Alpha UltraMax 6v winning

[Stownz]

New attys came in today, and all I can say is wow. Actually I can say a lot more, but I'm pretty sure the language I can come up with would get me banned.

I'm in the testing phases for the umax dual voltage kit. I'm comparing it to the GGTS +UFS most importantly. I purchased the alpha because of the RES, thats what makes it special in my huge collection of mods. On arrival, the 1.5 ohm attys burned juice to bad, and the 2.5s burned at 6v. I have used 2.0 ohms in the UFS for about 3 months now, so had a few on hand to test the 3.7 volt operation of the RES. I wanted to see if it would wick fast enough for a heavy vapor like me. Thats always the question for these tank systems right? We have all been burned by the Ego T, Failomizers, Failomizers + MAP, Failomizers + syringe tube mods, FOG, ect.. ect.. Only the UFS would feed an atty, and it took me 2 weeks to even get it to work right. Its stupid expensive, and really tough to use effectively, so I ordered the alpha. It was ok, just going through the motions, until today...

3.5 ohm Iken attys came in, 306 and 510. Also some 2.0 ohm 306 and 510. I cleaned the HV 306 and plugged it into the RES, and HOLY &^%. Now here is a bad ... mod, bar none. All experienced vapors have tried the legendary 306s, but they are only great for dripping. No tank system uses them, and the 306 cartos are not the same. You have to drip, that was your only option, until now !!! Now we have a RES system, 2ml size on my ulta, that can feed even the juice hungry 306. I'm a power vapor, was 3 packs a day mechanic before I started vaping. My drip tips are all metal, because I really hit this thing, constantly, just like I used to when smoking. I always had a cig in my mouth, and now I always am vaping. I'm trying to starve this RES out, surely it has its limits in wicking speed. NOPE. The harder I vape, the more juice feeds in. Really revolutionary.

If anyone is looking to try 6v vaping on the umax, plz plz plz don't judge it performance by those 2.5 joyes. I don't care who you source some 3.0+ ohm 306s from, but you gotta try this. Same performance as dripping, but you don't have to constantly drip, the RES will feed it.

Now, soon as I figure out what lube will get my sliding part of my switch working, I'll do the rest of my review. Trans assembly lube is helping a bunch, but I gotta find better.

306 tank system ftw !!!!

 

[SleepHater]

New attys came in today, and all I can say is wow. Actually I can say a lot more, but I'm pretty sure the language I can come up with would get me banned.

I'm in the testing phases for the umax dual voltage kit. I'm comparing it to the GGTS +UFS most importantly. I purchased the alpha because of the RES, thats what makes it special in my huge collection of mods. On arrival, the 1.5 ohm attys burned juice to bad, and the 2.5s burned at 6v. I have used 2.0 ohms in the UFS for about 3 months now, so had a few on hand to test the 3.7 volt operation of the RES. I wanted to see if it would wick fast enough for a heavy vapor like me. Thats always the question for these tank systems right? We have all been burned by the Ego T, Failomizers, Failomizers + MAP, Failomizers + syringe tube mods, FOG, ect.. ect.. Only the UFS would feed an atty, and it took me 2 weeks to even get it to work right. Its stupid expensive, and really tough to use effectively, so I ordered the alpha. It was ok, just going through the motions, until today...

3.5 ohm Iken attys came in, 306 and 510. Also some 2.0 ohm 306 and 510. I cleaned the HV 306 and plugged it into the RES, and HOLY &^%. Now here is a bad ... mod, bar none. All experienced vapors have tried the legendary 306s, but they are only great for dripping. No tank system uses them, and the 306 cartos are not the same. You have to drip, that was your only option, until now !!! Now we have a RES system, 2ml size on my ulta, that can feed even the juice hungry 306. I'm a power vapor, was 3 packs a day mechanic before I started vaping. My drip tips are all metal, because I really hit this thing, constantly, just like I used to when smoking. I always had a cig in my mouth, and now I always am Vaping. I'm trying to starve this RES out, surely it has its limits in wicking speed. NOPE. The harder I vape, the more juice feeds in. Really revolutionary.

If anyone is looking to try 6v vaping on the umax, plz plz plz don't judge it performance by those 2.5 joyes. I don't care who you source some 3.0+ ohm 306s from, but you gotta try this. Same performance as dripping, but you don't have to constantly drip, the RES will feed it.

Now, soon as I figure out what lube will get my sliding part of my switch working, I'll do the rest of my review. Trans assembly lube is helping a bunch, but I gotta find better.

306 tank system ftw !!!!

All right. Sounds like I gotta get some HV attys to bundle with the UltraMax! Great info, I'm working on it. Glad you are digging the UltraMax, it really is the beauty of forcing the airflow through the ceramic... simple but effective.

So if I were going to restructure the atomizers I ship with the Alpha kits, what would be your general recommendation?

Thanks!
SH

 

[Stownz]

2.0 ohm for 3.7. This will keep the burn from a fresh charged battery.
3.2-3.5 ohm for 6v.

China went with 2.5-2.8 to be on the safe side. Not only does that burn taste annoy ecig users, but it cuts the life down on attys and cartos. We all want that vapor/TH/flavor increase from mega LR, but the difference between 1.5s and 2.0s is not worth the risk. Also stepping up a tad to 2.0, will cut down your warranties on atties because people think they are defective when actually they are not. 2.0 is still technically LR, you get a nice bump in performance.

6v vaping is a tad bit different. You have a greater surface area to vaporize juice on (more coil wraps). This makes them less prone to burning light juices, but it still can and will happen. If you really want to keep that super mega vape cloud/TH/mass flavor experience, 3.2-3.5 is the cuttoff point. You have more room for variance at higher ohms, so not so critical to cut it as close as you need to on the 3.7v+LR.

510 is the most popular thread on the market, but not many people know that most 306s will thread 510 also. Great surprise for people that have never used them before.

Joye has a great reputation in the business, but there are other manufacturers that will work with you much better then joye does. Joye just ships you whatever, whenever, and they do as they please. Other manufacturers like smoktech and bauway and boge will not only sell you what you want, but be quite accomidating as well. Smoktech name is gaining popularity because they produced the dual coil cartos first, so just comes to show you what the smaller companies can do.

 

[SleepHater]

2.0 ohm for 3.7. This will keep the burn from a fresh charged battery.
3.2-3.5 ohm for 6v.

China went with 2.5-2.8 to be on the safe side. Not only does that burn taste annoy ecig users, but it cuts the life down on attys and cartos. We all want that vapor/TH/flavor increase from mega LR, but the difference between 1.5s and 2.0s is not worth the risk. Also stepping up a tad to 2.0, will cut down your warranties on atties because people think they are defective when actually they are not. 2.0 is still technically LR, you get a nice bump in performance.

6v vaping is a tad bit different. You have a greater surface area to vaporize juice on (more coil wraps). This makes them less prone to burning light juices, but it still can and will happen. If you really want to keep that super mega vape cloud/TH/mass flavor experience, 3.2-3.5 is the cuttoff point. You have more room for variance at higher ohms, so not so critical to cut it as close as you need to on the 3.7v+LR.

510 is the most popular thread on the market, but not many people know that most 306s will thread 510 also. Great surprise for people that have never used them before.

Joye has a great reputation in the business, but there are other manufacturers that will work with you much better then joye does. Joye just ships you whatever, whenever, and they do as they please. Other manufacturers like smoktech and bauway and boge will not only sell you what you want, but be quite accomidating as well. Smoktech name is gaining popularity because they produced the dual coil cartos first, so just comes to show you what the smaller companies can do.

Thanks, that gives me a good foundation to work from. I'll be contacting some of the smaller companies, at least to beta test. I went with the Joye factory because back in the day it seemed easy to get hammered if the 510 compatible atty's we had were not genuine Joye... and I have heard the argument that Joye uses a higher grade (non-recycled nichrome) ... but who knows. Even if you walk through the factories in Shenzen... it is madness.

I appreciate the insight, I am a fan of the 306 myself and we do carry Joye LR and SR 306 atty's on the website. We have a virgin teflon (high temperauture PTFE FDA Approved plastic) 306 atomizer sleeve inproduction right know that will allow any 306 atty to be used with our Tru-Flo drip tip or any other 510 compatible drip tip for that matter. We knew that would never be a money maker but we like the 306 so we though it would expand the 306 market by making essentially identical in form and function (in terms of drip tip options) to the 510.

Thanks again,

SH

 

[Stownz]

I ordered some adapter sleeves from another vendor, but they will suit more of a purpose then just allowing 510 drip tips. My 306 drip tips are just a tad small it seems. When i try to fill the RES buy dripping, then blowing it into the RES, juice comes out around the tip. I'm not sure if everyone is filling the RES that way or not, but it is the easiest for me. Last two RES fills I just take the ceramic out and fill it right there.

The smaller manufacturers may not have the rep Joye does, but they allow you to make your own name. That is where "Iken" and "Cisco" stuff started, they got attys made to their specifications by smaller companies. Would be great to see the "Innovapor Omega" line of attys that are not just rebrands, but something custom made to your mods and your goals of offering the best product you can. I would volunteer to stress test them, should you ever feel the need 8)

 

[SleepHater]

I ordered some adapter sleeves from another vendor, but they will suit more of a purpose then just allowing 510 drip tips. My 306 drip tips are just a tad small it seems. When i try to fill the RES buy dripping, then blowing it into the RES, juice comes out around the tip. I'm not sure if everyone is filling the RES that way or not, but it is the easiest for me. Last two RES fills I just take the ceramic out and fill it right there.

The smaller manufacturers may not have the rep Joye does, but they allow you to make your own name. That is where "Iken" and "Cisco" stuff started, they got attys made to their specifications by smaller companies. Would be great to see the "Innovapor Omega" line of attys that are not just rebrands, but something custom made to your mods and your goals of offering the best product you can. I would volunteer to stress test them, should you ever feel the need 8)

Stay tuned... there will be NO rebranding ! There will be no "made to our specifications either" ! Something much, much better....

 

[AlDynamite]

You know, I'm using a 1.5 LR 510 right now and it doesn't seem bad at all. I get a very hot vape sometimes when I refill, but I add a few priming drops and the RES seems to pick up from there. But I am using a IMR 14500, but it's the same voltage so I don't think that matters.

 

[SleepHater]

You know, I'm using a 1.5 LR 510 right now and it doesn't seem bad at all. I get a very hot vape sometimes when I refill, but I add a few priming drops and the RES seems to pick up from there. But I am using a IMR 14500, but it's the same voltage so I don't think that matters.

I have also just been running the 1.5 LR with either a 14500 IMR in my Ultra or a 17670 pLi-ion on my UltraMax. Plus I have been digging my UltraMax with just a Joye SR as well. I have not been getting any burnt taste unless I need to refill my RES. But I am using ULTRApure which is 100% VG, plus I am all about the throat hit (probably the single most important factor to me, above flavor, vapor etc.). All in all I love the TH, flavor, and vapor with those battery atty combos.

I am sure the liquid plays a role in tuning the right voltage as well.

Cheers,

SH

 

[atavanhalen]

plus I am all about the throat hit (probably the single most important factor to me, above flavor, vapor etc.).

SH

I am exactly the same way, I need that kick in the throat and or chest more than anything else, and wanted to tell you, if you have not tried the dual coils yet then you really should, there are some quirks with them but if you are a th fiend then you will love them. I am amazed how awesome of a th/ chest hit I get with them.

Stay tuned... there will be NO rebranding ! There will be no "made to our specifications either" ! Something much, much better....

This post makes me really curious, what does that mean dang it!

 

[SleepHater]

I am exactly the same way, I need that kick in the throat and or chest more than anything else, and wanted to tell you, if you have not tried the dual coils yet then you really should, there are some quirks with them but if you are a th fiend then you will love them. I am amazed how awesome of a th/ chest hit I get with them.


This post makes me really curious, what does that mean dang it!

Yep, I agree, throat hit is what it is all about, and of course the nicotine, I do love nicotine...

As far as the meaning behind my post, all I'll say is I am sure, very sure, you'll be very happy. We are working on something right now that will be a first for the vaping community. Better, more reliable, safer, and of course made in the USA... stand by.

 

[pAth77]

I have to agree with everything Stownz said on the 3.7V side of things (I haven't used the UltraMax at 6V yet). I was getting a fair amount of burnt flavor at 3.7V with a 1.5Ω atty because I tend to vape pretty hard too. Because of this, I've switched to 2.0Ω atties. Since I have a few atties in rotation, I decided to dewick the 1.5Ω atty to see if that would make any difference...and it has. While I do get better flavor from the 2.0Ω, dewicking definitely helps if using a 1.5Ω.

 

[SleepHater]

I have to agree with everything Stownz said on the 3.7V side of things (I haven't used the UltraMax at 6V yet). I was getting a fair amount of burnt flavor at 3.7V with a 1.5Ω atty because I tend to vape pretty hard too. Because of this, I've switched to 2.0Ω atties. Since I have a few atties in rotation, I decided to dewick the 1.5Ω atty to see if that would make any difference...and it has. While I do get better flavor from the 2.0Ω, dewicking definitely helps if using a 1.5Ω.

Do you generally prefer 2.0Ω for all your 3.7V vaping?

Also if you ever go 6V what is your preferred atty resistance?

Just curious, trying to find the ideal resistance for the common voltages. thanks!

SH

 

[atavanhalen]

Do you generally prefer 2.0Ω for all your 3.7V vaping?

Also if you ever go 6V what is your preferred atty resistance?

Just curious, trying to find the ideal resistance for the common voltages. thanks!

SH

I think 3.5 is pretty ideal for hv but just like anything else, different strokes... for regular attys I have only used 2.0 ohs but I would like to try a 1.5 to see but I have a feeling it wont keep up.

@path I actually dewick all my lr and hv attys before I even start using them because once that nasty taste of burning wick is on the coil it is nearly impossible to get out.

 

[SleepHater]

I think 3.5 is pretty ideal for hv but just like anything else, different strokes... for regular attys I have only used 2.0 ohs but I would like to try a 1.5 to see but I have a feeling it wont keep up.

@path I actually dewick all my lr and hv attys before I even start using them because once that nasty taste of burning wick is on the coil it is nearly impossible to get out.

You converted me to the dewicking, dewicked several of my Joye SR for use on my UltraMax and I do think it is an improvement.

SH

 

[Wylie]

Do you generally prefer 2.0Ω for all your 3.7V vaping?

Also if you ever go 6V what is your preferred atty resistance?

Just curious, trying to find the ideal resistance for the common voltages. thanks!

SH

The rule of thumb for me:

• 1.5 - 2.0Ω - 3.7v
• 2.0-3.0Ω - 3.7-4.0v
• 3.0-3.2Ω - 4.0-5.0v
• 3.2-3.5 - 6.0v

Of course, different juices act differently at different watts. And taste buds vary, even for the same person at times. I usually only de-wick if I get a burnt taste which won't go away, but I've also killed an atomizer (or two) de-wicking.