Another bs scare tactic or what?

[CCVapes23]

Note quite sure to believe this , or not too. Idk if this is another scare tactic or what.

'https://www. theguardian. com/science/2018/jan/29/vaping-may-raise-cancer-and-heart-disease-risk-study-suggests']vaping may raise cancer and heart disease risk, study suggests

'http://www. dailymail. co.uk/health/article-5325945/vaping-causes-cancer-new-study-warns.html'Vaping causes cancer, new study warns | Daily Mail Online


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[Storm52]

...follow the $...

 

[Eskie]

They tested it on cell cultures. They got results which were different than other studies that had no such issue. What happens in a cell culture can be interesting and point towards additional research, but it sure downstairs mean it "causes cancer". Scare tactic to attract readers.

 

[Bunnykiller]

well there it is.... E-Cig SMOKE.... we have known when you burn ejuice its bad for you... they need to test the vapor, not the smoke.

 

[stols001]

Also cell cultures and petri dishes are about as far as you can get from "real world" experience. I mean..... No, just no. You can kill off, give cancer to, and grow penicillin in them, but cell cultures are about as fragile as you can get, you can kill them off by freaking LOOKING at them, let alone running vape (which unless it was in a purified form..... Contains AIR also, hence, the ability to "prove" pretty much anything, including that vaping can give you the flu, a cold, etc.

We are much further along in research than THAT. Publishing that stuff is just that... Trying to find a way to make vaping look unsafe. I wouldn't be surprised if they had some cancer causing agent just ADDED to the vape, too. There is also THAT.

There is a reason that science progresses UP the ladder from cells, to animals, to test subject O when dealing with a new substance. Even with MASS testing of cell cultures and animals, if human subject 0 dies, well, you aren't going to hear about it on the news. Any family (if there is any) is paid off, made to sign non-disclosure agreements, and science quietly progresses on.

I mean.... How many new medications have you heard about that have been YANKED from the market after people start dying en masse? The earliest one I can remember was Seldane, and I was PO'd because it cured my cat allergy but also caused fatal I believe it was arrhythmias in folks, IIRC?

It happens every day. Ask any lawyer.

Anna

 

[bombastinator]

The germ theory of disease was attacked on very similar grounds when it was first proposed. People would perform bad sterilization or imperfect isolation systems and report failure as evidence that the theory was hogwash. If you have multiple experiments showing one thing and a single experiment showing another it is standard practice to suspect the methodology of the tester before suspecting validity of the theory.

 

[Ralph_K]

I usually do a search before I go to any news site both these sites appear to be fakenews. They are trying to mislead people into thinking "Marlboro-branded sticks of tobacco ecigs" is same as vaping

 

[Belhade]

Yeah, Daily Fail and the Gurdian are not exactly the pinnacle of investigative reporting.

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

Ever notice how researchers always say something like, "these results are interesting/powerful/alarming. The issue needs further study."

Researchers who find definitive results just work themselves out a job.

 

[stols001]

Nope, good researchers keep working on new things, and new experiments. With that said, all new findings are in some way "definitive" the question needs to be "definitive of what."

Most researchers find an area that suits them and progress as far as they get along that path, usually when they're good at finding funding.

It's actually great "fun" to grow up watching and participating in "experimentation" in a field over the years. I grew up with "genetic" parents, my mom programmed for the human genome project and my dad was the VP of the first successful "gene therapy" company, the bubble kids.

He retired back home to Aus (LOL, as soon as the funds were available, my parents got a divorce, which was long overdue, I thought) but he still consults for the U of Adelaide, from time to time. He worked there part time for like a decade and he is OLD (like 70) but they still call him in from time to time for help solving a problem... LOL.

Anna

 

[Baditude]

Typical "Junk Science" found on social media websites. The sub headline reads, "Nicotine in e-cigarettes may convert into DNA-damaging chemicals, mouse trial indicates, but critics say results are irrelevant to humans."

Not that different from the early studies claiming that e-cigarette vapor contains
Formaldehyde. Maybe so, but the amount is but a tiny fraction compared to what cigarette smoke has.

No one is saying that vaping is totally safe. But current research states that vaping is much safer than smoking.

 

[Ralph_K]

Typical "Junk Science" found on social media websites. The sub headline reads, "Nicotine in e-cigarettes may convert into DNA-damaging chemicals, mouse trial indicates, but critics say results are irrelevant to humans."

Not that different from the early studies claiming that e-cigarette vapor contains
Formaldehyde. Maybe so, but the amount is but a tiny fraction compared to what cigarette smoke has.

No one is saying that vaping is totally safe. But current research states that vaping is much safer than smoking.

Water and food supply in US are tainted where is the study on that?

 

[Baditude]

Water and food supply in US are tainted where is the study on that?

What does that have to do with the subject at hand?

I'm quite certain if you did a Google search on tainted water and food supply you'll get hundreds if not thousands of results. What's your point?

 

[stols001]

Um.... Just for your information "the US food and water supply are tainted" would require more than ONE study. Just, you know, FYI.

"The sky is blue" would actually require more than ONE study. For one, sometimes it's black, or red, or whatever.....

Also, although I don't read such "materials" you seem to know it as a fact, so I assume you got this "fact" from somewhere. Either that, or an organicist. No, not an organ player, someone who thinks they may need to be "gluten free" because they "just feel better" not because they have an actual gluten intolerance, which is about one of the easiest medical tests to do.... Someone who shops at Whole Foods buying Mexican seconded produce that looks "organic" because it is wizened, etc.

My brother worked at Whole Foods as a produce manager, and my mother has a "claimed" gluten intolerance that clearly is not REAL, before you want to go further with this, in case you do.

I don't entertain it, so you'd be talking to yourself.

Anna

 

[Ralph_K]

Um.... Just for your information "the US food and water supply are tainted" would require more than ONE study. Just, you know, FYI.

"The sky is blue" would actually require more than ONE study. For one, sometimes it's black, or red, or whatever.....

Also, although I don't read such "materials" you seem to know it as a fact, so I assume you got this "fact" from somewhere. Either that, or an organicist. No, not an organ player, someone who thinks they may need to be "gluten free" because they "just feel better" not because they have an actual gluten intolerance, which is about one of the easiest medical tests to do.... Someone who shops at Whole Foods buying Mexican seconded produce that looks "organic" because it is wizened, etc.

My brother worked at Whole Foods as a produce manager, and my mother has a "claimed" gluten intolerance that clearly is not REAL, before you want to go further with this, in case you do.

I don't entertain it, so you'd be talking to yourself.

Anna

Perhaps too much fluoride

 

[Beamslider]

I'll stick with what my Primary care, Cardiologist and Urologist think. It is low risk, coupled with keep vaping don't return to smoking.

 

[bombastinator]

Perhaps too much fluoride

 

[zoiDman]

Ever notice how researchers always say something like, "these results are interesting/powerful/alarming. The issue needs further study funding."

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Yeah... I Fixed that for you.

 

[ScottP]

A recent study even found that e-cigarette smokers had 97 percent less lung carcinogens in their body fluids compared to tobacco smokers. However, experts warn that does not mean it is safe and void of cancer risk.

Tobacco smoke contains thousands of chemicals and at least 70 are known either to cause or drive cancer in the body. The vapour from e-cigarettes contains far fewer toxic chemicals, with most of the smoke containing only nicotine, the addictive substance that gives users their hit.

A few points. BOTH articles acknowledge that vaping is still significantly safer than smoking, they are just saying that it isn't completely risk free. Known vaping advocates such as Dr. F and ECF's own @mikepetro have done experiments proving that the PG and VG do break down at higher temps into aldehydes that are carcinogens.This is why temp control is important for risk reduction. These articles do NOT mention what ratio of PG/VG were used nor to what temp the liquid was heated, both of which are HIGHLY important pieces of information since different ratios break down at different temps. Nicotine, according to the FDA is non-carcenogenic, so what carcinogens were present? Most likely it was aldehydes caused by overheating the liquid. If they overheat the liquid and then claim it isn't safe, that is just bad science, although some vapers do overheat their liquid.

In my own research (reading, not experimentation) I have come across some evidence that adding 10% distilled water can help prevent the breakdown of e-liquid at higher temps. Mikepetro seems to have confirmed this with 90VG/10DW ratio liquid, but I have asked him to try to verify this with other liquids (such as 45PG/45VG/10DW and 90PG/10DW). He has agreed to do so when he can find the time. Hopefully in the next few months we will know more. In the meantime, if you want to be as safe as possible use TC and stay at or below 450F.

 

[bombastinator]

Yeah... I Fixed that for you.

...and then some idiot science writer with an axe to grind picks up what he knows is a preliminary unreviewed study and blows it up into being “THE TRUTH!” even though the researchers themselves don’t think that.