Am I the only person who has a problem with ppl making juice in their homes?

[Alien Traveler]

Pretty much everything we consume as humans
Food,drinks, everything
Has been in contact with things we wouldnt normally jump for joy over
But i dont sweat the little things
Like that
We as humans have survived a very long time
Comming in contact with stuff we dont know about
Live long
And vape on


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We as humans survived mostly thanks to those who did not come in contact with stuff we dont know about. Many of those who did came in contact died, so we as humans survived learning from their deadly experience. Somehow I do not think you (or me) are ready to die to provide for humans safer way to vape. Am I right?

 

[twgbonehead]

Pretty much everything we consume as humans
Food,drinks, everything
Has been in contact with things we wouldnt normally jump for joy over
But i dont sweat the little things
Like that
We as humans have survived a very long time
Comming in contact with stuff we dont know about
Live long
And vape on


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And there is growing suspicion that the rise in serious peanut allergies is being driven by parents not feeding their kids anything with peanuts when they are young for fear they will have an allergic reaction. Go figure.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

I liked the challenge at the end.
You can't force information on people, especially when the just don't want any.

No. Fortunately most people here like to learn.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

We as humans survived mostly thanks to those who did not come in contact with stuff we dont know about. Many of those who did came in contact died, so we as humans survived learning from their deadly experience. Somehow I do not think you (or me) are ready to die to provide for humans safer way to vape. Am I right?

The latter part you are correct about. Don't think the first part came out on the page as you intended. Woolly mammoths weren't lap dogs but our predecessors took them on and lived to make petroglyphs of the events.

 

[sub4me]

Nobody likes to be told what to do or not do. I get that, we all get it but listen, most consumers consider products offered on a shelf at their local markets to safe, especially when the product is made to be ingested.

When I bought my first tank and battery I had no idea the liquid in the pretty bottle came from China or from anywhere for that matter. I didn't really consider it that much (maybe my fault). I knew it wasn't an approved smoking cessation device and wasn't allowed to be marketed as such, but lets face it that's exactly the market they were targeting. Vape don't smoke, you see that everywhere, vapor it's better then ash, and so many many other slogans. I believe the average person would believe vaping to be better then tobacco. I did and why wouldn't I?? It makes logical sense on its face. I ingest harmless vapor and not smoke, even my doctor seems ok with it as long as I plan to quit smoking or at least try to. I mean what could be the harm?? Its nicotine (something I already use) but no smoke, this seems to be the common thought among many. Just ask any vapor seller.They will convince you it's so much safer, tell you that you can do it anywhere, and it's the new way to smoke without the smoke.

So you buy into all this talk, cause it seems logical, it appears you can beat tobacco and still get your nicotine, and the best is they will tell you how much your gonna save (that gets everyones attention real fast, lol) and of course how much better you will feel vaping instead of smoking.

But a lot of us never realize that what we are buying may not be so safe. Is it safe, is it healthier, saving me funds?? Maybe. No one really knows the facts yet. But when a consumer can walk into the drug store, smoke shop, vape shop, and so many other places and buy a battery, a tank, and bottle of liquid it defiantly gives the appearance of safety. I mean the drug store wouldn't sell it if it wasn't safe right?? Heck it's right next to the nicotine gum and patches. It must be safe.

I do Not want to take away anybody's liquid, but I would prefer to know what's in it, that it's safe for the most part, and that there is some regulation being done.

 

[AndriaD]

Seems to me it's the same as any other industry; you can go to Mcdonalds and expect a certain amount of quality control, but if you choose to buy burgers from some guy on the street with a cart, you can't expect the same standards

HAH, you oughta see the McDs nearest me... it's like a 3rd world country in there, complete with every language BUT English, and bugs EVERYWHERE.

I'll certainly never eat their food again.

Andria

PS: And BTW, to whoever said that about "not vaping anti-freeze"... guess what, you ARE vaping anti-freeze, if there's any PG in your ejuice. PG doesn't freeze, and doesn't taste good to pets, so they started using that instead of the poisonous stuff.

 

[ej1024]

I don't have time for it....
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[VHRB2014]

Hate to tell you, but in my world, you are alone.

I don`t need regulations forced on me to tell me what is right and what is wrong. I have my own eyes ears and smell`r, and my own mind to balance the input they provide.

I don`t need anyone else`s OCD, I have my own OCD to deal with.

Thanks,
R

 

[klynnn]

If you can bake a cake you can make eliquid. If more people made their own they would see how silly some of these threads are. Regulations are to protect a companies bottom line not yours.

 

[wonkeypickle]

if only op could see how their food is prepared anytime they go out.......

 

[sub4me]

Of course it fairly easy to make but getting a satisfactory flavor may be more of a challenge. However that's not the topic here.

By possibly using less then safe ingredients and additives along with unknown substances and conditions we have no clue as to what were actually vaping. Now add to that unsanitry practices

 

[Traijan]

if only op could see how their food is prepared anytime they go out.......

Yup I just checked out that public link record that somebody posted back a few pages on this topic and wanted so badly to toss a link at my mother for the couple restaurants that she loves to go to. There some of the most expensive restaurants anywhere and at least one of them had issues with all kinds of things at one time to where they had to do a recheck on them to make sure things were fixed which they were, at least for another year or two when the next inspection came around and rodents, insects or other animals, and possible food contamination issues and food being dishonestly sold as not what was described (or some such thing) were found again along with a bunch of other stuff.

Yup, I'd like to toss my mother that link but there's already only 2 or 3 restaurants that she'll even go out to eat at and I don't want to make that 0 restaurants that she'd be willing to go to. Ignorance is bliss as they say, so might as well leave her unknowing since nobody's gotten sick at any of those restaurants so far.

 

[crxess]

Op, there is always Vuse

No , I don't have a problem........... I DIY............ However, I prefer the Dining room table.
To much Confusion in the Living room.

 

[Haley Kato]

It definitely should be a sterile lab my husband mixs his own and his sister owns a juice company.

 

[old_geezer]

Our local B&M does "Custom Mixed" USA made juice at their front counter. I mentioned to him I mostly use Dekang from Fasttech and he started telling me how he thought China juice was unsafe. I told him "China juice is made in sterile clean rooms. Your juice is made by a girl with a cold wiping her nose with her fingers and no gloves. How is China juice more dangerous than yours?" He got red and walked to his office or someplace and didn't say anything. At least he didn't toss me out!

I make juice for my own consumption in my living room, but for sale if I can't equal the safety of cheap China juice I wouldn't even try. For my use I put what I won't use soon in my -10F deep freeze. But if I'm making it for others what do I use for an expiration date if it's not made in a clean room? I don't know what's in it. Dekang juice has a 2 year date I think. Would my basement juice have a 1 month or a 1 year date? Would it matter if my dog farted near my mixing station? Seriously. I just wouldn't do it for others. They might think my juice would last 2 years, and I don't know what type of date/disclaimer I'd use on casual made juice for sale.

 

[InTheShade]

... btw, I don't see anything wrong or strange about ex-smokers being health concious. What I find ''funny'' is ex-smokers saying vape any S**t , it is better than smoking.

I totally agree. I find it frustrating that anyone who used to smoke uses the "it's healther than smoking so what are you worried about" catch-all to respond to these types of threads.

We should care what we are inhaling and we need to hold e-liquid manufacturers accountable to produce the safest products they can.
Further, we all should be concerned about the ingredients and manufacturing conditions of what we are inhaling.

I really dislike the suggestion that as I was stupid enough to smoke, that precludes me from caring about what I vape.

 

[Amraann]

I had a heated debate this week with a local vendor who makes his juice that he sells in his "lab" which is just his living room. I tried to explain to him that his living room is NOT a sterile lab....and that the possiblilties for contamination are rampant. Air born pathogens, dust, dirt etc can easily get into this juice and then be inhaled (vaped)

I further explained that the need to sterile work space with stainless steel counters, sterile containers etc are a MUST.

I find it rather disgusting, although not surprising, that so many "juice makers" are popping up everywhere making juice in their homes and selling to unwitting newbies and even experienced vapers alike. Now with all this talk of Diacetyl (see Suicide Bunny for example) being found in our juices....and no disclosure from these guys...it's alarming to say the least.

We all quite smoking because we didn't want to die...slowly and painfully. Without any type of regulation we are at the mercy of these juice makers and their word about their products.

I personally will only buy juice from trusted vendors with test results to show that their juices are clean. I also always ask to see their labs. Any vendor who refuses to show me their lab and test results are discarded immediately.


am I alone here?

I do not understand the heated debate? Just don't buy from him?
The same things you mentioned about what could contaminate his liquids are probably being breathed in your own living room while sitting on your couch.
WHat is the difference?

 

[sub4me]

I totally agree. I find it frustrating that anyone who used to smoke uses the "it's healther than smoking so what are you worried about" catch-all to respond to these types of threads.

We should care what we are inhaling and we need to hold e-liquid manufacturers accountable to produce the safest products they can.
Further, we all should be concerned about the ingredients and manufacturing conditions of what we are inhaling.

I really dislike the suggestion that as I was stupid enough to smoke, that precludes me from caring about what I vape.

Thank you for posting common sense.

 

[Steamix]

Airborne pathogens, dirt, dust .... hmmm.... I let you in on a conspiracy of mindboggling proportions, as it affects every human being on this planet. You're inhaling all that already since you were born till the day your time's up...

It's called breathing...

And your body got something called an immune system to deal with the daily onslaught of dirt and dust particles and microscopic critters whose only aim is to do you in. It's possible to help out the immune system some. Like with personal hygiene. Like with sanitary conditions. But going all out on 'sterile' causes the exact opposite if what it was intended for. Lab mice bred in sterile conditions will die very quickly when exposed to non-sterile environments. Becvause their immune system never had a chance to develop a response. Good fighters need training, need challenges.

Having said all that, it is by no means a carte blanche for folks picking their nose or scratching their crack while mixing liquids for the public. DIY - I don't care about the sanitary conditions. But the argument from other posters holds : The heat of the coil is sufficient to do away with 'pathogens'. On top of that, PG has anti-bacterial properties. I myself do mix for others and they do chip in when re-stocking supplies is needed. They all enjoy good health although I don't go overboard with the sterile thingie. Alcohol swabbing. Syringes and cyclinders kept meticolously clean. Disposable gloves and all that. Heck, I'm even looking into fashioning meself a small glove-box out of acryl sheets or some glass panes. But I certainly have no desire to move even close to a point where a clean room might be needed. Price tags on these are steep and I am doin this for fun and the heck of it, just like having buddies over for some home-cooked chow.... None of them ever bothered to turn the kitchen upside down ...

 

[Topwater Elvis]

I don't buy from and wouldn't recommend buying from ' people making juice in their homes ' .
Too many reputable places to buy top quality e liquids to resort to buying from home brewers.

The combination of the antibacterial / anti fungal / antimicrobial properties of PG & VG and high atty temps I doubt anything worrisome lives long enough to enter lung tissue.

If you vape juice that cracks, hazes, melts / degrades plastic I dont understand why you'd think lung tissue is immune to the juices caustic properties.
Want to be safe, don't vape any cream, milk, butter, custard, cake flavors or any tank crackers.
No flavoring is approved or GRAS for inhalation.

Vaping is harm reduction, less harmful than smoking.
No one honest would say any e liquid is safe.
Inhaling anything but air comes with risks.
If vaping isn't safe enough for you, it is time for you to stop.

No reason to help those that want to regulate vaping as we know it out of existence.