Any one headed to Toronto to buy iQOS?

[stols001]

I don't think I could have quit vaping without this site, and trying some recommendations, so I agree that with some dedication and support, more smokers COULD switch to vaping (WTA liquid did help me in the beginning, for sure, and I'm down to almost nothing....) but the advice on nic, quitting symptoms, trying different setups, that was all achieved here. Thanks you guys.

I have to say if you want information on vaping and help, you will be flooded with support here, and that's a good thing to say the least. I wouldn't recommend the IQOS unless someone had been trying to vape for years, using different equipment, and still having trouble. I could also see the IQOS being used as a "step down" from smoking, like vape as much as you can, but when you are really having trouble, you can vape a Marlboro product when you need to during intense cravings. That's the only way I could see such a device being sustainable, but it's been a LONG time (well except for my week of dual vaping) since I've purchased a pack of cigarettes, and at $9, I was not best pleased. Though, they were American Spirits, so doubly expensive. By rights, I should have bought a pack of basics, that would have killed off my smoking even faster.... The thought of those cigs still makes me heave... about 20 years later....

Also, CBS news, if you want a news story why not start with this one? How people can stop cigs even WITHOUT the IQOS?

Anna

 

[classwife]

Also, CBS news, if you want a news story why not start with this one? How people can stop cigs even WITHOUT the IQOS?

lol...think they will do a story on WHY vaping is being demonized when it so obviously works to help people stop smoking cigarettes ?
Think they would have the nerve to "follow the money" as to why like Aaron did with
his movie "A Billion Lives" ?
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Edit : I wonder why the above facebook link to A Billion Lives comes out like that ??

 

[stols001]

Yes, I have to watch that yet, and I have Amazon prime and I think someone said it was there.

I still invite you, CBS?? You could add it to your IQOS dealio?

Anna

 

[dom qp]

This one is Canadian based but it's still relevant. You may enjoy it stols001



It was produced by our tax payer funded state television network.

 

[Oliver]

I believe Oliver K. did a bit of an early review here a few months back?

I did! iQOS hands on: What's better, iQOS or Vape? - Vaping.com - Your One Stop Vapor Shop

 

[Mike McVape]

I didn't start vaping 7 weeks ago to save money, I starting vaping to quit smoking, period. And did, last cigarette before I walked in the door of a local vape shop on a mission. I most certainly have NOT saved money vaping these first 7 weeks but eventually will yet still pretty much irrelevant to saving my lungs.

If these had been around I may well have tried them. After initial investment cost seems inline with cost of analogs.

 

[Oliver]

Got to confess that I don't quite like how I framed the title. Bit clickbaity. I'm a "whatever works for you" kinda guy on all this.

What I'm REALLY interested in is the strategic positioning. It's all bloody fascinating.

 

[Oliver]

@dom qp Like your running cost analysis.

The reason there system price is so high.. TAXES ... using tobacco it is subject to the same taxes as any other tobacco product....

Comparing non taxed E-liquid with a high taxed product is a one-sided comparison.

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You're assuming that lessened excise rates are not being agreed based on the risk profile: iQOS and HeatSticks - the full picture - Vaping.com - Your One Stop Vapor Shop

 

[stols001]

Wow, that was very interesting! I loved McNeill in that video, she was really interesting. Actually the whole thing was. Thanks for the link, dom qp.

And there was Jenny McCarthy (I loathe her due to the vaccine issue) shilling for BT. Not surprising, but quite a... wow.

Anna

 

[stols001]

Oliver, thanks for your review. It was very fascinating.

Anna

 

[batteredwombat]

That is an absolutely atrocious gimmick! Can't believe anyone would fall for it, but then again 16+million Americans do believe that chocolate milk comes from chocolate cows!

Chocolate milk does come from Hereford cows, straight from the tap.

 

[djsvapour]

Chocolate milk does come from Hereford cows, straight from the tap.

I've been down in Hereford today. I never thought to drink straight from the udder.

Anyway, chocolate cows is about as likely to enthuse me as a tobacco company reinvention of vaping.

I'm sure the IQOS will reinvent something... but I can't work it out...

Oh yes.... expensive vaping with suspicious performance/longevity/equivalency claims by the manufacture. Welcome back to 2012.

Why vape on traditional e-cig tech for $800 a year when you can spend $3,000 a year on something different. Always better to spend more when given the opportunity.

Maybe Philip Morris, Juul and Vaporfi can all come together and invent a $5,000 a year vaping system and then bribe reviewers and YouTube celebrities to endorse it. Now, that's a plan. Bring it on.

 

[BrotherBob]

Hey ya'll, I'm a correspondent for CBS News. I grew up in a house with a lot of Marlboro around, so much Marlboro that my stepfather's "miles" got me a wallet and dartboard. (Shoulda saved up for the canoe.) I've been following the roll-out of iQOS, a new e-cig that Philip Morris International says could help move the world out of the traditional cig business forever. iQOS is now available in Toronto, just over the US border, and the exclusive vendor there told me Americans come over to buy it. I'd LOVE to talk to one of these iQOS early adopters for a story I'm working on for CBS This Morning, our flagship national morning show. Know any one? Get in touch. Thanks all.Tony Dokoupil(dokoupilt@cbsnews.com)

Welcome and glad you joined.

 

[Foggy Road]

Wouldn't really think the IQOS would be all that newsworthy. At least not unless they start having some sensational exploding battery footage poppin up.

 

[djsvapour]

I am a little mystified. This is a vaping forum. The poster is some sort of a reporter and doesn't make it clear if they are a vaper or not.

Seems like a "roll in and get stuff off folk then leave" sort of thread. Not exactly in the spirit of a community.

Big tobacco isn't going to solve the world smoking situation, not when they are committed to opening up new tobacco sales markets in 2nd and 3rd world countries where life is cheap and grotesque profits are to be made through premature death. They just want to have their cake and eat it. It's laughable really... a company selling a new invention to 'solve' a problem created by their own lethal product.

You couldn't make it up.

We didn't - it's here in black and white on the worlds #1 vaping forum. Let's open the door every now and again (just a little) to discussion on/of big tobacco company mutant products, befriend them gradually and let bygones be bygones?

 

[NealBJr]

Well, I will re-iterate my previous post about the IQOS.

It is still technically vaping, but it is also technically a cigarette... just a different way of using it. It still has dry tobacco in it, but several other ingredients in it to make vapor. I do believe it is somewhat safer, but I don't think it is nearly as safe as an Ecigarette. I would call it a smoke/vape hybrid.

What I find most interesting about the IQOS, is how it's going to be regulated. Phillip Morris is trying to get it regulated as a "modified risk tobacco product". I find that interesting, since we've been trying to get ecigarettes regulated separately as well. Ball is in the FDA's court, and we'll see if they deny it just like they did with the Ecigarette. If they come up with special and separate regulations for this device, I will be totally ....... Will Phillip Morris have to submit separate approval for each flavor, brand, and type of their IQOS? Will this approval take a year and go through rigorous testing like they want Ejuice to go through? Will they be charged extra penalties for it being a tobacco product? Will they have to go through the same hoops that an Ecig company has to go through?

 

[drugarth]

This product is not for me, I'm hooked on vaping, so no more tabacco for me!

But I do see a place for these kind of devices, and am not neccesarily opposed.
It is alot more like a cigarette so it does have the potential to be easier to switch to than vaping, and I endorse all risc reducing methods.
Yes vaping is probably far less unhealthy and cheaper, but some really struggle to make the switch (like my wife who still is a dual user despite trying several devices). This could be something for them, every bit of reduced risc helps!
Even though vaping is the better alernative.

 

[stols001]

I'm not a fan of the device and the whole idea much, TBH. That said, if a smoker wants to try it and spend their money on such a device, who am I to stop them. It may help some really dyed-in-the-wool smokers. Would I recommend it? Well, no, but I'm not in the habit of recommending things to people that I have no first hand knowledge about, and it won't even be needed given BT marketing and endorsements.

If it does help some smokers reduce their risk via giving up combustibles (though in my mind, this is really really close to a combustible) and reduce harm, I'm not here to say "Don't do it." I'd recommend vaping first every time, however.

That said, I don't think it should be lumped in with e-cigs in any kind of regulatory or taxation kind of way. Though, if BT thinks it can reduce its own tax burden with this device by marketing it as harm reduction, you can bet they will go there and then push the device heavily, BT doesn't really make the amount of money it used to given the increasing tax burden on cigarettes. This may be one reason why BT is entering the e-cig market. It doesn't want to be taxed, it's hedging it's bets....

Anna

 

[Rossum]

What I find most interesting about the IQOS, is how it's going to be regulated. Phillip Morris is trying to get it regulated as a "modified risk tobacco product". I find that interesting, since we've been trying to get ecigarettes regulated separately as well. Ball is in the FDA's court, and we'll see if they deny it just like they did with the Ecigarette. If they come up with special and separate regulations for this device, I will be totally ....... Will Phillip Morris have to submit separate approval for each flavor, brand, and type of their IQOS? Will this approval take a year and go through rigorous testing like they want Ejuice to go through? Will they be charged extra penalties for it being a tobacco product? Will they have to go through the same hoops that an Ecig company has to go through?

All "tobacco products" are subject to the same regulations. However, there are different paths to obtaining "marketing approval" for a product that wasn't being marketed on the grandfather date (2007-02-15). These are: "Substantial Equivalence" (SE), "Modified Risk" (MRTP) and "New Product" (PMTA).

Getting approval as a MRTP product approval is actually more difficult than getting a PMTA, because a modified risk approval would allow PMI to make claims that iQOS is less harmful than smoking. Swedish Match discovered this when their PMTA for snus was approved, but their MRTP was rejected.

My understanding is that PMI has already filed a PMTA for iQOS. If approved, this will allow them to market iQOS in the US without making any claims that they are safer than regular cigarettes, and I do expect it to be approved. I believe they've also filed a MRTP, consisting of several million pages of documentation. Whether that gets approved, thus allowing them to make health claims, seems much less certain.

 

[batteredwombat]

I am a little mystified. This is a vaping forum. The poster is some sort of a reporter and doesn't make it clear if they are a vaper or not.

Seems like a "roll in and get stuff off folk then leave" sort of thread. Not exactly in the spirit of a community.

Big tobacco isn't going to solve the world smoking situation, not when they are committed to opening up new tobacco sales markets in 2nd and 3rd world countries where life is cheap and grotesque profits are to be made through premature death. They just want to have their cake and eat it. It's laughable really... a company selling a new invention to 'solve' a problem created by their own lethal product.

You couldn't make it up.

We didn't - it's here in black and white on the worlds #1 vaping forum. Let's open the door every now and again (just a little) to discussion on/of big tobacco company mutant products, befriend them gradually and let bygones be bygones?

Exactly what I was thinking. We shouldn't turn a blind eye to the reality of the situation. I think the post should have been removed myself. Next time I'm in the UK, we will have to tap some hereford cows for some yahoo.