All new: The Precise Simplicity 14500 from Super-T Manufacturing Inc!

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oplholik

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Anyone using their simplicity with the efest imr's? I have a couple of em for my Alpha already and I see that the AW IMRs are out of stock at the moment.

I have one efest 14500, and it's too long to allow the top cap to screw down all the way. My efest is a button top, possibly a flat top will work?
 

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Anyone using their simplicity with the efest imr's? I have a couple of em for my Alpha already and I see that the AW IMRs are out of stock at the moment.

Can you remove one of the orings (two come preinstalled) and switch to the shorter switch Post included with you mod? Also, try the shorter post with the thicker oring included in your parts bag.
 

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Aww the simplicity and the AGT picture says error.

Btw I've been looking sooooooooo hard for a 16340! No ones selling/trade

'imo messenger' only keeps pics for 24hrs. here's the same pic again:

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there is a gap between the top cap of the Simplicity and the base of the AGT tho.... about 1mm.
 

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I bumped this for BrightLight



EDIT: If you're so hellbent on XYZ protections.... then why on earth would you purchase a mechanical mod? And on top of that, why would you purchase a mechanical mod that is smaller in diameter than a Kick? You're stirring a pot that has been simmered for some time now.

I’m not certain why you re-posted forcedfuel50’s earlier response, but if it was to further illustrate that a venting battery in an enclosed tube can lead to tremendously high temperatures and pressures, then that’s a good point.

PSI stands for pounds (force) per square inch. So, now imagine 5000+ pounds of force on a square inch of the tube, pushing from the inside of the tube, outwards. Now also imagine that the structural integrity of the tube is further comprised by high temperatures. What do you think that the result will be?

The key word here is “enclosed”. Proper vent holes make it such that the tube is no longer enclosed. So, if a battery starts venting, the gases should escape through the tube’s vent holes, relieving the internal pressure of the tube, such that the internal pressure shouldn’t build up too much.

The closer the internal pressure of the tube is to the ambient atmospheric pressure, the less likely that there will be metal fragments flying from the tube at high velocities.
 

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Proper vent holes make it such that the tube is no longer enclosed.

Thank you for bringing up what Super-T has always been at the forefront of: Safety. Super-T Manufacturing pioneered Venting in mods and was the first ever company to incorporate venting into a mod over four years ago in the original T-1.

Super-T also incorporates other unseen safety venting techniques that aren't obvious at first glance but are a product of their design. Such is the case in the Precise ELA, with a non threaded extension tube, the entire mod can expand apart without fragmenting and on the Simplicity, we employed a shear bolt design so that the entire button can shear away to release excess pressure.

Super-T will always strive to make some of the most reliable, well built and safest mods possible.

Did you get a chance to send your unit back in yet? Also, if you could shoot me your order number or name to the following email, we'll pull your order and arrange to get you taken care of as soon as possible: supertmanufacturing@yahoo.com
 
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BrightLight, are you under the impression that the Simplicity does not have vent holes? The vents are hidden within the bottom button. As David mentioned in a previous post, in the unfortunate event of battery failure, the high pressures would blow the o-ring, and the gasses would be vented through these openings. No one here is faulting you for wanting to be as safe as possible, but it is coming across as though you feel like David is not concerned with safety....and that couldn't be further from the truth.
 

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You know what.... you're right. Why don't you make some mods so I can buy them from you, and they'll be the BEST!! You really seem to have this down to a science.

I’m not certain why you re-posted forcedfuel50’s earlier response, but if it was to further illustrate that a venting battery in an enclosed tube can lead to tremendously high temperatures and pressures, then that’s a good point.

PSI stands for pounds (force) per square inch. So, now imagine 5000+ pounds of force on a square inch of the tube, pushing from the inside of the tube, outwards. Now also imagine that the structural integrity of the tube is further comprised by high temperatures. What do you think that the result will be?

The key word here is “enclosed”. Proper vent holes make it such that the tube is no longer enclosed. So, if a battery starts venting, the gases should escape through the tube’s vent holes, relieving the internal pressure of the tube, such that the internal pressure shouldn’t build up too much.

The closer the internal pressure of the tube is to the ambient atmospheric pressure, the less likely that there will be metal fragments flying from the tube at high velocities.
 

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I bumped this for BrightLight



EDIT: If you're so hellbent on XYZ protections.... then why on earth would you purchase a mechanical mod? And on top of that, why would you purchase a mechanical mod that is smaller in diameter than a Kick? You're stirring a pot that has been simmered for some time now.

Why did I buy the Simplicity? There are a number of reasons. Here are some:

-I wanted something smaller than my ProVari, but larger than my cig-a-likes; I reasoned that the more choices that I have for different situations, the less likely that I’d want to smoke real cigarettes
-I liked the looks of the device
-It’s American made; amongst other reasons, I like the idea of supporting local (North American) jobs
-Super-T appeared to have a good reputation for build quality and customer service
-It was reasonably priced
-At the time of purchase, I thought that the protected batteries could be safely used with some of my cartos, clearos, etc., so that I could have features like over discharge protection; it wasn’t until after I purchased it, that I did the calculations and realized that anything under 4 Ohms would be operating out of the specs of that battery
-At the time of purchase, the descriptions and pictures made it appear like the device had adequate venting; it wasn’t until after I bought it that Birks posted his airflow test results, and I couldn’t verify those results first-hand, until after I got it in my hands

As for being “hellbent” on safety features, I’m actually more concerned about other users’ safety than my own. I generally tend to do a lot of research for the things that I buy, much more than I believe it to be reasonable to expect from other people.

So, for myself, I can check the voltages of the batteries after charging (to check for over voltage), periodically check the voltages after use (to monitor for over discharge), check the resistances of my attachments (to check for things like shorts), etc. A lot of the things that my ProVari does, I can do manually on the Simplicity, but I don’t expect all other users to behave like me.

So for me, the Kick/Crown is more of a “nice to have”, but for other users it may be a lot closer to a “must have”.

That is, of course, assuming that there’s adequate ventilation in the tube, since it’s a lot harder to mitigate the risks involved with that, without physically altering the device.
 

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Thank you for bringing up what Super-T has always been at the forefront of: Safety. Super-T Manufacturing pioneered Venting in mods and was the first ever company to incorporate venting into a mod over four years ago in the original T-1.

Super-T also incorporates other unseen safety venting techniques that aren't obvious at first glance but are a product of their design. Such is the case in the Precise ELA, with a non threaded extension tube, the entire mod can expand apart without fragmenting and on the Simplicity, we employed a shear bolt design so that the entire button can shear away to release excess pressure.

Super-T will always strive to make some of the most reliable, well built and safest mods possible.

Did you get a chance to send your unit back in yet? Also, if you could shoot me your order number or name to the following email, we'll pull your order and arrange to get you taken care of as soon as possible: supertmanufacturing@yahoo.com

I haven’t had a chance to ship it back yet, but hopefully I’ll find the time to do so sometime this week. Thanks for your help, it’s very much appreciated.
 

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I haven’t had a chance to ship it back yet, but hopefully I’ll find the time to do so sometime this week. Thanks for your help, it’s very much appreciated.

Oops, probably just an oversight, but what was your order number or name? You can reply to: supertmanufacturing@yahoo.com
 

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BrightLight, are you under the impression that the Simplicity does not have vent holes? The vents are hidden within the bottom button. As David mentioned in a previous post, in the unfortunate event of battery failure, the high pressures would blow the o-ring, and the gasses would be vented through these openings. No one here is faulting you for wanting to be as safe as possible, but it is coming across as though you feel like David is not concerned with safety....and that couldn't be further from the truth.

I would much rather not have to wait until the internal temperature and pressure get high enough to destroy the o-ring, before the device starts venting. Moreover, from what I’ve seen, if the locking ring is engaged, then the venting will still be blocked, even if the o-ring is destroyed.

So, in that configuration, the internal temperature and pressure would have to get high enough to cause catastrophic failure to the next weakest component, before there can be any pressure relief. If the temperatures and pressures are high enough, then that component will go shooting off of the device at high velocity.

I actually do believe that David is concerned with safety. I don’t know him personally, so I don’t really have an opinion about his integrity. But, even if he didn’t care about other people’s safety, there’s still incentive for him to create safe products.

Even if he’s completely selfish, he’s still probably intelligent enough to realize that people getting harmed by using his products won’t be good for business. He also probably realizes that he’s doing business in a country where someone sued McDonald’s and won, because they didn’t put “Caution: Hot” on their coffee cups. So, I actually do believe that David is concerned with safety.

At this point, I’m actually more concerned about other people getting harmed than I am about getting better venting on my device.

A blind and deaf man walking through a battlefield is much more likely to get harmed than someone with good vision and hearing. Why? Someone with good vision and hearing will know that walking can pose significant risks, so he’ll be much more likely to take more precautions.

So, the way that I see it, the more people that learn truthful information about the risks involved with using lithium batteries, the less likely it is that people will get harmed. So, maybe by us discussing safety on this forum, no one will get harmed by using the Simplicity, which is good for both Super-T and its customers.
 
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Can you remove one of the orings (two come preinstalled) and switch to the shorter switch Post included with you mod? Also, try the shorter post with the thicker oring included in your parts bag.

I'd be curious if this cures the issue. Just ordered the Simplicity and only have Efests. Perhaps an AW purchase is in order?
 

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So for me, the Kick/Crown is more of a “nice to have”, but for other users it may be a lot closer to a “must have”.

I dont know about you but Im loving this Crown... 3 1/2 days now with 0 misfires. Sweet, I can now have my cake and eat it too!
Cosistant vape from the first hit to the last is what I like:vapor:
 
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