Alameda CA about to bring smoking & vaping bans to a new level

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I spoke to Councilwoman Tam a few minutes ago. There are only 3 City Council members, and she wasn't aware that e-cigarettes were included. I explained what e-cigarettes were and cautioned her that a ban on e-cigarettes in people's homes would likely not withstand judicial scrutiny.

This is a first reading of the Ordinance. I contacted Tasty Vapor, Vapor Den, and DigitalCiggz about getting people out there. Tasty Vapor has posted a notice on its Facebook page.
 

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This is all because of stupid people who do not understand that vaping is not harmful to anyone.. I cannot fathom the idea that this "dumbing down" of America has lead to this... It was bad enough that the FDA wants to kill e-ciggies simply because they will not receive their "donations" from the pharma and tobacco lobbyists, but enough is enough..
 

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Done.

Frankly, most of these legislators have never even seen an e-cigarette in operation, and their knowledge is based on the mass media and the various "charities" (American Lung Association, American Heart Association, American Cancer Society, and Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids). I hope once they hear from vapers, they'll rethink what it is they think they know. :blink:
 

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I have also added this to CASAA's Facebook and Twitter - please share and retweet!! A lot of us have vaper friends and followers nation-wide, so even if you aren't in California, hopefully one of them IS.

My email:

Dear Sir/Madam,

Regarding "Ordinance to Amend the City of Alameda Municipal Code By Repealing Section 24-5 (Smoking Control) of Section XXXIV (Public Health) and By Adding Sections 24-11 (Smoking Prohibitions in Places Employment and Public Unenclosed Places), and 24-12 (Smoking Prohibitions in Multi-Unit Housinq), please remove "e-cigarettes" and any references to e-cigarette vapor or function from this proposed Ordinance.

The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association has been working hard to encourage smokers who will not or cannot quit smoking traditional cigarettes to switch to a low-risk, smokeless alternative such as e-cigarettes. To ban the use of e-cigarettes removes a huge incentive for inveterate smokers to switch to these far less harmful alternatives. CASAA has found that smokers who are given the option to use the devices where smoking is prohibited, more frequently than not, will switch completely and quit smoking traditional cigarettes. Numerous doctors and health experts agree that, while more research needs to be done on e-cigarettes and quitting altogether is best, it is reasonable to say that smokeless alternatives, such as e-cigarettes, are far less hazardous than smoking for those who cannot or will not quit. It is far better for public health to have a smoker using a low-risk e-cigarette in her or his home or workplace, rather than going out into the street to smoke a cigarette. It is also more reasonable for residents of nursing homes to remain indoors, rather than exposing their already compromised and fragile health to the cold and rain.

A concern about secondhand smoke per the proposed Ordinance states:
"Secondhand smoke in multi-unit housing poses health problems for non-smoking residents when it drifts from neighboring units , balconies , and outdoor spaces. The Surgeon General has determined that the dangers from secondhand smoke cannot be controlled by ventilation , air cleaning, or the separation of smokers from non-smokers.

Several studies have concluded that smoking in multi-unit housing also contributes to higher maintenance and insurance costs. Many cities in California have begun to address the health dangers and additional costs related to secondhand smoke by implementing secondhand smoke housing policies."

E-cigarettes do NOT produce noxious fumes nor do they pose a health hazard for bystanders. If not for the quickly dissipating, visible puff of vapor, most bystanders would not even notice an e-cigarette in use, as the vapor does not linger and there is rarely any noticeable scent. While the FDA did announce that it found minute levels of a potentially toxic chemical and traces carcinogens in one of the e-cigarettes it tested, its testing also showed that the amounts found were so minute that they were NOT at levels considered dangerous and were also not found in the vapor itself. Additionally, in the years since the 2009 FDA test, several independent studies have not detected harmful levels of any chemicals or carcinogens in e-cigarette vapor. (See: CASAA | The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-Free Alternatives Association for links to these studies.) Unlike smoke, the vapor dissipates quickly, without leaving any smokey odor or residue and does not travel great distances. Because of this, enforcement of a ban on e-cigarette use would be nearly impossible, as there would be no evidence to prove use. Rather than risking eviction or fines by breaking the ordinance or further endangering their health by continuing to smoke outside, smoking residents and employees should be ENCOURAGED to use a smokeless alternative such as e-cigarettes, as they are a perfect solution to the concern over secondhand smoke and public health.

Again, I encourage you to strongly consider how including e-cigarettes in this ordinance as "smoking" could actually have a negative impact on public health by prohibiting a low-risk, smokeless option as an alternative to smoking and removing a strong incentive for smokers to quit smoking traditional cigarettes altogether.

Please contact me if you have any questions or concerns.

Sincerely,
Kristin Noll-Marsh
 

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Kristin,

Since you took the time to write an informative email and present our case so eloquently, can I resend your email along with my comments to the city of Alemeda?

I have also added this to CASAA's Facebook and Twitter - please share and retweet!! A lot of us have vaper friends and followers nation-wide, so even if you aren't in California, hopefully one of them IS.

My email:…
 

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Maybe it would also be good for people to point out how the Seattle Housing Authority has recently reconsidered its position on e-cigarettes and will NOT include e-cigarettes in its smoking ban.

The Executive Director, Tom Tierney, stated:
Electronic cigarettes are battery-powered devices that deliver a vapor consisting of flavor, nicotine, and other chemicals but no tobacco. They do not leave a residual odor, they do not produce smoke that irritates workers or other tenants, they do not produce smoke and are not continuously burning, and they do not heat up to a temperature that could cause a fire.

Although use of electronic cigarettes may lead to challenges during enforcement, the proposed Non-Smoking Policy is not a ban on smokers or on all tobacco products. In fact, many smokers use the e-cigarette as a tobacco cessation tool in an effort to quit tobacco use and improve lifestyles.

Being a fairly novel invention, the electronic cigarette has not been addressed in the Housing Authority’s existing Non-Smoking Policies. The Agency will favor consistency across all Non-Smoking Policies, and staff will recommend that we allow the use of electronic cigarettes in the proposed policy for all housing developments.
 

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I let the owner of Tasty Vapor know about Seattle last night.

I don't see removing e-cigarettes from the housing ban being an issue, in light of the fact that its legality is questionable. It's the indoor workplace / outdoor public places bans that are going to require effort.

What we need is an eager-beaver lawyer anxious to make a name for him/herself to bring a class action suit against a government body that makes former smokers go into the smoking zone to use their smoke-free product. All we need is one win, and the rest of the country will have to fall in line. There is just something so wrong about that!
 

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I just sent this email;

Dear Sir/Madam,

I'm a proud member of the group CASAA, I've attached, and stand behind the email (below) that was sent to you earlier by Kristin Noll-Marsh, who is the Vice President of our group.

I personally switched to e-cigarettes on March 29, 2010 (my daughter's 8th birthday). I'd been smoking analog cigarettes since I was 14, I'm now 48. .I'd gotten to the point that I was smoking a pack a day. I'd tried other means of quitting; the gum, the patch, cold turkey, and hypnosis, nothing worked.

One day, a couple weeks before my daughters birthday, I walked into a smoke shop here in west San Jose, CA to pick up a carton of smokes, and as I was opening the door I noticed a small sign I hadn't seen before. It simply stated, “Ask us about our new Electronic Cigarette." So I did just that, and the store owner explained what it was, and how it worked. I asked quite a few question, i.e., "Would it help me to stop smoking? His response was, "It's not meant to, it's meant to be a safer alternative." That's what sold me, SAFER! Within those two weeks, my daughter asked me again, "Will you quit 'smoking' as a gift for my birthday?". She'd asked this multiple times before, but this time my response was different, "YES", I said. She had happy tears rolling down her checks as she repeatedly said "Thank You, Daddy!…Thank You!…Thank You!" Being a dad, I couldn't help but get emotional too..

Being able to say that to her, effected me on multiple levels. All of which are positives;.

Knowing that I'd been able to overcome something that has been a burden for 3/4 of my life
Not subjecting my friends and family to second-hand smoke anymore
Not smelling like cigarette smoke anymore
Being able to smell all the wonderful, and not so wonderful smells around me
Being able to taste the food that now smells even better
Being able to run/walk up a set of stairs and not be winded
Saving money (since quitting, 583 days ago, I've saved over $3,500.00)
Giving my daughter a kiss good-night and having her say, "You smell like wintergreen Lifesaver", then giggling

In closing, please remove any and all references to e-cigarettes before ruling on these Ordinances!.

Thank you in advance for your time and devotion to completely understanding the Ordinance before you rule on it.
 

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I now you're not a lawyer Elaine, but have you ever stayed at a Holiday Inn Express?

I just can't help myself, Jim. I worked my way through college at a temp agency called "Le-Gals". My assignments were usually for a week or two, filling in for legal secretaries on vacation. I got to see a wide range of law practices ranging from personal injury (PI) cases to public law (writing the text that goes into municipal and state bonds.) Although criminal law looks the most exciting on TV, none of my assignments were for defenders of felons and misdemeanants.

I'm pretty sure that law offices were the first profession to make use of word processing, because so much of the text is redundant. I used to actually write subpoenas, pleadings, etc., just by taking the "boiler plate" text and filling in the information from the current case.

Another good reason for word processing is that erasures and corrections are not permitted in legal filings. Before WP, there were millions of trees killed by typographical errors.

Trivia Question: Anybody know what MTST stands for in the very early word-processing years?
 
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