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Any real confiscations yet?????

Discussion in 'Law and the E-Cigarette' started by Pleased2BHere, Feb 6, 2009.

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  1. OK, we have had all sorts of musings here about the FDA. Whether they have declared war on these evil e-cigarettes through their henchmen in US customs. It is way too easy for fear mongering to get a foot hold and for us to start stockpiling liquid and parts all over conjecture and speculation.
    Except for mismarked shipments, does anyone have afirmative knowledge of any confiscations?? This goes for any country, I just don't know what to call all the various regulatory agencies.
    I have yet to see a report in any of these threads and just want a concise answer if there have been enforcement actions. My bet is Australia and the like aside, the answer is no!
     
  2. ZambucaLu

    ZambucaLu ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Nov 23, 2008
    Central NY, USA
    When I hear of these being pulled from Pilot, Costco, Walgreens, Target online, etc, then I might be concerned. I'm really not the worrying sort so until then, I'm just going to enjoy every minute of my new (and healthier!) lifestyle :sneaky:

    Lu
     
  3. LaceyUnderall

    LaceyUnderall Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 4, 2008
    USA and Canada
    And when us suppliers start complaining that our properly marked packages are getting stopped... that's when the worry should begin. All of the packages that have been stopped to date and received a copy of the form letter, those packages were not properly marked.
     
  4. I had a feeling that this was currently more a worry than a reality. Just wanted a sanity check for us! Once again assuming there are no afirmative instances! Meanwhile vape on!
     
  5. Puffin

    Puffin Full Member

    Jan 3, 2009
    Yes they are starting to clamp down, I have a $3k order that is in limbo with FDA. Here you go....
     
  6. LaceyUnderall

    LaceyUnderall Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 4, 2008
    USA and Canada
  7. Puffin

    Puffin Full Member

    Jan 3, 2009
    I am still selling them also but that does not change the facts. I will let you know if and when the order gets released.
     
  8. OutWest

    OutWest Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Feb 8, 2009
    Oklahoma USA
  9. LaceyUnderall

    LaceyUnderall Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 4, 2008
    USA and Canada
    Bingo. You are a smart one OutWest. Seriously. This all boils down to how the boxes are marked.

    :wub: (are you tired of these threads yet? I am)
     
  10. Vince1

    Vince1 Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 6, 2009
    Down South, USA.
    Just got an order from China marked "Vaporizer". No problems with customs.
     
  11. Puffin

    Puffin Full Member

    Jan 3, 2009
    Thanks Outwest for the information. Just to let you know they were properly marked. Lacey, if you are tired of providing information on a paticular thread why do you respond?
     
  12. LaceyUnderall

    LaceyUnderall Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 4, 2008
    USA and Canada
    Because it is clearly evident that some have no clue what they are talking about and they are contributing to mass hysteria. They are not suppliers, nor do they order large quantities. Suppliers are attempting to weigh in on this and it is curious as to why no-one wants to listen. There are at least 10 threads pertaining to this...

    It is just a shame that this hysteria talk continues. There are so many other things to focus on... like how do we get these approved? What actions need to be taken? What is the best route for approval? We certainly don't want to have to hide in our houses making our own juice? Does anyone think the FDA is going to allow THAT to happen? There do need to be regulations. There will be taxing.

    I did not mean to offend you by my comment if I did. I take the future of e-cigs seriously, and not because I supply them, but because I smoke mine exclusively. I have been a smoker for 16 years and never thought I would get off of the tobacco... Never. As an American I am concerned about the bans and the loss of freedoms we are seeing.

    I think it is time for us all to focus on stepping forward and not having hype scare us like the anti's attempt to do.
     
  13. Puffin

    Puffin Full Member

    Jan 3, 2009
    I was just replying to the subject of the thread, staying on topic and reporting my experience and current circmstance.
     
  14. Kate

    Kate Moved On

    Jun 26, 2008
    UK
    Puffin, have the FDA told you why your shipment was stopped?
     
  15. Puffin

    Puffin Full Member

    Jan 3, 2009
    Negative, as i stated below it's in limbo at the moment. It was submitted to FDA 3 days ago and that's the last information I have. I tried to contact the clearing agency yesterday and they had no further information.
     
  16. Stymey

    Stymey Full Member

    Feb 13, 2009
    Cincinnati, OH
    /agree with Lu

    At the moment I'm keeping a close eye on Pilot truck stops personally. Seem to be one of the only "chain" stores that are actually stocking the devices currently. Think I read somewhere that Wal-Mart is supposed to start stocking them in like April? Anyone else hear anything about it? Seems to me, once it hit's Wal-Marts store shelf it's all over and the US should be able to stop worrying (I'll breathe much easier anyway)
     
  17. rsmith76

    rsmith76 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 14, 2008
    Bradford, Ohio
    With alot of the suppliers running dangerously low, I had to resort to buying off ebay to get supplies. This was do to the chinese new year. After winning my auction and making payment, ebay promptly cancelled my winning bid. To make a long story short, I recieved my parcel 8 days after making payment. The customs sticker on the parcel says "electronics" with a listed value of $10.00. Where was the FDA? My point is this, The FDA would be seizing all parcels that were suspect from the smallest to the largest. I just ordered juice form david, it will be interesting to see how it is marked. I also got in the east coast buy from K. Don't buy into everything you think you hear as we have plenty of reputable suppliers here that would be screaming bloody murder if their orders were getting held up.

    rsmith76
     
  18. While it's always possible, it is far more unlikely for a small package to get as much focus going through customs. The consumer orders from China are likely 99% safe at customs. You just have the problem that getting any follow up or warranty service is not as practical or likely. What I was aiming at here was whether suppliers were seeing an issue on major shipments.
     
  19. GoldenP51

    GoldenP51 Full Member

    Feb 8, 2009

    x2!! Agree 100%
     
  20. devonschmoker

    devonschmoker Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 21, 2009
    Portland, OR USA
    The word "Cigarette" catches the eye of customs. There are many laws on importing cigarettes and it takes a lot of paper work to even try to import them. So they X-ray the package and see the E-cigs. They may see it as labeled wrong. At that point it is an unknown item. The liquid looks to be a medicine by the set standards so it is sent to the FDA for identification. If it was marked “vaporizer” it would be passed off even after X-ray because they expect to see something strange. Government operating procedures are very strange and sometimes they contradict each other. One thing marked one way will be allowed to pass while the same thing marked another way won’t. There is nothing illegitimate about marking it “vaporizer” it is just what they prefer it to be called. When they x-ray something it is just like they opened it up and looked inside. I know this from experience. So I am sure that they have knowingly let them pass all the time. I would like to know what they would do with a shipment of candy cigarettes labeled just “Cigarettes” instead of “Stick Candy” which is what most of the boxes I have seen are labeled.

    I choose not to join the hysteria, you just have to look at it from a government checkpoint perspective and it all makes sense.
     
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