Advice on what to buy for newcomers
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Wow Zen that was quite a rant. It actually makes me feel like I need to defend the Ego a little. While the Ego is not the be-all-end-all e-cig, I absolutely believe that it is a great starter for many people. My first mod also used 10440 batteries, I absolutely LOVED that thing, compared to a standard 510. I eventually ditched it in favor of a PureSmoker V3, giving the 10440 mod to my mother, who happily used it until I got her an Ego.
The 10440 batteries simply couldn't hold up to a 2.0 carto for any length of time compared to an ego, and battery life once again becomes a major issue. While reading these threads, time and time again I have done side-by-side comparisons with my ego and V3 with a 17670 battery, and I honestly can not tell the huge difference that people claim. While there does seem to be SOME difference, there isn't nearly enough of one for me to crucify the ego or to justify the weight of the V3 at all times. Sometimes, many times actually, I simply prefer to use the Ego.
To say that the ONLY benefit to the ego is battery life just seems to me to be a half truth. The ego can run 2 ohm carto's in excellent fashion, which is a major step up from standard atomizers. I do not recall seeing any posts with people claiming that a LR carto of 2 ohms has fried the mosfet on their ego/fat batt, it always seems to be atomizers in the 1.5 range. In the past month or so, I've given out Ego kits to 7 people, along with a package of Boge 2 ohm carto's and some juice, and NONE of those people are currently smoking. The majority of those people had previously tried e-cigs sold at the local smoke shop, which is a way overpriced Joye 306, and simply didn't see the appeal. The ego has made converts out of these people. If I had tried to price a mod to these people, or even tried to pass off the size of most mods to these people, they never would have made the switch. Mods are a great thing, but many people have to work up to them. The ego is a long lasting battery, capable of using better atomizers/cartomizers, in a decent size and a pretty good looking package. While I have always tried to base my recommendations on what people are looking for, I do see the appeal of the Ego considering I use one myself in favor of my mod on a regular basis. I'm fairly certain that my ego's will begin collecting dust once my ProVari arrives, but c'mon, look past your "hatred" of the ego and see it's finer points, and maybe you can see the reason behind the ego-mania, even if you don't agree with it.
In the end, it's not the best e-cig, but it's not the worst. When you factor in starting costs, size, battery life and looks, it is clearly capable of serving the needs of a great deal many people. In the end, the nature of personal preference will mean that there will always be people with an undying love of a product that you despise. It's never going to end. Just as you love the 801, I find it lacking over the ego in every category that you give it praise for. We are simply searching/tasting/feeling different things.
By the way, I'd have to find the thread, but it seems the ego is not a 3.2v device. Due to the PWM nature of the ego, the loaded voltage is closer to 3.4 or 3.5.
The 10440 batteries simply couldn't hold up to a 2.0 carto for any length of time compared to an ego, and battery life once again becomes a major issue. While reading these threads, time and time again I have done side-by-side comparisons with my ego and V3 with a 17670 battery, and I honestly can not tell the huge difference that people claim. While there does seem to be SOME difference, there isn't nearly enough of one for me to crucify the ego or to justify the weight of the V3 at all times. Sometimes, many times actually, I simply prefer to use the Ego.
To say that the ONLY benefit to the ego is battery life just seems to me to be a half truth. The ego can run 2 ohm carto's in excellent fashion, which is a major step up from standard atomizers. I do not recall seeing any posts with people claiming that a LR carto of 2 ohms has fried the mosfet on their ego/fat batt, it always seems to be atomizers in the 1.5 range. In the past month or so, I've given out Ego kits to 7 people, along with a package of Boge 2 ohm carto's and some juice, and NONE of those people are currently smoking. The majority of those people had previously tried e-cigs sold at the local smoke shop, which is a way overpriced Joye 306, and simply didn't see the appeal. The ego has made converts out of these people. If I had tried to price a mod to these people, or even tried to pass off the size of most mods to these people, they never would have made the switch. Mods are a great thing, but many people have to work up to them. The ego is a long lasting battery, capable of using better atomizers/cartomizers, in a decent size and a pretty good looking package. While I have always tried to base my recommendations on what people are looking for, I do see the appeal of the Ego considering I use one myself in favor of my mod on a regular basis. I'm fairly certain that my ego's will begin collecting dust once my ProVari arrives, but c'mon, look past your "hatred" of the ego and see it's finer points, and maybe you can see the reason behind the ego-mania, even if you don't agree with it.
In the end, it's not the best e-cig, but it's not the worst. When you factor in starting costs, size, battery life and looks, it is clearly capable of serving the needs of a great deal many people. In the end, the nature of personal preference will mean that there will always be people with an undying love of a product that you despise. It's never going to end. Just as you love the 801, I find it lacking over the ego in every category that you give it praise for. We are simply searching/tasting/feeling different things.
By the way, I'd have to find the thread, but it seems the ego is not a 3.2v device. Due to the PWM nature of the ego, the loaded voltage is closer to 3.4 or 3.5.
I've seen threads of that nature, and the engineering that attempts to prove it's a higher voltage doesn't pass muster. The RMS voltage means nothing when driving a DC powered heating element. Under load the eGo is actually closer to 3.0v.
At the end if the day, the eGo is a 510 with a longer lasting charge. It is what it is. To say it can run 2.0 cartos in "fine fashion" is swell, but I can say the same thing about my TW Titan 510, which in fact vapes gorgeously with a TW 1.5 ohm atty for about an hour at a time... It's a nice little PV. There are so many great combinations of thingsout there it boggles the mind to even think about it.
You seem to like the look of the eGo... I think it looks rather cheap and mundane.
Ok, I'll say some nice things about the ego, if you insist.
1) the eGo has great battery life
2) the eGo vapes just as well as a 510
3) the eGo produces pretty fair vapor
4) the eGo produces reasonable throat hit
These are all good things, and I don't argue that these add up to anything shy of acceptable, BUT, put the same atty on a 14500 and watch it come to life as it:
1) has great battery life
2) improved flavor
3) produces more vapor both in quantity and quality
4) has better throat hit
Take the same 14500 and put an 801 atty on there and you will experience:
1) great battery life
2) flavor increases dramatically
3) massively improved vapor
4) incredible throat hit
The eGo is OK... But it's not what it's cracked up to be! As I said before... It is what it is.
Now... The ProVari you mentioned.... THAT is en exceptional PV... I was lucky enough to get mine before Christmas and boy oh boy are you in for a treat! If you prefer your eGo to the ProVari, we'll need to explore what's wrong with your senses
My 801 (That I'm not sure if I even own anymore because I haven't seen it in almost a year) must have been faulty, because I haven't seen it because compared to my 510, I got less flavor (granted I still don't taste most flavors extremely well, which probably explains why I still prefer tobacco flavors), less TH, and at best the same vapor, probably a little less.
Again, while I do get a bit more vapor and TH from my 17670 battery, I'm not convinced it's enough to outweigh the cons of weight and size, which is why I carry an ego or Riva when I'm out and about.
As far as the ProVari, I can't wait! I wish I had ordered it when I originally wanted to, but opted to wait for reviews. I ended up ordering it before any shipped anyway, so all I did was lengthen my wait time
I'm hoping that it will be the last PV I buy for quite some time.
*Edit* I do realize that the ProVari will be similar in weight/size to my V3. I'm simply hoping that the pro's of the ProVari outweigh those cons. From what I've seen/read, I'm sure it will. While I have vaped at 3.7/5/6 volts, this is my first venture into the world of VV, the ProVari just seemed like a great place to start, and hopefully end.
Again, while I do get a bit more vapor and TH from my 17670 battery, I'm not convinced it's enough to outweigh the cons of weight and size, which is why I carry an ego or Riva when I'm out and about.
As far as the ProVari, I can't wait! I wish I had ordered it when I originally wanted to, but opted to wait for reviews. I ended up ordering it before any shipped anyway, so all I did was lengthen my wait time
I'm hoping that it will be the last PV I buy for quite some time.*Edit* I do realize that the ProVari will be similar in weight/size to my V3. I'm simply hoping that the pro's of the ProVari outweigh those cons. From what I've seen/read, I'm sure it will. While I have vaped at 3.7/5/6 volts, this is my first venture into the world of VV, the ProVari just seemed like a great place to start, and hopefully end.
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Zen,
All you have to do is make your long, well-worded, accurate and knowledgeable post a sticky and you have done all you could do !!
In 2004-5 I was screaming at the top of my lungs that the economy would crash and burn (describing reasons, giving examples, suggesting certain strategies to avoid financial ruin etc) and they all thought I was NUTS! Some people don't want to listen. For as long the the people that "don't want to listen" choose this path, you could be on the rooftops with a bullhorn and little will happen. Same exact thing in the computer world with Unix/Linux and Windows. Unix/Linux people screaming about the fact that with Unix you are limited only by your imagination as opposed to the fact that Windows "binds" you the OS. Did that make a difference?
Long story short, you aren't up against a PV, you are challenging a mindset; a mentality.
If the particular PV gets them off analogs, then what's the harm? Nobody questioned the availability of better devices. It would be foolish to do so.
Anyway, I started with the Mall Cig 2 years ago e9, kr8 etc. They sucked and I was forced to go back. This time around, I got 2 Leos and an eGo and am off analogs. Already mixing juices and looking for the perfect 5v PV. Not too bad for a week!
This also means I have that extra Leo atty that I'm willing to donate to your cause if you want it.
All you have to do is make your long, well-worded, accurate and knowledgeable post a sticky and you have done all you could do !!
In 2004-5 I was screaming at the top of my lungs that the economy would crash and burn (describing reasons, giving examples, suggesting certain strategies to avoid financial ruin etc) and they all thought I was NUTS! Some people don't want to listen. For as long the the people that "don't want to listen" choose this path, you could be on the rooftops with a bullhorn and little will happen. Same exact thing in the computer world with Unix/Linux and Windows. Unix/Linux people screaming about the fact that with Unix you are limited only by your imagination as opposed to the fact that Windows "binds" you the OS. Did that make a difference?
Long story short, you aren't up against a PV, you are challenging a mindset; a mentality.
If the particular PV gets them off analogs, then what's the harm? Nobody questioned the availability of better devices. It would be foolish to do so.
Anyway, I started with the Mall Cig 2 years ago e9, kr8 etc. They sucked and I was forced to go back. This time around, I got 2 Leos and an eGo and am off analogs. Already mixing juices and looking for the perfect 5v PV. Not too bad for a week!
This also means I have that extra Leo atty that I'm willing to donate to your cause if you want it.
People, think of what you started with, and what got you off cigarettes. Some people might be happy if they start with something they like. I started with SmokeStik and that continues to be what I vape. I ordered 2 Riva kits, because i came on this site, and felt like I was a dork for vaping a SmokeStik. I took the rivas out of the box, and they looked cheap to me, and so I gave them away to two differnt people on this site.
My suggestion is a kit that looks like a cigarette to get the same hold & feel. If that doesn't fill the bill at a later date, move to a different outfit.
My suggestion is a kit that looks like a cigarette to get the same hold & feel. If that doesn't fill the bill at a later date, move to a different outfit.
General consensus for Noobs are that they start out wanting something that will identically replace their cigarettes - sight and taste. There's nothing wrong with starting with that even if we think it's crappy. If they want to move on, they will.
They want a analog looking device just like they need the marlboro light tasting tobacco. I can tell you now i WISH someone would have pushed me to get an ego at first. I wasted 65.00 on a standard 510 kit. ACTUALLY i wouldn't recommend they get any starter kit. I'd recommend they buy the cheapest Ego batteries they can buy, grab 2 cisco LR 306 atty's and some cheap tobacco juice and start from there. spend around 45.00 bucks for probably one of the best vaping experiences you can have.
I think the reason people keep telling the rookies to grab the ego's is because they will eventually get an Ego anyway, why waste the money?
My brother in law demanded a cigarette looking e cig so i told him to get them from donttouchmybutt.com it works well but he doesn't like the low amount of vape from it. he tried my LR 306 and was inlove.
See where i'm going with this? lol
What people WANT isn't really what people need. And i'd of really appreciated not wasting my money on the original 510 kit i bought had someone pushed me to.
I think the reason people keep telling the rookies to grab the ego's is because they will eventually get an Ego anyway, why waste the money?
My brother in law demanded a cigarette looking e cig so i told him to get them from donttouchmybutt.com it works well but he doesn't like the low amount of vape from it. he tried my LR 306 and was inlove.
See where i'm going with this? lol
What people WANT isn't really what people need. And i'd of really appreciated not wasting my money on the original 510 kit i bought had someone pushed me to.
There is absolutely no basis for this comment.
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there are ~20,000 eCig users per week starting at this time, based on industry statistics... you are saying they will ALL get an eGo eventually?
Do you realize how far off base your comment is?
For 30 bucks you can get a 14500 box mod and two batteries for an ever better "best vaping experience"
in terms of cost effectiveness and bang for your buck, Ego is the best solution for your money and convenient. half of my office has turned to vaping and EACH ONE OF THEM moved an an ego or an ego knock off. These guys/gals don't want a big mod like mine but they want a long lasting battery and an awesome vaping experience. You know what, let's take the name EGO out of this. EVENTUALLY these people will leave the disposable kits and goto a mod of some kind. Be it a Volcano, a tornado an ego whatever. I don't know alot of people that stick with their traditional joye 510 kit. i really don't. My mother is almost 60 years old and she has only been vaping for 3 weeks and she's already evolved past it and to a "EGO TYPE" mod.
I think the point people talking to the new vapers about is, you are getting a better vape and a longer battery life if you just grab one of these kits now instead of migrating to it after you buy your first Blu or Janty Stick.
I definately agree with you on that. 100% but I think the Ego look is a tad more appealing to someone wanting an analog look to a box mod. But you are definately right.
Infact, i have a omega and i love it. But, i'd kill to be able to have like a big brother or a VMU right now or a Mamu. So you are 100% right that would be a better vaping experience. I just don't see Karl from the mail room moving from his pack of marlboro reds to a wet box. I don't think it would be visually appealing at first to him.
No....in terms of form factor an ego may be better for your buck, as I will admit some of the Ego style batteries are nice looking...I like the T-rex and the Inferno's...but as far as bang for your buck, a cheap box mod is a better bang for your buck as its putting out 3.7 volts..replacement batteries are 4.50 if ordered from the united states, it has a button that won't potentially blow itself out on an LR....of course all this has been said before in this thread.
Sorry looks like I leapfrogged your post,
Yes the form factor of the eGo is important to some people...but at that point they can no longer knock kr808 users for also picking form factor over function as they are sharing the same boat.
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This leads to a whole new discussion about the same topic though. What exactly is the best vaping experience for a newbie leaving a pack of cig a day habit? or even a casual smoker? because in MY OPINION. i don't really think at first it is a preference thing. I think we all sorta think alike at first. need visual similarity and exhale similarity. But at the same time we still need the big cloud of smoke and a nice little kick in the back of the throat. what is truly the best NEW vaporers experience?
The new Bloog MaxxFusion is what I recommend to many smokers looking to switch--320mAh batteries & carts rated at 2.8ohms or so, prefilled cartos...if someone had tried to introduce me to vaping with some of the other devices mentioned, I wouldn't have given it a chance.
Analog looking devices get you here...LR, bigger batteries, VV...help keep you here.
KISS...Keep It Simple Stupid...
Analog looking devices get you here...LR, bigger batteries, VV...help keep you here.
KISS...Keep It Simple Stupid...
Damn...I completely forgot the kr808. You have completely trumped me here. I don't have a leg to stand on with the kr808 argument.... there is tons of love in that e cig culture and I think i'd have to say because of the CONVENIENCE of the carto's right off the bat, that probably would be the best newbie vaping experience. damn...completely forgot that one.
You know what, i'm now agreeing with the OP. the ego wouldn't be the best fit for a newbie. I think the kr808 would probably be the best bang for your buck in terms of visual stimulant and vaping experience. or SOMETHING LIKE IT.
The biggest turn off to me when i first started was the carts. ugh....a traditional 510 and carts and refilling them with the horrid juice in your mouth will turn anyone away from vaping. the moment i found a great drip tip and a big ole battery my vaping experience changed. But not everyone would have stuck it out like that.
Also, to touch on the box mod comment, i think any mod OTHER than the ego (if we even call it a mod..i guess we can call it that) would be a bad idea for any new vape experience. screwing around with rechargeable batteries right off the bat is a bad idea. when most people that don't use them on a daily basis think rechargeables they think of those old school ones there parents used in the 90's when the freezer method didnt work. not using protected or rechargeables and trying to charge them.
Then you not only ruined their vaping experience you could possibly injure them. BUT i know what you meant about box mod and the vaping experience.
The biggest turn off to me when i first started was the carts. ugh....a traditional 510 and carts and refilling them with the horrid juice in your mouth will turn anyone away from vaping. the moment i found a great drip tip and a big ole battery my vaping experience changed. But not everyone would have stuck it out like that.
Also, to touch on the box mod comment, i think any mod OTHER than the ego (if we even call it a mod..i guess we can call it that) would be a bad idea for any new vape experience. screwing around with rechargeable batteries right off the bat is a bad idea. when most people that don't use them on a daily basis think rechargeables they think of those old school ones there parents used in the 90's when the freezer method didnt work. not using protected or rechargeables and trying to charge them.
Then you not only ruined their vaping experience you could possibly injure them. BUT i know what you meant about box mod and the vaping experience.
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