Am I a bad person for not wanting vaporizers to become mainstream?

[Herdo]

I would love for everyone currently smoking analogs to covert over and improve their health, but at the same time my selfishness is getting the better of me. The more mainstream vaporizing becomes, the quicker it will get shut down by the feds.

I have no doubt in my mind that pharmaceutical and tobacco companies are going to win this one. Lobbyists getting bribed today is so common place that I can't see this working out for us. We now how pretty active advertising for electronic cigarettes on heavily watched networks (Blu, since they've been bought out). It worries me a lot, I'm not going to lie.

How do you feel about it?

 

[kiwivap]

I doubt it would get shut down. I read somewhere recently that there are 12 million ecig users in the USA. I don't know how they calculated that. If it really goes mainstream it will be too hard to shut down. The backlash would be too big - and the protests. Regulation maybe, but not shut down.
Just enjoy it and spread the word.

 

[xanderxman]

As long as BT has a stake in an e-cig company I don't see them getting banned, so I see that as a moderately good thing. The downside is they will take over the companies and just turn them into something like cigs. We will have no idea what is in them once BT takes over. So it is a good/bad thing.

I think BP is going to be the one to take on the fight to ban them. They have too much money invested in smoking cessation products to allow something like an e-cig to remain popular or available. Not sure who would win a fight between BT and BP. Guess it comes down to the size of their pockets and how many politicians they can buy off.

At this point I think we are safe. It is going to take some time for the dust to settle and for all the backroom deals to happen. What I see eventually happening is the regulation and taxation of nic juice. If e-cigs are outright banned that could spill over to cigs, dip, snuff, etc. and BT can't afford for that to happen. I think that BP will eventuallly just move to regulate nic juice and pay off whoever needs paying to get it done. That would effectively end the small suppliers and we would be stuck buying from either BP or BT. If I even think that is going to happen you can bet your last dollar I will stock up on nic juice and mix my own.

 

[JordanL]

I don't think it will get shut down... it's too easy for people to write letters and call in with "The tobacco companies are buying our politicians and killing us all again!" hysterics. It would be far too easy for the topic to become toxic for politicians.

 

[Herdo]

I doubt it would get shut down. I read somewhere recently that there are 12 million ecig users in the USA. I don't know how they calculated that. If it really goes mainstream it will be too hard to shut down. The backlash would be too big - and the protests. Regulation maybe, but not shut down.
Just enjoy it and spread the word.

Wow, I had no idea there were that many electronic cigarette users. You are all right then. It would seem we are already a large enough community, that it would be hard to push us around.

I worry about big tobacco coming in and taking over as well. At the same time, I think most vapers would go out of their way to buy from suppliers that they know and trust. BT coming in and taking over would probably be something that effected the next generation of vapers. The kids that get started on it at a young age, and don't care what Phillip Morris puts in his e-juice.

I think even if BT came in right now and bought out every major e-cig supplier/creator, most people would just quit.

Thanks for the replies.

 

[kiwivap]

I think even if BT came in right now and bought out every major e-cig supplier/creator, most people would just quit.

And then there's Dekang.

 

[Herdo]

And then there's Dekang.

Absolutely. I'd by cheap Chinese juice over BT any day. I'd also spend twice as much buying from the little guys that I trust.

 

[chuckie]

And then there's Dekang.

That's the best answer.Not only is it the best juice I've ever used,but @ 50$ for 1200 mls. nobody can compete. The China guys could care less about big tobacco.

 

[Tran imam]

If more people vape, it will be legalized and regulated by taxes.

 

[18SixFifty]

I am just cynical enough to completely understand your concerns. I think the biggest foe is big pharma. E-cigs are a threat to their profits.

 

[s14sher]

I am just cynical enough to completely understand your concerns. I think the biggest foe is big pharma. E-cigs are a threat to their profits.

Not on my part because quitting isn't my goal. Changing my lifestyle is. Big Pharma can...this is a family friendly board, finish the sentence however you want

 

[Liquinator]

Hey I'm not from the US but interested what the full name of the companies called BT and BP is. I read one provides cessation stuff? Cheers

 

[erictho]

i still believe that if enough enthusiasts can support small-ish businesses, vaping as we know it will be a niche type business that can survive. aren't some manufacturers of apvs waiting on patents? that should help.

 

[Herdo]

Hey I'm not from the US but interested what the full name of the companies called BT and BP is. I read one provides cessation stuff? Cheers

Sorry about that, BT and BP are just abbreviations for "big tobacco" and "big pharmaceutical". It's just a way to describe the "big" companies like Phillip Morris etc. (tobacco) and Phizer etc. (big pharmaceutical) without actually naming names.

 

[newuser01]

Hey I'm not from the US but interested what the full name of the companies called BT and BP is. I read one provides cessation stuff? Cheers

Big Tobacco
Big Pharma

(found out myself by hovering over the words... )

 

[Orobas]

If more people vape, it will be legalized and regulated by taxes.

Implying it's not already legal.

With mainstreaming comes a larger community and a larger voice with which to protest over regulation.

Conversely you'll have a larger population of idiots who'll manage to melt their faces off and we'll see commercials on TV from ambulance chasers talking about a class action law suit.

At the very worst I see flavored juice going the way of Camel Exotics, omgwtf banned because yummy flavors appeal to kids. But they won't be able to outright ban flavor extracts.

We may all have to become DIYers in the future. But there's too many legitimate uses of the ingrediants for it to become impossible.

 

[vsummer1]

Guess who owns Blu, the one that advertises on TV? Yep, big tobacco bought it out. And I think that is a good thing. Now we have deep pockets on our side against a ban.

I think the pharma groups would be the ones to scream loudest.

And I also think that regulation and taxation is inevitable, and coming sooner rather than later. I already stocked up on my nic, I don't want to get taxed into not being able to afford it. It stores very well if done right. The PG/VG and flavoring isn't going anywhere, so don't need to worry about that. I have a liter of 100 mg/ml nic that will keep me vaping happily for a few years which is plenty long enough to wean myself off the nicotine.

 

[Racehorse]

The more mainstream vaporizing becomes, the quicker it will get shut down by the feds.

quite the opposite, I believe.

You guys don't actually think the big tob guys are getting into ecigs because it's going to be a dying industry do you?

Follow the money. Ever hear that?

Guess who owns Blu, the one that advertises on TV? Yep, big tobacco bought it out. And I think that is a good thing. Now we have deep pockets on our side against a ban.

Yes, I keep saying this, so I agree

 

[NancyR]

Guys keep something in mind. Yes I feel they will try to regulate and tax it, but even the government doesn't believe they will be able to ban or stop it. Anyone can go online and find step by step instructions on making a mod. They can't ban that, they can't ban the fact that most of the supplies can be picked up at any number of places like radio shack. Nor can they ban nicotine extract, they can regulate it, but they can't ban it, there are too many other uses for it besides e-cigs. They can't ban the batteries that the apv's and mods take, again they have too many other uses.

It is my feeling that they will try to ban internet sales, which will hurt a lot of us if they manage to do so. And they will try to tax it to hell and back, just as they do cigs. But until the day comes that they ban the use of computers, those of us who want to vape will.

 

[Racehorse]

If more people vape, it will be legalized and regulated by taxes.

It's already legal.

Regulated by taxes, I'm paying shipping instead right now. Pretty steep, actually.

I am just cynical enough to completely understand your concerns. I think the biggest foe is big pharma. E-cigs are a threat to their profits.

Big Pharma versus Big Tobacco? Now thats a match I'd love to see.