American Lung Association against e-cigs

[DC2]

Here is everything you wanted to know about the "anti-freeze" and the "carcinogens" found by the FDA study...
FDA's partial truths and exaggerations endanger health

--The "anti-freeze" refers to Diethylene Glycol
--And yes, there were carcinogens found

Read the link above if you want to correctly refute this garbage whenever it pops up.

 

[FringeChief68]

I didn't write this so don't get mad at me.

Fluoride in our drinking water?

1942 Germany, Fluoride is used in the concentration camps to render the prisoners docile and inhibit the questioning of authority

Fluoride: A Chronological History

 

[Davinna]

Interesting point. Have any insurance companies stated their opinion? Maybe that's something worth looking into?

Bah...just doing a quick web search reveals that at least Blue Cross/Blue Shield is going by FDA and ALA. Grrr...

 

[Topfuel1997]

Advocate violence is about the only thing left to save this great nation.

 

[FringeChief68]

Advocate violence is about the only thing left to save this great nation.

No need for Violence,
I would ask you if you seen the Iceland Revolution but since President Obama ordered a Media Blackout
I doubt you did.
Oh yea this happened back in 2012 lol
These are not the best websites but gives you a starting point on what to search for.

Iceland Revolution: Media Blackout. | T R U T H N O W !!

Iceland Dismantles Corrupt Gov’t Then Arrests All Rothschild Bankers
Iceland Dismantles Corrupt Gov

GLOBAL ELITES THROWN OUT OF ICELAND: Iceland Dismantles Corrupt Gov

 

[emus]

"The American Lung Association is the leading organization working to save lives by improving lung health and preventing lung disease through Education, Advocacy and Research. With the generous support of the public, we are "Fighting for Air." When you join the American Lung Association in the fight for healthy lungs and healthy air, you help save lives today and keep America healthy tomorrow."

You can bet the farm vaping produces lower COPD risk than smoking tar, yet ALA isn't interested to use "the generous support of the public" to research possible benefits of vaping.

 

[zahzoo]

I think if you follow the money you'll find the reason for the ALA position. I think they care more about their funding than they do about truth.

It's not too complicated... without funding they don't exist. Survival is a really strong human instinct.

This behavior along with government taxing entities, Big Tobacco & Pharma are highly dependent on a certain percentage of the public to continue behaviors, such as smoking that continue revenue and the sole purpose of all of their shared existence.

e-cigarettes appear to be a very disruptive force where the negative health issues and thus hundreds in billions of dollars are at stake. Not to mention millions of careers/livelihoods. This game changer is scaring the heck out of folks associated with the industry.

That's a good thing for those of us leading the surge toward reduced risk... bad news if your mortgage payments rely heavily on the other side of the equation.

 

[WileECoyote]

I think after reading the other posts, it is safe to assume ALA is just another puppet... SMH

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[soba1]

We got this people.
Sometimes the goodguys do win...................... ;-)

 

[chikkaccino]

I'm sick to death about hearing the antifreeze arguement.

Ban the use of PG in antifreeze and we'll all be better off for it.

I didn't notice this before I started vaping, but happened to glance while baking in the kitchen... the #1 ingredient in most food flavoring extracts... PG. Baking vanilla? PG. Food dye? PG.

 

[williegntx]

IMO, the coat tail gang are hanging on to the ridiculous idea that children will/are going to be more likely to use vaporizers because of the flavor choices. (I think someone else pointed that out earlier, here). When I started smoking about 54 years ago the only flavor choices were cig brand, of course you can still get some of those flavor choices today, but it wasn't flavor choice that got me on the tobacco wagon. It was peer pressure (I think...too long ago), but all options being what they are today and my experience with vaping, tobacco is not an option and I'd prefer it if my child would vape rather than use tobacco (in any form).

Maybe we should go after the flavored Vodka and other alcoholic drinks, wine, etc. I'm just so sure that, that's what has the kids flocking to the liquor stores.

If they can get their hands on liquor and illegal drugs, maybe...just maybe they can get vaporizers, too. I'm just not so sure Vaporizers should be an issue we should worry about.

 

[Dakota Jim]

As everyone has stated it all boils down to money ie: tax income for the government

When I was in eastern Europe (Ukraine) in 2004 a pack of Marlboro's were 80 cents USD - at home $3.50 - Tasted exactly the same

so
cigarettes = large tax income for government = $$$
cigarettes = lung cancer = people dying = large contributions to American Lung Association from relatives = $$$
cigarettes = larger insurance premiums for health insurance = $$$ (This one may be iffy and not hold up to scrutiny but I think all insurance companies are corrupt anyway)
cigarettes = shorter lives = less $$$ spent on Social Security = more $$$ to government (iffy also, this will mainly benefit the people who never smoked in the first place, but wait, aren't these are the same people that want e-cigs banned anyway? think about it)

Just my 2 cents

Disclaimer - keep in mind that I am not college edgycated and these are just my personal opinions with no facts what so ever to back them up (yes, I am willing to say that, I just wish the anti's would) and even though I live quite close to Montana I am not as paranoid as all of the "militia groups" located there.

 

[Ozwald]

even though I live quite close to Montana I am not as paranoid as all of the "militia groups" located there.

Hey! Wait... well, I guess you have a point. Nevermind. Carry on.

 

[beckdg]

american lung association

one can only assume there's no money in a country full of healthy lungs. thus a lung association would likely be non-existent due to lack of funds if all of our lungs were healthy.

i could see the motivation.

i could also see where diethylene glycol could easily be the cause for the alarm or the easy scapegoat masking the motivation to cause alarm.

i tend to think there is dishonesty somewhere among the ranks, but that at least 70% to 80% of people involved in the propaganda are unknowing puppets spreading the propaganda. even the smart, educated ones.

 

[emus]

The soccer parents participating in a race for the cure fund raiser think the money actually goes to real cancer research. Sweet children.

 

[FearTX]

I am kind of amazed at the claims "because there are fun fruit flavors they are targeting kids". They should go to my favorite B&M and see the endless line of 30, 40 and 50 year olds lining up and trying then buying nothing but fun fruity flavors.
If you want to know what is really going on then follow the money, money may get the lie told but the trail never lies.

 

[FringeChief68]

I just wrote this letter to the ALA.

Your Statement on E-Cigarettes is misleading and out of date.

American Lung Association Statement on E-Cigarettes - American Lung Association

There are NO toxic cancer-causing chemicals in E-liquids.
And the statement “including an ingredient used in anti-freeze”
Which ingredient is that? Are you talking about water?
E-liquids contain four ingredients: a propylene glycol (PG) or vegetable glycerin (VG) base, nicotine, water and flavorings.

Now PG comes in several grades.

Industrial grade PG is used as an active ingredient in engine coolants and antifreeze
In all fairness, it should be stated that PG was only added to anti-freeze to replace Ethylene Glycol, which it had been a problem because dogs often lap up puddles of anti-freeze.

Pharmaceutical grade
Because of its water-retaining properties, propylene glycol is the compound of choice for delivering atomized medications. It has been used in asthma inhalers and nebulizers since the 1950’s
It has been used safely for more than 50 years, including in health-sensitive products such as food, cosmetics and pharmaceuticals, where the molecule mainly serves as non-active ingredient or carrier of other substances
It’s found in
- Most cake/cupcake mixes
- Some frostings
- Lots of ice cream brands
- Many McDonald's sauces - including Big Mac sauce and their mayonnaise
- Some flavoring syrups
- Most beers use it as a foaming agent
- Cornbread and muffin mixes
- Coffee (specifically Folgers -- probably others)
- Candy
- Fast Food
- Many salad dressings

Applications of propylene glycol in cosmetics and toiletries include products in:
-Personal care: bath and shower soaps, gels, face cleansers, shaving foams, after shave, antiperspirant deodorants, roll-ons, sticks, lipsticks, fragrances, perfumes
-Skin care: hand, body and facial moisturizers, sunscreen products
-Hair care: shampoos, conditioners, styling gels
-Oral care: mouthwashes, toothpaste
-Baby care: wipes, antiseptics

The FDA includes Pharmaceutical grade PG on its Generally Recognized As Safe (GRAS) list.
The World Health Organization also considers it as safe for use.

When a Smoker that is trying to quit comes to the ALA website to see its stand on e-Cigs,
They find that the American Lung Association would rather see people on medications like Chantix and Zyban.

Which the U.S. Food and Drug Administration is requiring manufacturers to put a Boxed Warning on the prescribing information for the smoking cessation drugs Chantix (varenicline) and Zyban (bupropion).
The warning will highlight the risk of serious mental health and Serious neuropsychiatric events including changes in behavior, hostility, depression, suicidal ideation, suicide attempt, and completed suicide.

Reading your propaganda about e-Cigs and the side effects of your drugs would make a person not want to quit smoking.

How can you promote those drugs over an e-cig with PG in it anyways?
I think it’s sad that the American Lung Association which once started out as a Great and Needed organization is now no more than a puppet for the pharmaceutical industry.

"The American Lung Association is the leading organization working to save lives by improving lung health and preventing lung disease through Education, Advocacy and Research. With the generous support of the public, we are "Fighting for Air." When you join the American Lung Association in the fight for healthy lungs and healthy air, you help save lives today and keep America healthy tomorrow."

Education, Advocacy and Research, why is that even there anymore if a smokeless alternative is right in front of its face and the ALA refuses to open its eyes?

This motto should be changed too:
"The American Lung Association who ever gives us the most generous support, we will support.”

I quit smoking thanks to and only to e-cigs, and I guess I can hope that one day an e-cig company has enough to pay I mean donate to The American Lung Association to where the American Lung Association will promote the use of them.

 

[Ruby_Red_Shoes]

Sigh...another 'wet blanket' PubLic health organization...hot button issue that plays well in the political sandbox cuz its easy to push...heaven forbid time should be wasted on shoring up the economic mess, unemployment, hunger, erosion of personal privacy etc...

 

[emus]

ALA likely want's to avoid repeat of the catastrophic collapse of the polio cure research industry.

 

[Notorious C.I.G.]

The soccer parents participating in a race for the cure fund raiser think the money actually goes to real cancer research. Sweet children.

I don't want to get off topic, but...... CBD is arguably the best alternative to chemo as it kills cancer cells while leaving regular cells unharmed(unlike chemo), but it seems most of the large cancer organisations have no interest it. Few things grinds my gears more than that. A mother of a 3 year with leukemia switched her child from chemo, to a CBD based treatment, her doctor attempted to get her child taken from her custody by child services, but guess what? She was able to keep custody, and without chemo, the cancer went into remission and the child made a full recovery with just CBD. The fact that the first studies on CBD came out years ago, and most cancer patients still have to undergo chemo, even though it may not be the best solution, drives me crazy. Just as backwards as saying electronic cigarettes a problem and not the solution.