to change a battery once a day and some days not at all. It is nice to be able to travel light just grab a couple cartos and go. I have already recommended them to all the others that I converted to vaping that are now using and complaining about the battery life of their current ones. I love my 4081 because it did get me off the nasty analogs (3 months today!!!) and I don't think I would have liked the Ego in the beginning because it is so big but I LOVE IT now and it is all I have used since it came in the mail :).


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The reason I'll recommend the Riva first is because it can be had for less than the 510. When it vapes about the same but lasts much longer and gives the option of LR equipment, its simply illogical to suggest the 510. If they find they don't like the slightly larger size of the Riva simply take the $10 you saved and get a 510 battery.

The point is, far more people would choose to upgrade from 510>ego/Riva than ego users would downgrade from that to a 510. When the Riva makes the upgrade cost 10 bucks less its a no brainer.
 

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Thanks Uba! :)

Jonny Thanks for explaining that now I understand why the 4081 carto is amazing on my 4081 bat but not my ego. Guess I probably should start putting some of my stuff on the PIF instead of letting it just sit in the drawer.......But I am just so lazy LOL.

NOOOOO....

Get yourself a real 3.7v device, and EVERYTHING will work well, not just those few combinations that work well in eGo-land... which is why I dislike the eGo so darned much... It's loaded with short-comings, and EVERYTHING you called a no-go would perform even better on a 3.7v device. absolutely everything.

I think we should call this condition "eGo-Blind"
 

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I think we should call this condition "eGo-Blind"

You reasons for disliking the ego are well-known and also well-founded but most come here to seek an
alternative to analogs and not to acquire a ton of technical knowledge right away. That will come later should they have the interest, time, money etc. and a friendly (not critical) person to show them the way.
 

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You reasons for disliking the ego are well-known and also well-founded but most come here to seek an
alternative to analogs and not to acquire a ton of technical knowledge right away. That will come later should they have the interest, time, money etc. and a friendly (not critical) person to show them the way.

I'm actually a pretty friendly guy. It doesn't take technical knowledge to buy the right thing... it takes good advice.

Now here we have a person that loves her eGo, in certain circumstances when it works well with a narrow range of choices. With no technical knowledge at all, she has found her way to the narrow combination of circumstances that the eGo will do "well". What she has YET to see is how much better it can be, because the eGo-maniacs have pushed thier particular agenda on her, and she purchased it.

Had she been given other advice she may have ended up with a 3.7v device that outperforms the eGo in absolutely every way!

See... here's the thing.

The 510 is a nice little e-cig, ~3.2V, makes good vapor, nice TH and the flavor is just OK, nothing too exceptional there, but it works. The eGo is the exact same thing with a longer lasting battery. Same voltage, samevapor, same TH, same flavor. It's a 3.2v 510.

Does it do LR particularly well? Not exactly, though a lot of the baseline performance comes from the lower resistance of the native atomizer, which is 2.5ish Ohms, so it's already a relatively low resistance device from the get go.

The SAME carto/atty on a 3.7v device will jump through hoops. It takes NO technical knowledge to see how this all comes together. A longer lasting battery (eGo) is NOT the same thing as a Higher Voltage battery.

So, when a newb learns that the eGo is out there, and they have been told how much BETTER it is, they buy it. That part makes sense. The part that DOESN'T make sense is when these suggestions prevent a person that is truly looking for a superior vape from getting both longer battery life AND increased vapor production, TH and flavor. When the eGo user is not satisfied with the performance (as was promised by the well intentioned, but misinformed eGo Maniac), they go for LR atty/cartos which severely threaten the function of the eGo/Riva/FatBat device.

I have heard arguments that the eGo is a GREAT value...

It is not. When you look at the cost over a couple of years as batteries are replaced, etc, a 14500 device is MUCH cheaper to own, and only SLIGHTLY more expensive to initially acquire. And the performance is not even CLOSE, in reality. Truth be known, I can experience WAY better vapor,TH, and flavor using an 801 Pen Style... Battery life is shorter, but the vape is MUCH better. I quit smoking using a pen style 801, two batteries lasted all day.

I would LOVE to see people come on this forum and be greeted by friendly folks that actually know what they are talking about that are willing to take the time to explain the options. I have been known to do that, only to be flat-out attacked for being "anti-eGo". If I am anti-eGo it is ONLY because I am PRO Performance, and we ALL agree that the better an eCig performs, the more likely a person is to succeed at the transition to being smoke free! Doesn't that make sense?

Now, with that all being said... I KNOW the eGo is "good enough" for many people. So is the 510. So is the 901,801,306 and 808... But I have YET to see ANYBODY ask for an eCig that is "just good enough". They ask for analog looking devices that perform well, and hopefully better than the mall junk that they have been exposed to. The eGo is NOT what they are asking for! Telling them they will FAIL if they don't buy an eGo is simply idiotic! I FINALLY bought an eGo after I quit smoking, just to see what the hype was all about! I had ALREADY owned a Pen Style, and there is no way on Gods Green Earth that the eGo outperformed an 801 in the critical areas of TH,Flavor and Vapor production. Battery Life... yes... everything else... Not a chance. Not even close!

I also purchased a 10440 mod from Totally Wicked... It was my forst Mod, and it KILLED the eGo. Flat-out killed it... AND the battery life was pretty darned good... not eGo good... but since the device was ALSO a passthrough, that pretty much solved that issue.

Then I got into 14500 devices. OMG... Battery Life galore, and all the vapor I could want, great flavor... everything.

At absolutely NO POINT has an eGo EVER outperformed any other device I have owned. Except in battery life.

Well, here's my opinion, as though I have not voiced it enough...

The eGo is a longer lasting 510, nothing more. It performs EXACTLY like a stock 510, and I have owned many stock 510s (20 at one time, to be exact...) The eGo has ONE benefit over the lowly 510... Battery Life... plain and simple. That's all there is.

There are tens of THOUSANDS of combinations that can be assembled that will so far and away outperfom an eGo that it boggles the MIND how anybody could even THINK the eGo is the best eCig on the market. It's so far from "the best" it's actually comical to me that anybody could ever say "It's the best for most people".

The eGo is a cheap, FatBat eCig that is popular because it is so accessible and because so many people are hung up on battery life they forget to see what ELSE is out there. To me... Flavor matters... a lot. Vapor matters... a lot. TH matters, a little. Battery life is EASY. The other three are not, and I would absolutely never trade Flavot for battery life because I can BUY more batteries. If there was an eCig the lasted 30 minutes and had the absolute BEST TH,FLAVOR and Vapor... I would buy as many batteries it takes to make it through the day. If that was the ONLY option... I would own 20 batteries if thats what it took. (Thankfully, theres other solutions)

When I smoked analogs, I left my home with over 20 cigarettes. I never once complained that I had to take a new one out of the pack when I wanted to smoke. I never ONCE complained that I had to carry a whole pack or more with me everywhere I went. I had cigs, and I had a lighter... if I ran out of either, I replaced them, and in NY that translates to 10 bucks a day... 300 bucks or more per month. ANYBODY that smokes, can afford to buy the best PV on the market... each and every month if they so choose.

When an analog burned out... that was it... over... move on... smoke some more later. I didn't ever feel the need to have a cigarette last me 8 hours. It's silly when we look at it this way isn't it?

The eGo solves the battery life problem for some people... not all people... but it's lame in the other, more important areas of performance.

To Me.
 
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Let's talk about riding bikes for a minute.

There are the kids who don't need the training wheels and the kids that do. Some times they cost extra and sometimes they don't, but it shouldn't matter if the kid needs the training wheels or not just as long as the kid is learning how to ride the bike.

Give them the right training wheel information and when they are ready to go without them and get an upgrade on their bike, they will be well on their way to riding something much better. Don't give them what they need and they could fall off the bike and not want to get back on.

New vapers sometimes need a few training e-cigs that are mostly easy to use, have that comfortable feel to them, without having too much hassle. Yeah, making sure I have charged batteries can be a bit of hassle, but in the last three weeks I've managed to get through with just three kr808 batteries working and one charger. Is there a better model out there for me? I don't know, I still need my comfort zone and refilling cartomizers is that limit right now. I understand how to charge batteries with a USB charger. I get that when they blink it's time to switch batteries, but I still like and want the basic feel of a cigarette. It's kept me off analogs for three weeks now and I happy with it.

I will probably eventually upgrade to something else, but don't try to sell a Harley to a kid looking for two wheeler with training wheels. Yeah, I will probably like the Harley later on, but right now, I like my training wheel firmly under me.
 

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I like to play a little game in the new members forum called "How long till someone recommends an eGo"
this game is most fun when you see a post that absolutely doesn't need an eGo.
Im currently watching
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ewbie-seeking-lightweight-e-cig-15g-help.html
...while someone has mentioned a riva no one has actually recommended it yet....yet....

LOL...don't know if I can muster the strength to go over there. Between this subject and the FDA I'm beat.



Oh....what the hell...
 

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That thread started in July of 2009, before full blown eGo mania had set in because the eGo wasn't on the market yet. It was just revived this week by somebody. If that had started this week, ill bet the eGo would have been mentioned already.

In July of 09 people were 510 crazy... Which is why the OP purchased one, as stated in the post.
 
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Wow that is old ..before my time by a bit...


Well even with out Ego being metioned this is on topic with the OP... :D

I mean
1. if one payed attention they would have known it was old :D
2. It was a real new member that resurected it, and even though it shows that that member does research the forums and posted accordingly

noone directly responded to the resurector after that post :D


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