Airplane Peanut Thrower Arrested!! (that just happened to be using an ecig)

[want to quit]

A fellow Monkeyboxx member posted this in the mb thread and I just saw the report this morning on CNN. It's funny because we just talked on here about vaping in Restaurants and how most of us use their Pv's the way they used cigarettes but this guy was so unhappy about the fact that he was not allowed to use his e-cig on a southwest flight that he throw peanuts at the flight attendance.

If the person is on ECF please come here so I can personally give you my 2cents to the situation.

AP National News | Turn to 10

Man Jailed For Tossing Peanuts, Pretzels On Flight

 

[TomCatt]

Actually he was arrested for throwing peanuts and pretzels at the flight attendant, not for using his PV. Sounds like the dude needs some WTA, perhaps some snus would help .

 

[want to quit]

That makes it even better. "Sir have you ever been arrested before?" "Yes I was on a plane and throwing pretzels at people". +1 for the dude wonder what kind of PV he had.

 

[hairball]

Stealth vaping, in his case, would have been a better option instead of it leading into a peanut throwing match....or go to the restroom and vape yourself silly.

 

[wdave]

A fellow Monkeyboxx member posted this in the mb thread and I just saw the report this morning on CNN. It's funny because we just talked on here about vaping in Restaurants and how most of us use their Pv's the way they used cigarettes but this guy was so unhappy about the fact that he was not allowed to use his e-cig on a southwest flight that he throw peanuts at the flight attendance.

If the person is on ECF please come here so I can personally give you my 2cents to the situation.

AP National News | Turn to 10

Man Jailed For Tossing Peanuts, Pretzels On Flight

I think this is the PERFECT way to promote ecigs. We should just act crazy. Maybe people won't take us seriously, which IMHO is a good thing.

 

[WomanOfHeart]

I already posted a comment about this in another thread, but I'll say it again since it bears repeating:

Jackwagons like this guy make it harder for the rest of us who respect the rules to have vaping be accepted. I don't always like the rules, but I'll still respect them. Yes, taking it in the restroom and steath vaping would've been a better alternative than an altercation with a flight attendant. Some people just don't get it and it really ticks me off. Just because some idiot at the mall kiosk or some website stated that you can use them anywhere doesn't make it true.

 

[Cronus6]

Why do I get the feeling that drinking was probably involved in this?

 

[want to quit]

I already posted a comment about this in another thread, but I'll say it again since it bears repeating:

Jackwagons like this guy make it harder for the rest of us who respect the rules to have vaping be accepted. I don't always like the rules, but I'll still respect them. Yes, taking it in the restroom and steath vaping would've been a better alternative than an altercation with a flight attendant. Some people just don't get it and it really ticks me off. Just because some idiot at the mall kiosk or some website stated that you can use them anywhere doesn't make it true.

100% agree with you it's not like I went on a plane in the past got my Marlboro box out and smoked. Not like I smoked in restaurants or other places where it was prohibited. As a fellow ECf member said as well as you do so many vendors present this "smoke everywhere" image which really annoys me a lot. If I want to vape I go outside the bar or restaurant exactly like I did when I was smoking.

Still hope the guy is on ECF so I can give him my opinion.

 

[wdave]

Stealth vaping, in his case, would have been a better option instead of it leading into a peanut throwing match....or go to the restroom and vape yourself silly.

Yes. And the bathroom is where those juices with sweet smelling vapor come in very handy. People actually thank me for vaping while I am on the throne

Dave

 

[WomanOfHeart]

Still hope the guy is on ECF so I can give him my opinion.

This guy wouldn't want my real opinion. I was being extremely nice in my post because I couldn't post what I was really thinking.

 

[wdave]

This guy wouldn't want my real opinion. I was being extremely nice in my post because I couldn't post what I was really thinking.

You take this pretty seriously woman-of-heart. I love your intentions. However, if anyone really took smoking cigarettes seriously, they would have banned the sale of cigarettes a long time ago. Same for gambling. Same for alcohol. Vices live on in our society, as long as they are not promoted as anything other than a vice.

IMHO,
Dave

 

[want to quit]

I have to agree with WomanofHeart on this one it's not about right or wrong or taking the matter serious or not it is mainly about the picture that instance like this will have on e-cig use. If in the next month more of these cases happen I am sure TSA will prohibit us from even taking our Pv with us in the plane.

Also it's a thing of respect towards others if you ask me. Yes vaping is not as bad but still who in their right mind would sit in the plane with a freaking mod and vape like a monkey in front of everyone I mean please grow a brain I want to slap that idiot haha.

 

[Cronus6]

You take this pretty seriously woman-of-heart. I love your intentions. However, if anyone really took smoking cigarettes seriously, they would have banned the sale of cigarettes a long time ago. Same for gambling. Same for alcohol. Vices live on in our society, as long as they are not promoted as anything other than a vice.

IMHO,
Dave

Vices live in our society because they generally tax the crap out of them. And in the case of alcohol, Prohibition taught the government that it's just easier to regulate the manufacture and tax than it is to outright ban.

I firmly believe that while a lot of politicians "talk" a lot about cigarettes, they know that an outright ban would never work. And they NEED the money the taxes bring in. They do love to use the excuse of "higher health care costs (welfare)" to justify hiking cigarette taxes though.

Can you imagine a ban on cigs and people being locked up for violating it? "Whatcha in for dude?" "Oh I'm doing 5 years for possession of tobacco...". Or even worse "I'm doing 5 years for possession of nic juice".

Prohibitions never work. All they do is create black markets and fill jails.

 

[Uncle Willie]

Vices live in our society because they generally tax the crap out of them. And in the case of alcohol, Prohibition taught the government that it's just easier to regulate the manufacture and tax than it is to outright ban.

I firmly believe that while a lot of politicians "talk" a lot about cigarettes, they know that an outright ban would never work. And they NEED the money the taxes bring in. They do love to use the excuse of "higher health care costs (welfare)" to justify hiking cigarette taxes though.

Can you imagine a ban on cigs and people being locked up for violating it? "Whatcha in for dude?" "Oh I'm doing 5 years for possession of tobacco...". Or even worse "I'm doing 5 years for possession of nic juice".

Prohibitions never work. All they do is create black markets and fill jails.

Counterpoint .. the higher the tax, the more quit .. thus, the Governmental need for the cash is really not true .. in fact, if they truly wanted more cash, they would lower the tax and promote smoking .. as well, it is an unacceptable burdon on the Heath Care system as it is a voluntary activity .. proven over many years to be a heath hazard ..

Prohibition was not ended because of Governments need for money .. it was ended because the law was impossible to fully enforce, the public was generally against the law and pressure was put on politicians by the citizens to repeal the law .. as well, Government felt that prohibition fostered organized crime (which it did) ..

Although a prohibition on anything generally does not fully work, (witness the underground drug market) as long as there are enough folks willing to pay the price for the goods and the seller can make a profit .. the stance on elimination of cig smoking was and is orchestrated thru an educational campaign, which will culminate next year (I believe) in the placement of extreme graphic info on all cig packs, designed to scare the crap out of users ..

Lastly, there has been talk within Government on an outright ban ..

 

[Darrigaaz]

Counterpoint .. the higher the tax, the more quit .. thus, the Governmental need for the cash is really not true .. in fact, if they truly wanted more cash, they would lower the tax and promote smoking ..

How many of us used to say, "If cigs ever rose to $3 a pack, I'm quitting", then later say, "If cigs ever rose to $4 a pack, I'm done with this!". Even in the cheaper states, cigs are now $6+ a pack, and there's lots of smokers.

If they raise the tax by 25%, then maybe 15% of people quit for a few days. 2% might actually quit for good because of the cost. This means that the total taxes that come in are still higher than they were previously.

 

[jameth]

I've said it before, and I will say it again, we are trying to emulate smoking, why should we not expect to follow the rules in regards to smoking?

As was said earlier in this thread, its idiots like this that will make airlines outright ban us from having the devices on the plane period.

Grow up people, I honestly can't believe some of the ridiculous stories I've read on here about similar incidents.

I don't vape in places where smoking is banned, for the same reasons I don't bring a fake gun on school grounds, or a court room, or a god-damn airplane.

BTW the title of this thread should be "Man Arrested for being a douche bag on a plane"

 

[Cronus6]

Lastly, there has been talk within Government on an outright ban ..

Your points are well taken

[There has also been talk of bringing the troops home... and a manned mission to Mars in the Government. Neither is likely to happen (sadly). The Government does a LOT of "talking", because it's far easier than actually "doing".]

 

[Uncle Willie]

How many of us used to say, "If cigs ever rose to $3 a pack, I'm quitting", then later say, "If cigs ever rose to $4 a pack, I'm done with this!". Even in the cheaper states, cigs are now $6+ a pack, and there's lots of smokers.

If they raise the tax by 25%, then maybe 15% of people quit for a few days. 2% might actually quit for good because of the cost. This means that the total taxes that come in are still higher than they were previously.

You are reading something into my post .. and then paraphrasing .. my post is illustrating that if the Government wanted more money thru cig taxes, they would lower the tax and promote .. Cigarette tax increases do reduce smoking rates. So, essentially, the higher the tax, the more Government is pricing themselves out of the cig tax collection business, because the end game is lowering the consumption rate .. combined with a public awareness campaign that is heading toward drastic graphic representations on all packs .. these are not the actions of a Government that wants or needs the money ..

 

[Puffadder]

You are reading something into my post .. and then paraphrasing .. my post is illustrating that if the Government wanted more money thru cig taxes, they would lower the tax and promote .. Cigarette tax increases do reduce smoking rates. So, essentially, the higher the tax, the more Government is pricing themselves out of the cig tax collection business, because the end game is lowering the consumption rate .. combined with a public awareness campaign that is heading toward drastic graphic representations on all packs .. these are not the actions of a Government that wants or needs the money ..

Ok let's try without paraphrasing. Lowering the tax and promoting would never happen no matter how much revenue because the anti's would have that politicians head and career on a platter. Most of the politicians don't care a lick about the govt. or the people. They vote on what gets them re-elected and lines their own pockets.

As far as the rest - the increase in a products cost is not a direct correlation to a reduction in demand and this is especially true where addicts are concerned and face it we are all addicts re: nicotine. As another example take fossil fuels. In the same time period that gas prices have double, the oil companies profits have tripled. Why? Because the developed world is addicted to fossil fuels. And yes many of us have taken steps to reduce the amount of fossil fuels we use but it hasn't affected the bottom line of big oil in the slightest. Otherwise they would have increased production to lower costs and increase consumption for more profit.

 

[dragonladee]

Unfortunately there is the niggling problem of addiction. The number of people who will be able to quit because the price went up is probably not going to lower the consumption rate all that much. I have read statistics about the number of people who INTEND to quit going up significantly every time they raise taxes (ie people buying patches, calling quit hotlines, etc), but I have yet to see any numbers suggesting that the number of people who ACTUALLY quit as a direct result is substantial. I didn't quit because of taxes, I was addicted and had no choice but to absorb the additional cost.

Sorry, but if they don't want or need the money....then what are they doing with it? We are talking about copious amounts of money here and it isn't funneled to charities because they don't want it. Awareness my eye. It is claimed that they do it to absorb some of the costs of healthcare for smokers, but the majority of people who die from cigarette related illness do so before retirement age and medicare eligibility....and Uncle Sam has never covered any of my healthcare costs. IMO yes there are costs associated with healthcare that do end up covered by government but I believe these taxes are also about covering their behinds when they've overspent budgets that have nothing to do with tobacco.

They can have that mess anyway, thank goodness I have no plans to pick up another cigarette. I wish the media wouldn't associate this man's arrest with vaping. He wasn't arrested for using an e-cig, he was arrested for being belligerent with staff on an airplane-which everyone knows will now land you in trouble as it is considered a security issue. Anyone with any habit or none at all can act like that, it happens all the time and doesn't make headlines.