That's exactly why I'm interested in using those! (nice touch from Dave to use those
that and I have nothing to build, I wonder if there are attys with a gold or brass accent to match the Simplicity?!All new: The Precise Simplicity 14500 from Super-T Manufacturing Inc!
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That's exactly why I'm interested in using those! (nice touch from Dave to use those
that and I have nothing to build, I wonder if there are attys with a gold or brass accent to match the Simplicity?!I received my Simplicity in the mail today. In terms of aesthetics and size, its pretty much exactly what I was looking for.
Unfortunately, however, I could replicate the air flow being blocked when the locking ring is engaged. This is a SERIOUS design flaw, in that a failed battery in that configuration can cause extreme harm.
This should be relatively simple to fix; drilling one more holes in the side wall should work. I normally highly value aesthetics, but if it has to be a choice between looks and safety, then better safety is the obvious choice. Perhaps Super-T can come up with a more elegant solution.
I personally dont plan on using this device until this serious safety issue is resolved.
If people still do want to use the Simplicity in its current state, I have some recommendations. First, I would recommend NOT locking the device with a battery in it. Carrying this device unlocked in your pocket (or purse, etc.) with a battery installed also has serious risks, so Id recommend carrying the battery separately, in a non-conductive container.
Then, every time that you want to use the Simplicity, you can place the battery inside, making sure that its not locked. This is assuming that youve already cut a piece out of the o-ring, and tested the air flow with a battery in it. I havent cut it, so Im not sure how well that works.
If youre thinking that you spent a lot of money on this and are thus willing to take the risk, then Id suggest that you do some research on how much damage a failed lithium based battery can do, especially when enclosed in a sealed steel tube.
I spent more than $125 on this ($25 shipping to Canada + exchange rate). But to me, that kind of money is nowhere near worth constantly putting myself in situations where there are significant risks of getting maimed or killed.
I wish that I had better news to report. Hopefully Super-T will remedy this, in a manner that lives up to their reputation as a company that has excellent customer service.
Please vape safely everyone!
Unfortunately, however, I could replicate the air flow being blocked when the locking ring is engaged. This is a SERIOUS design flaw, in that a failed battery in that configuration can cause extreme harm.
This should be relatively simple to fix; drilling one more holes in the side wall should work. I normally highly value aesthetics, but if it has to be a choice between looks and safety, then better safety is the obvious choice. Perhaps Super-T can come up with a more elegant solution.
I personally dont plan on using this device until this serious safety issue is resolved.
If people still do want to use the Simplicity in its current state, I have some recommendations. First, I would recommend NOT locking the device with a battery in it. Carrying this device unlocked in your pocket (or purse, etc.) with a battery installed also has serious risks, so Id recommend carrying the battery separately, in a non-conductive container.
Then, every time that you want to use the Simplicity, you can place the battery inside, making sure that its not locked. This is assuming that youve already cut a piece out of the o-ring, and tested the air flow with a battery in it. I havent cut it, so Im not sure how well that works.
If youre thinking that you spent a lot of money on this and are thus willing to take the risk, then Id suggest that you do some research on how much damage a failed lithium based battery can do, especially when enclosed in a sealed steel tube.
I spent more than $125 on this ($25 shipping to Canada + exchange rate). But to me, that kind of money is nowhere near worth constantly putting myself in situations where there are significant risks of getting maimed or killed.
I wish that I had better news to report. Hopefully Super-T will remedy this, in a manner that lives up to their reputation as a company that has excellent customer service.
Please vape safely everyone!
Issue was remedied when it was designed and we wish you would have inquired before making unfounded safety claims. The bottom switch post has been back cut significantly to make it a shear bolt and thus a pressure relief valve. The concept is used in many items where high pressures could accumulate. This will allow the button to pop off should a battery vent, which FYI, no Super T mod has ever had a battery failure in it, furthermore, i'm unaware of any AW battery (protected or IMR) ever having a failure and third, i'm unaware of any mod having ever failed while locked and thus the power circuit disconnected and just to be safe, we designed the shear bolt.
That being said, if you would like even further peace of mind, we can still add additional venting to your mod, no charge.
Please send to:
Super T
Box 331
Sauk Rapids, MN 56379
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BrightLight, I believe you are over thinking this a bit too much. Just enjoy your mod with confidence. 
The Simplicity appears to be very sturdy. Now, this is great for durability, but it’s really bad for pressure relief. It looks to me that it would take a great deal of internal pressure to shear the bottom button off, much more pressure than I’d want in my pants pocket or near my face.
As for the AW batteries, the last time that I checked, you were sold out of the safer chemistry (IMR) batteries, the ones that shouldn’t vent with flames. If you’re not selling the batteries to your customers, then how can you be certain that the vendors, who they buy their batteries from, don’t sell counterfeit batteries?
Even if your customers are only buying their batteries from reputable dealers, all it takes is a single dishonest person, somewhere in the supply chain, to let some counterfeits slip through.
Moreover, it’s possible for bad genuine AW batteries to slip through AW’s quality control process; people can make mistakes. It’s also possible that genuine batteries that were good when they were tested, get damaged later on, e.g. during shipment they could be exposed to extreme temperatures, forces, etc.
Furthermore, some of your customers may not be well educated in safely using lithium batteries, so they could unknowingly push them too hard, use the wrong (or failed) charger, etc. and cause genuine AW batteries to fail.
Also, the average consumer may not understand the potential benefits of choosing a reputable brand of lithium batteries, so they may choose to cheap out and buy an unreliable brand.
That’s one of the reasons why I suggested that you create a Simplicity specific Kiklet, if possible. The average consumer may not want to spend too much time and effort learning about how to use lithium batteries in the safest possible way. They might not even know that it’s a really good idea to do so.
Also, some people may be well educated in battery safety, but they may not want to spend the extra time and effort to ensure that they’re using their batteries safely. So, for those types of situations, people could just buy the Kiklet + the Kick, which should help guard against some of the more common modes of failure.
Long story short: there’s no guarantee that all of your customers will only use genuine AW batteries, and it’s possible for genuine AW batteries to fail. So one question that should be asked is: How can we minimize the harm done if a battery does fail? My previous post was in answer to that question. One of the simple things that can be done is to provide adequate ventilation in the device.
Thanks for your very quick response. And yes please, I’d love to get additional ventilation in my Simplicity.
Thank-you very much for your help, it’s very much appreciated.
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Sorry random Internet person who just signed up to the forum and then proceeded to write paragraph upon paragraph about how dangerous and life-threatening this product is - I trust Super-T's expertise and knowledge more than yours.
I can't tell if you're a troll, but it sure seems like it.
I can't tell if you're a troll, but it sure seems like it.
Nah, it was sincere but a little misguided. Historically David is Mr. Safety.
I also question the wisdom of cutting the o-ring. It's an important part of the safety in any Super-T.
If you think that Im wrong, then please let me know what statements that you disagree with, and tell me why you believe those statements are wrong. I didnt claim to be infallible. You could help to educate people if you find any errors in my statements.
Id suggest that you do your own research, preferably information from experts in battery chemistry/safety.
Oh and please also do some independent research on how much damage a highly pressurized steel tube can do. Or maybe not, if you dont want the NSA to black list you.
In case you dont want to Google it, here are a couple of links:
Basic to Advanced Battery Information from Battery University
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/129569-rechargeable-batteries.html
The ECF document is a long one, so Ill try to save you some time. Near the top of the document, in red letters it says:
The highest risk of all is the use of two batteries in a metal tube APV that appears to be sealed. This is partly because you do not know what those batteries are, as counterfeiting is so widespread now. IT IS WHY METAL TUBEMODS MUST HAVE OBVIOUS SAFETY FEATURES SUCH AS VERY LARGE GAS VENTS. Assume that your two batteries are cheap reject (faulty) unprotected Li-ion cells - BECAUSE THEY COULD VERY WELL BE, no matter what it says on the label.
And slightly below that is says:
METAL TUBEMODS NEED LARGE GAS VENT HOLES.
DON'T BUY AN APV WITHOUT THESE FEATURES AS YOU MAY BE INCREASING YOUR RISK SUBSTANTIALLY.
Please vape safely everyone!
thank you for the info bright. i also am very fond of safety. that is why i don't stack batteries, i keep batteries in a plastic case and make sure the contacts aren't touching other batteries, i inspect the wraps of batteries to make sure the metal isn't exposed, i only use AW IMRs in my mods, i take out batteries if i'm not using a mod for a long period, i rest my batteries after charging them (that's why i have at least 4 of each sizes so i don't use a freshly charged battery), and i use the xtar vp1 charger (http://www.supertmanufacturing.com/images/sitebuilderpictures/IMAG0904.jpg ... it's expensive but you can't put a price on safety. oh and it's awesome!)
i'm not really paranoid but it's cool that the links you provided basically told me that i've been doing everything right from the get go. i know i'm not the only one who is meticulous(?) about these things, and take vape-safety seriously.
at this point, if one is heavily invested in mech mods, i would think that they've done the proper research to avoid/minimize accidents. it's cool that david will add more vent holes for you so you can finally enjoy the Simplicity. i mean i love mine and i'm sure you will too!
i'm not really paranoid but it's cool that the links you provided basically told me that i've been doing everything right from the get go. i know i'm not the only one who is meticulous(?) about these things, and take vape-safety seriously.
at this point, if one is heavily invested in mech mods, i would think that they've done the proper research to avoid/minimize accidents. it's cool that david will add more vent holes for you so you can finally enjoy the Simplicity. i mean i love mine and i'm sure you will too!
You're absolutely correct with your attitude about personal safety, BrightLight. I wrote "misguided" not in reference to that. There is a time and a place and a way for everything. ECF is not infallible, nor is David, me or you.
Hyperbole is nothing unless you throw in a little bathos.
Hyperbole is nothing unless you throw in a little bathos.
I bumped this for BrightLight
EDIT: If you're so hellbent on XYZ protections.... then why on earth would you purchase a mechanical mod? And on top of that, why would you purchase a mechanical mod that is smaller in diameter than a Kick? You're stirring a pot that has been simmered for some time now.
EDIT: If you're so hellbent on XYZ protections.... then why on earth would you purchase a mechanical mod? And on top of that, why would you purchase a mechanical mod that is smaller in diameter than a Kick? You're stirring a pot that has been simmered for some time now.
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it's def wider. i just took this pic (AGT is paired with P+16 which has a diameter of 18mm. AGA-S is on the Simplicity and it's a PERFECT fit!).
btw i have them running on micro coils. it's really good imo.
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here's a pic of the AGT on the Simplicity (there is a slight gap on mine since the post on the Simplicity is the original height... i guess it doesn't look that much wider, but i def recommend AGA-S if you want that 'solid' look. unfortunately, due to the weight of the AGA-S, Simplicity WILL fire standing up if it's not locked):
https://imo.im/fd/G/4nu1oamo6c/20130624031936.JPG
Aww the simplicity and the AGT picture says error.
Btw I've been looking sooooooooo hard for a 16340! No ones selling/trade
Guys I just received simplicity. Question: it says in the paper that there is an additional post that comes with it. But i didn't receive any. Maybe it was removed and i missed it in the thread? I received a bunch of o-rings like a million 
. Plus what do the metal o-rings do? I received like 3. Looks too sexy btw. Can't wait to try it out.
. Plus what do the metal o-rings do? I received like 3. Looks too sexy btw. Can't wait to try it out.
Guys I just received simplicity. Question: it says in the paper that there is an additional post that comes with it. But i didn't receive any. Maybe it was removed and i missed it in the thread? I received a bunch of o-rings like a million
Sounds like you have an ELA? There are no steel washers though, do you have a picture of what parts you did get with it?
Im running my ELA Crowned with an AW IMR 18490.... I would love an accent ring that would fully cover the gap... But then David would have to make to many accent ring sizes for every configuration..... Nach do you own a Crown? Way better than a Kick-no misfires.........
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Nah, no interest in a Crown. I don't even use my Kick's anymore. I actually pulled out a Kick last night and put on an old school 3.0 atty.... it was a disappointing vape to say the least lol.
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