And another explosion hits the news

[Lessifer]

I know as Much as you do Lessifer.

I could have been a Regulated mod with a Built in Battery? Or a Mech with a Faux Hybrid Connection? Or something in between? But it Sounds like something "Exploded". So I would lean towards a Mech.

I agree that a 14 Year Old should Not have been given Any mod to hold/handle. But correct me if I am wrong. This Didn't happen in a "shop". It happened in a Mall Kiosk. Right?

I would think that in this situation the kiosk would be defined as a shop. If it is illegal to sell to minors in NY, it doesn't matter what four walls that sale takes place in, if there are walls at all. I designate shop only to make the distinction between someone trying to sell it to him, as opposed to someone giving it to him.

Am I wrong in believing that when an ego vents, the top can pop off? I seem to recall incidents of them "shooting across the floor." I would think that colloquially, any time something comes apart with force, people tend to label it as an explosion.

It could have been a mech, it could have been a regulated mod, hell, it could have been a pass-thru.

 

[Lessifer]

The only possible regulation that would help to prevent an occurrence like this, would be to restrict sales to places where minors are not allowed to even enter. Even that would only prevent the minor from getting injured, not anyone else.

 

[zoiDman]

I would think that in this situation the kiosk would be defined as a shop. If it is illegal to sell to minors in NY, it doesn't matter what four walls that sale takes place in, if there are walls at all. I designate shop only to make the distinction between someone trying to sell it to him, as opposed to someone giving it to him.

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Gotcha.

I'm not sure how the State where this occurred defines a "Shop".

One thing that Owners of Vape Shops I know (in California) have Argued was that they do Not admit anyone who is Under 18. So the entire Advertising/Selling thing to Minors isn't a Factor.

Of course, a Mall Kiosk could not use such a Counter Argument.

 

[Lessifer]

Gotcha.

I'm not sure how the State where this occurred defines a "Shop".

One thing that Owners of Vape Shops I know (in California) have Argued was that they do admit anyone who is Under 18. So the entire Advertising/Selling thing to Minors isn't a Factor.

Of course, a Mall Kiosk could not use such a Counter Argument.

Not sure, but I would think it would be a matter of age verification at point of interaction, as opposed to at point of entry.

On an unrelated note, I don't think I've ever seen a mall kiosk that I've wanted to purchase anything from, other than the personalized ornaments at holiday time. I like purchasing from places that are likely to still be there in 6 months.

 

[Hitmetwice]

No one Knows what happened because no one involved has/had a clue what they were doing with a product they had not a wit of knowledge of.
Perhaps a coil popped.
Who knows.
Could be a set-up job by powerful anti vape interests.
How much responsibility will this "child" assume in the end?
ZERO. His parents?? ZERO.
Maybe I'm just paranoid but the lack of details speaks volumes.
As usual.

 

[edyle]

Gotcha.

I'm not sure how the State where this occurred defines a "Shop".

One thing that Owners of Vape Shops I know (in California) have Argued was that they do admit anyone who is Under 18. So the entire Advertising/Selling thing to Minors isn't a Factor.

Of course, a Mall Kiosk could not use such a Counter Argument.

did you leave the word 'not' out there?

 

[zoiDman]

Not sure, but I would think it would be a matter of age verification at point of interaction, as opposed to at point of entry.

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Yeah... But the Limiting access to Minors approach kinda takes the Wind out of the Sails of the "they're Marketing to Minors" argument. Guess that is why they keep Cigarettes behind the Counter at stores where Minors are allowed access?

All I know is that a Massive Lawsuit is coming down the line. And the Mall Owner(s) Legal Team has probable got the coffee brewing Big Time.

That, and I think Mall Kiosk e-Cigarette Sales/Demonstrations, in that state, are going to go the way of the Do Do Bird.

 

[zoiDman]

did you leave the word 'not' out there?

Thanks for Catching that edyle.

 

[Lessifer]

Guess that is why they keep Cigarettes behind the Counter at stores where Minors are allowed access?

I could be wrong, but I don't think this is done by choice, at least not here in CA. I'm fairly certain that it is the law that they are kept behind the counter, regardless of the access of minors. It's why even in discount cigarette stores there are counters and the cigarettes are stored behind them.

The fact still remains that restricting the sale doesn't actually eliminate access to the product, just to the hopefully knowledgeable sales person. Of course in this case, the sales person was not knowledgeable.

 

[zoiDman]

I don't Know if the Sales Person was Knowledgeable or Not? But I do know that He/She should Never have given a 14 Year Old Kid a Mod to Check Out.

Because there is No Good that can come out of it. And in this case, it was Horrible.

Horrible for the Kid.
Horrible for the Kiosk/Company, Mall Owner(s), Mod OEM.
Horrible for those trying to Counter Regulations/Restrictions.
Horrible for the Vaping Community in general.

 

[sofarsogood]

If the store didn't sell him the device may be no law was broken but there is still liability because somebody got hurt. The story is so garbled that I think there is not enough information to form a conclusion. How can the spokesman for this incident be a 14 year old? Not a parent or physcian? Can a newspaper quote statements made by children without somebody's permission?

I'v watched a few youtube videos of what batteries do when they are deliberately shorted and vented. They don't spontaneously explode like a hand grenade. A pressure build up in an air tight mod could result in a bursting of that device. That's one of my problems with any device that's not adequately ventilated. In the mean time the Consumer Product Safety Comission could be addressing the battery safety issues as they have with many other products that are still on the market. They publically decline to do that. They are political operatives first and guardians of consumer safety second.

 

[Lessifer]

I don't Know if the Sales Person was Knowledgeable or Not? But I do know that He/She should Never have given a 14 Year Old Kid a Mod to Check Out.

Because there is No Good that can come out of it. And in this case, it was Horrible.

Horrible for the Kid.
Horrible for the Kiosk/Company, Mall Owner(s), Mod OEM.
Horrible for those trying to Counter Regulations/Restrictions.
Horrible for the Vaping Community in general.

I know I sometimes come off as a heartless SOB, but in this case, it's not the age of the person that bothers me, even though I know that it tugs at those "for the children" heartstrings.

The issue here really isn't that a minor was holding the product, or that a minor got hurt, it's that a person was injured and we are no closer to knowing why, and no closer to preventing it from happening again. Without knowing why something happened, the only reactions that can have any effect would be broad and overreaching.

 

[pennysmalls]

From the OP's link...

"The guy was showing me different products of the vaporizers, said Domatov. "While he was showing me, he connected one of the vaporizers to the battery of the store. He gave it to me to hold and when I was holding it, it exploded in my hands and my face."

To me, it sounds like the Kiosk person was showing this Kid different Atomizers. And the word "Battery" is being used to refer to a Mod.

What type that Mod was is Unclear.

Why some guy in a Kiosk gave a 14 Year Old any Mod to hold is Beyond Me? This type of Incident is a Worst Case scenario when it comes to Public Opinion on Needed Regulations.

Ah, see I'm so literal sometimes. I saw the word "plugged" and didn't even consider the kid may have been describing screwing an atomizer onto a device. It is an odd way to describe it, even for a 14 year old. Unless of course if there are atomizers that can be plugged in.

 

[pennysmalls]

I'm with you Lessifer, we won't be given any further info and this will remain just another sensational vaping explosion with no chance for steps to be taken to "fix" the problem.

 

[zoiDman]

I know I sometimes come off as a heartless SOB, but in this case, it's not the age of the person that bothers me, even though I know that it tugs at those "for the children" heartstrings.

The issue here really isn't that a minor was holding the product, or that a minor got hurt, it's that a person was injured and we are no closer to knowing why, and no closer to preventing it from happening again. Without knowing why something happened, the only reactions that can have any effect would be broad and overreaching.

Hey I Don't Like to hear about Anyone getting hurt using an e-Cigarette. When you read a News Story about e-Cigarettes, you should be reading about how Hundreds of Thousands of people have gotten of Cigarettes by using them. And how the Vast Majority of Users have seen Improvements to their Overall Heath.

But I think you have to be Real. And Understand that a 14 year old being Blinded in one eye at a Mall Kiosk is going to Shock Many People.

And when So Many things are Hanging in the Balance regulation wise, Perception is sometimes Reality.

 

[Lessifer]

Hey I Don't Like to hear about Anyone getting hurt using an e-Cigarette. When you read a News Story about e-Cigarettes, you should be reading about how Hundreds of Thousands of people have gotten of Cigarettes by using them. And how the Vast Majority of Users have seen Improvements to their Overall Heath.

But I think you have to be Real. And Understand that a 14 year old being Blinded in one eye at a Mall Kiosk is going to Shock Many People.

And when So Many things are Hanging in the Balance regulation wise, Perception is sometimes Reality.

You're right, this will absolutely be used against us, and no good will come of it because no one who can will do anything to figure out what we could learn from this. The focus will be that a minor was injured, which will put the focus of the conversation squarely on how to keep minors away from these products, instead of how to make the products safer.

 

[sofarsogood]

You're right, this will absolutely be used against us, and no good will come of it because no one who can will do anything to figure out what we could learn from this. The focus will be that a minor was injured, which will put the focus of the conversation squarely on how to keep minors away from these products, instead of how to make the products safer.

I'm not accepting this story until some responsible adult with the authority to speak says something. The story doesn't ring true.

 

[OldBatty]

I'm worried that incidents like these will cause vape to go the way of the 3 wheeler. I believe that to purchase a mech mod there should be a kind of mandatory class involved. I know alot of people will disagree but how else can you keep them out of the hands of the ignorant.

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If 'we' were making the rules, this might be a great idea. Can see the logic... As long as 'they' are making the rules, not just no, but (word we can not use here) NO!!

 

[MouseD]

For all we know so far that kid could of had a forged ID that state he was 18 that he showed to the clerk....kids under 18/21 do it all time to get smokes and booze....

 

[Woofer]

Not that it really matters but was this even a nicotine vaporizer, I am seeing lots of "glassware" at the kiosk.