Another newbie question - how often should I rewick?

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Funny - I'm probably in the minority, but I don't rewick, except when I recoil. I use cotton bacon, and it always seems to be in great shape when the coil needs to be dry-fired or replaced. coils are so cheap and easy to build- I've tried dry firing, but it's just as easy to throw a new one in there. I generally re-coil after about 8-10ml of juice.
Maybe mine is different because I use very low watts - 8-10W on a 28ga SS 2.5mm 8 wrap around .85ohm with VG tobacco juices. But the cotton can be almost still clear/whitish, while I see crud building up on the coil. That's when my flavor and TH start dropping, and I start over.
But kind of like Ben said - when you need to. I don't have a set time/ml, but when I feel it dropping off and want it freshened up.
Interesting.

As an aside, I did the math and I think (because it's 8 wraps) -- that it is single coil?

The reason I ask is because I am experimenting with single vs dual.

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I think I just properly wicked my Siren V2 with rayon.... Really full in the coil, tails thinned out, and so far, the vape is fantastic, and no seepage or leakage. I cannot emphasize enough stuffing that coil as full as you can get it... I have had a tendency to under-wick, and the vape works great for an hour or so, and then I get seepage as the wick gets saturated. So far, so excellent, and I have not seen a drop of juice anywhere. I love rayon-- it doesn't taste like cotton, and it does last far longer.

Going to the Rayon Wick - Better Flow, Flavor, Longevity, and Nic Hit!! - Pt.2, you can learn all the properties of rayon, if you are interested. I really like it but I like to do as little work as possible. I'm hoping this is my first more than optimistic build, but it is wicking fantastically so I am crossing my fingers.... :)

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Funny - I'm probably in the minority, but I don't rewick, except when I recoil. I use cotton bacon, and it always seems to be in great shape when the coil needs to be dry-fired or replaced. Coils are so cheap and easy to build- I've tried dry firing, but it's just as easy to throw a new one in there. I generally re-coil after about 8-10ml of juice.
Maybe mine is different because I use very low watts - 8-10W on a 28ga SS 2.5mm 8 wrap around .85ohm with VG tobacco juices. But the cotton can be almost still clear/whitish, while I see crud building up on the coil. That's when my flavor and TH start dropping, and I start over.
But kind of like Ben said - when you need to. I don't have a set time/ml, but when I feel it dropping off and want it freshened up.
Definitely in the minority there....just seems a waste of material to throw away a perfectly good coil after only 8mls of usage .....

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I also find that a fresh build vapes great then dryburn the coil just doesn't have the same umph then the more dryburns the worse the coil becomes. This is with 26-30 gauge single wire spaced builds. I do get a couple/few burns with a clapton before it begins to loose its umph. I know with 30 and 32 gauge the wire just looses its strength then distorts trying to rewick. I'm a tootle puffer so I vape 30K/34KorSS 1.3-1.5ohm and again only get a couple burns before the coil is tossed. IMO it takes less time to wind up and set a new build than to dryburn then scrape then burn and scrape again and again to get the coil clean enough to reuse then having to remove the coil from the atty to clean all the char cooties(tobacco absolutes are a nasty mess) from the airtube that just running water doesn't remove then replace the coil or else I taste the burnt residues with the new build...this is using a subtank mini with a RBA. I can see trying to get the most mileage out of a coil if your buying premade coils but making your own multiwire coils or wrapping yourself its almost a waste of time to reuse coils that you just have to rebuild just that much sooner cause the wire doesn't perform.
 

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Where does one acquire this magical substance called "rayon?"

It being a synthetic material appeals to me because I know where it comes from. I like my Muji cotton at nearly a year's supply at $7 shipped. But I've got my doubts about it. For one thing, how in tarnation can there be enough arable land on the Japanese islands to organically grow all of this cotton? No one's been able to answer that question.

And, have you ever noticed that westerners are prone to calling it Koh Jen Dew?
 

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Definitely in the minority there....just seems a waste of material to throw away a perfectly good coil after only 8mls of usage .....

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I thought so too until I did the math.

100 feet of SS is easy to find for about $7.50. People here probably know how to get it at a fraction of that price

100 feet is about 3048 cm.

That's about 300 coils (100 mm per coil).

Works out to 2.5 cents for a single coil build.


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Thoughts or suggestions welcome!
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My experience has been,,,
The sweet juices I like take a toll on both the wick and the coil.
IMO.. The RTA (Re-buildable Tank Atomizers) are second choice to a stock coil. The sweet juices have brought me to the point of learning how to rebuild the stock coils, ( So as to keep the cost down and my hobby interests high.)
As I re-built the stock vertical coils hundreds of times, I've had 80% failure at keeping the inside diameter of the coil free from encroaching cotton. When the cotton closes up on the coil, the hit intake gets tight and becomes crappy.
What I've just learned a week ago is the use of SS Notch Coils. They have made re-building the stock coils pretty much fool proof. I have not had a draw get tight on the 2 tanks I used these on in the last 5 days. The Melo 2 & Smok XBeast ( Top air flow )
I just took apart the Melo to find the cotton black as ink. I gently removed the notch coil, removed the cotton, torched the notch coil clean, straightened out the pos/neg leads, re wrapped new cotton and re-fitted back into the stock coil head. Tastes, Vapes and Fires up as good as a new stock coil.
I purchased 2 different Notch coils from Fast Tech. .2 ohm & .5 ohm.
For anyone interested. Here's the Fast Tech link.
$2.60 316L Stainless Steel Notch Coil Wire for RBA Atomizers - 0.5ohm / 10 pcs at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
$2.82 316L Stainless Steel Notch Coil Wire for RBA Atomizers (10-Pack) 10-pack - 0.2ohm at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
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Hope this was helpful to anyone who was thinking of trying these.
I'm gonna have to figure out what to use my hundreds of feet of Kanthal, Nichrome & SS wire on. I'm hooked on these Notch coils. And the price is more than fair.....
 

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Not much I can add to what other folks posted, I like rayon, it's cheap and works well once you learn the tricks, stuff it tight and thin the heck out of the tails, I thin down to 30%, Trim the tails so the just cover the juice holes, want just enough to keep the atty from leaking and try to keep the fibers from getting twisted, keep them straight through your bends. Think of the fibers as tubes the juice will flow through, but the juice flows along the outside of the fibers. One trick I found works well, I trim wick on the top side so the remaining tails are on the bottom of the coil, this way I'm not folding over the cut ends, less bulk then folding over the cut ends. It makes it easier to keep the fibers aligned and if I have over stuffed the coil I can pull a few fibers out using tweezers without disturbing anything, remember with rayon more is better when wicking, then less is better when trimming the tails.

How long the coil will last will depend mainly on the juice you use, I love Uncle Junk's Jon Wayne, it has been my main flavor for many years, it's made from natural flavors and will gunk a coil in two days. I have other fruit flavor's jices that are made from synthetic flavoring which are clear as water and those coils last weeks. Bottom line for me, as soon as the wick gunks I rebuild, new coils and wicks. I never try to clean a coil, wire and rayon are cheap when bought in bulk and it only takes five minutes to rebuild a dual coil atty, plus nothing beats the flavor and vapor cloud of a new build. I won't drink day old coffee, old soda or eat stale bread, why vape on a dirty, under preforming and poor tasting build? Life is to short to vape on a dirty build, you deserve the best vape you can get!

Last thought, I vape because I devolved a nasty lung infection that put me in the hospital for a week some years ago, at that time I was still smoking. I came away from that barley able to walk from one end of the house to the other without loosing breath, it took me four months to return to semi-normal breathing. The doctors told me I would likely have to live on inhaler's with COPD and if I didn't find a way quit smoking it would kill me within short order. That's when I started vaping, a year after vaping my lungs were clear and no more breathing problems. All was good until three years ago when my voice became hoarse, I had no cold or flu and it didn't go away, that's when they found a small tumor on my vocal cord, it was cancer. After radiation treatments I've been cancer free, now I'm very concerned about keeping my vaping as safe as it can be, I have switched to vaping TC (temperature control). I now only use Evolv boards, the DNA's boards, I feel they are the best TC boards out there. Evolv has been striving to make their TC boards the safest they can be, they are currently doing some lab testing and the preliminary results show once you go over 470 deg F the production of formaldehyde skyrockets at levels much higher then smoking. There is also talk that vaping on a gunked coil also increases the nasty's, that is the primary reason I rebuild with a new coil and wick as soon as I see it's gunked, second reason is of course I always get a great vape!

And just a bit of info, when I was seen by the first oncologist I asked him if I had harmed myself by vaping, he told me no, it was all the years of smoking, vaping didn't cause my cancer. I got a second opinion from another oncologist and he told me the same thing. They also both told me I could continue to vape during my treatments and I did, I had to go for the radiation treatments every day for six weeks. I would vape during the drive on the way to get the treatment, when done walk back to my car and pick up my mod and start vaping again. I was hoping they were right, and they were, the cancer is gone and I never slowed on my vaping all through the treatments and I'm a chain vaper so don't ever let anyone tell you vaping causes cancer! But, know that vaping is not 100% safe, yes it is much less harmful then smoking but I would urge everyone, make your vape as safe as you can and vape on! :)
 

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Where does one acquire this magical substance called "rayon?"

It being a synthetic material appeals to me because I know where it comes from. I like my Muji cotton at nearly a year's supply at $7 shipped. But I've got my doubts about it. For one thing, how in tarnation can there be enough arable land on the Japanese islands to organically grow all of this cotton? No one's been able to answer that question.

And, have you ever noticed that westerners are prone to calling it Koh Jen Dew?
rayon is stupid cheap at sallys beauty supply. i bought a case almost 4 or 5 years ago and i still have more than enough than i know what to do with.
 

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I'm pretty sure Rayon isn't synthetic. It's cellulose fiber and I think it comes from wood. It is manufactured though and the name makes it sound synthetic, like nylon.

I like it too. I bought a 500' box of it for $15 at Sally's. Enough to last me the rest of this life and another one.
 

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I'm pretty sure Rayon isn't synthetic. It's cellulose fiber and I think it comes from wood. It is manufactured though and the name makes it sound synthetic, like nylon.

I like it too. I bought a 500' box of it for $15 at Sally's. Enough to last me the rest of this life and another one.
It is made from purified cellulose, primarily from wood pulp, which is chemically converted into a soluble compound. It is then dissolved and forced through a spinneret to produce filaments which are chemically solidified, resulting in synthetic fibers of nearly pure cellulose.[1]
Because rayon is manufactured from naturally occurring polymers, it is considered a semi-synthetic fiber.[4]
 

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rayon is stupid cheap at sallys beauty supply. i bought a case almost 4 or 5 years ago and i still have more than enough than i know what to do with.
Its box #44060 is the 500 foot size. There are other sizes and different types that I don't know just that 44060 is the box. After you get the box cut the rayon into 50-75 foot or more pieces and Ziploc bag them in large bags then put back into the box. The rayon in the box will get dusty and dirty from just opening and closing the plastic wrap, this way will keep your stash clean until needed.
I paid 15 bucks for the 500' box 2+ years ago from sallys beauty supply in Kamloops BC. Just go to a hair dresser in your town and ask, maybe they could order you a box with their order or have some you can grab a few feet from the bottom cause their rayon could have hair chemicals from them handling it if you take it from the top. I trolled the town hairdressers and found one that used the 44060 box, explained that I wanted to try as wick for vaping, snagged a few feet off her....was hooked after my first rewicking then bought a box while visiting our son. 500 feet will last several lifetimes and I have sent some to a dude in England and a couple others in Canada and they are now hooked also.
 

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Its box #44060 is the 500 foot size. There are other sizes and different types that I don't know just that 44060 is the box. After you get the box cut the rayon into 50-75 foot or more pieces and Ziploc bag them in large bags then put back into the box. The rayon in the box will get dusty and dirty from just opening and closing the plastic wrap, this way will keep your stash clean until needed.
I paid 15 bucks for the 500' box 2+ years ago from sallys beauty supply in Kamloops BC. Just go to a hair dresser in your town and ask, maybe they could order you a box with their order or have some you can grab a few feet from the bottom cause their rayon could have hair chemicals from them handling it if you take it from the top. I trolled the town hairdressers and found one that used the 44060 box, explained that I wanted to try as wick for vaping, snagged a few feet off her....was hooked after my first rewicking then bought a box while visiting our son. 500 feet will last several lifetimes and I have sent some to a dude in England and a couple others in Canada and they are now hooked also.
i have a box. maybe you quoted the wrong person? lol.:blink:
 
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I thought so too until I did the math.

100 feet of SS is easy to find for about $7.50. People here probably know how to get it at a fraction of that price

100 feet is about 3048 cm.

That's about 300 coils (100 mm per coil).

Works out to 2.5 cents for a single coil build.


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No doubt it's cheap. It's not really the money, but more of , if it's still perfectly fine, why change it...maybe it's because I see so much waste these days that I try not to..if your vaping style benefits from a new coil every day or two, then that's cool and you should, but for me, there is no difference in performance between a month old coil compared to a brand new coil, so I just keep them.

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No doubt it's cheap. It's not really the money, but more of , if it's still perfectly fine, why change it...maybe it's because I see so much waste these days that I try not to..if your vaping style benefits from a new coil every day or two, then that's cool and you should, but for me, there is no difference in performance between a month old coil compared to a brand new coil, so I just keep them.

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Good point on the larger issue of waste. At work we print on both sides of the paper now and I always encourage people to just work with digital files as much as possible instead of paper.

I do agree that small things can add up, and I agree that it depends on vaping style, etc.



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i have a box. maybe you quoted the wrong person? lol.:blink:
Gezzz Sorry bud....I feel like a donkey now. I dunno what happened but I'll blame the several Stella beers and generally not paying proper attention as usual. I was suppose to quote @Coastal Cowboy at how to acquire the rayon but chitting the bed is my specialty sometimes.
 
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