Anyone goot with math and measurements?

[Silent Soldier]

I'm admittedly HORRIBLE with math so I am having an extremely difficult time trying to figure this out. Basically I have 1/4oz of powdered sucralose which is 600x sweeter than sugar. I'm trying to figure out how much water to mix it with in order to get a liquid sweetener that is equivalent to EZ-Sweets (i.e. 24 drops = 1 cup, 1 drop = 2 teaspoons) or is very close. Can someone please help with this before my poor head explodes?

I am also aware that you can get a free sample of EZ-Sweetz but if you look at the list of ingredients it has alot of other crap in it I don't want to inhale: EZ-Sweets Ingredients: Filtered water, Sucralose, Potassium Sorbate, Sodium Benzoate, Succinic Acid, and Citric Acid. Which is why I went for the powdered form, so I can know for sure there are no additives. I was not aware however that it would be so difficult to find info on how much water to mix the powder with to get something similar to the liquid, maybe I just missed it, I've been searching for hours though. Would greatly appreciate some help from someone smarter than me. This is making my head hurt


Thanx,
Silent Soldier

 

[Silent Soldier]

ok so i found this:

Ingredients say 25% of total weight is sucralose, so going by that figure, if I have 1/4oz of powdered sucralose I would want to mix it with 3/4oz of water. Though this product states 3 drops = 2 teaspoons as apposed to EZ-Sweetz stating 1 drop = 2 teaspoons. 1 drop = 1 teaspoon would be preferable but I can't even begin to try to work out the math on that one. maybe I've just been at this too long. I dunno, I can't think anymore, my ears are pumping out more vapor than my ego does

 

[Sdh]

Bump because IDK. However if it is pure sucralose without added ingredients it can be measured just like sugar. 30cc is one ounce so 1 teaspoon =4.93mls/ccs. I never tried this but you could make up one ounce as an experiment. Maybe someone else has done this...however, it seems like it could work.

 

[Sdh]

Oh so you would need 7.5ml/cc of sucralose to make one ounce of liquid sweetner. 7.5ml would equate to 25% of one ounce which is 30ml/cc. (BTW this is up my alley..Im a nurse). Oh I forgot to add you would need your purified water as well.

However, do note I have never done your experiment with sucralose...so good luck and let me know how it turns out

Maybe some other folks have done this....

 

[Zal42]

I wouldn't try to replicate EZ Sweets potency directly. Rather try making a supersaturated solution: add some powder to boiling water, stir until dissolved, add some more, stir, and keep repeating until no more will dissolve. Let it cool, then pour the liquid off, leaving the extra undissolved granules that settled out behind. It's impossible to get a more concentrated solution in water than this without doing some fancy chemistry.

Keep track of how much you added and how much liquid you end up with so you have an idea how concentrated it is.

 

[Silent Soldier]

I think the product I linked is less concentrated than EZ-Sweets as it states that the 4.2oz bottle only has about 1100 servings @ 3 drops per serving ( 1.5 drops = a teaspoon), where as ES states a 2 oz bottle has about 800 servings @ 2 drops per serving (1 drop = a teaspoon which is exactly what i want). Crap, now I'm really confused. Stupid numbers, there's like, too many of'em-n-stuff.

 

[Sdh]

Does the EZ sweet give you a % of sucrulose weight?

 

[Silent Soldier]

Unfortunately not that i can find. However Welcome to Pure Sucralose - 0 Calorie and pure also states their liquid sucralose contains 25% sucralose by weight.

"Fact: sucralose’s solubility in water is about 26% at room temperature (we tested it at 27% this summer), beyond which it will dissolve no more. Our 25% concentration liquid is near the upper limit, so any “higher” or “highest” concentration will add 2% at best."

Looks like I can finally give this a rest.

Time for a vape

 

[Sdh]

Based on that you could just do the 25%(7.5ml) to one ounce (30ml). Sounds good! I may try this.I will have to look at my spenda/sucralose package...I buy generic.

 

[Silent Soldier]

Based on that you could just do the 25%(7.5ml) to one ounce (30ml). Sounds good! I may try this.I will have to look at my spenda/sucralose package...I buy generic.

Just make sure it's "pure sucralose powder", anything else will have other additives that you probably won't want to vape. "Splenda is not truly “No Calorie” because it typically contains carbohydrate bulking agents."

 

[Silent Soldier]

wait... If it's supposed to be 25% of the total weight, wouldn't it be 1/4oz PPS to 3/4oz purified water?

 

[Sdh]

Just make sure it's "pure sucralose powder", anything else will have other additives that you probably won't want to vape. "Splenda is not truly “No Calorie” because it typically contains carbohydrate bulking agents."

Thanks for the info...I will be experimenting with this once I run out of my liquid sucralose. At least one will know whats in the liquid. I buy from vendors and it does not have a nutrional information list...most likely repackaged from bulk.

 

[jlarsen]

Just make sure it's "pure sucralose powder", anything else will have other additives that you probably won't want to vape. "Splenda is not truly “No Calorie” because it typically contains carbohydrate bulking agents."

Speaking of things you probably wouldn't want to vape... I wouldn't want to vape sucralose. That stuff gives me ........, and gawd only knows if it is even safe for consumption.

Isn't VG 70% as sweet as sugar? I would think that just adding a little extra VG would do the trick, maybe not. I hope I'm not vaping anything with sucralose in it.

 

[upStomp]

Speaking of things you probably wouldn't want to vape... I wouldn't want to vape sucralose. That stuff gives me ........, and gawd only knows if it is even safe for consumption.

Isn't VG 70% as sweet as sugar? I would think that just adding a little extra VG would do the trick, maybe not. I hope I'm not vaping anything with sucralose in it.

My understanding is that Sucralose is to sugar what Olestra is to fat/oil. It's a larger but similar molecule that is not digestible by the human body. I guess in that respect I can understand why it might give you some digestive issus, jlarsen. Then again, I'd think that if you were vaping the stuff it would be in much smaller quantities than drinking it in your coffee. Question: Can Sucralose be absorbed through the lungs? Has anyone vaping it noticed you're coughing up "sweetness" in the morning?

I'm still not a huge fan of Sucralose. For me, its sweetness is very slow-acting, not coming through until well after the exhale. I can taste EM's sweetness as soon as I start pulling the vapor into my mouth. The drawback is that EM is more subtle and seems to require at least a day of steeping to get the full effect.

 

[Sdh]

You guys might want to check your supplier...flavorings are not made to inhale as well...but we are doing it anyways....long term effect? who knows.....Its a choice...

 

[maltose66]

OP,

You may want to look at this thread. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/98575-you-can-add-sweetener-juice.html It will give you more options.

My is to try saturating the Sucralose into strait PG. That way you won't thin out your juice as you add it. I am a little afraid that the Sucralose is going to muck up your atty. It is a sugar thou not digestible.

 

[jlarsen]

You guys might want to check your supplier...flavorings are not made to inhale as well...but we are doing it anyways....long term effect? who knows.....Its a choice...

Very true. I'm not even sure VG is safe to inhale, much like inhaling a carbohydrate. Every ingredient in ejuice is a larger molecule than anything found in atmospheric gasses. But none of it is as bad as soot/ash/tar/599 other things.

 

[Silent Soldier]

Speaking of things you probably wouldn't want to vape... I wouldn't want to vape sucralose. That stuff gives me ........, and gawd only knows if it is even safe for consumption.

Isn't VG 70% as sweet as sugar? I would think that just adding a little extra VG would do the trick, maybe not. I hope I'm not vaping anything with sucralose in it.

I already mix my juices @ 75% VG, some juices are fine, others are still not sweet enough.

I'm still not a huge fan of Sucralose. For me, its sweetness is very slow-acting, not coming through until well after the exhale. I can taste EM's sweetness as soon as I start pulling the vapor into my mouth. The drawback is that EM is more subtle and seems to require at least a day of steeping to get the full effect.

I've tried EM, even after a few days of steeping I found that all it did for me was give my juices a hint of cotton candy taste. Not exactly what I am looking for & certainly doesn't compliment some flavors well (at least for me). Do you DIY? If so how many drops of EM per ml do you use? Maybe I'm just using too much.

OP,

You may want to look at this thread. You can add sweetener to juice? It will give you more options.

My is to try saturating the Sucralose into strait PG. That way you won't thin out your juice as you add it. I am a little afraid that the Sucralose is going to muck up your atty. It is a sugar thou not digestible.

I was thinking about trying that only with VG instead. And if the sweetener I make is the same potency as the other liquid sucralose sweeteners I will hopefully only need about 1 drop per 1-2ml. Since I clean my atties every few days anyways it shouldn't hurt (I hope).

 

[upStomp]

Do you DIY? If so how many drops of EM per ml do you use? Maybe I'm just using too much.

I do. I use 1 drop per ml max - usually a little less. It's strange because unlike liquid sucralose it doesn't smell or taste sweet straight, but it does sweeten things up when mixed.

ETA: When I did use Sucralose (EZ-Sweets cut 50% with PG), I only needed 1 drop per 5-6ml.

 

[Silent Soldier]

I do. I use 1 drop per ml max - usually a little less. It's strange because unlike liquid sucralose it doesn't smell or taste sweet straight, but it does sweeten things up when mixed.

ETA: When I did use Sucralose (EZ-Sweets cut 50% with PG), I only needed 1 drop per 5-6ml.

I also used 1 drop per ml of EM. My order of powdered sucralose actually just arrived in the mail today, but I'm going to give it a bit more though before mixing it. But if I mix it @ 25% it should be the same strength as EZ-Sweetz. I'm just having trouble figuring out if I would mix this 1/4oz of powder with 3/4oz of water (or PG) or if I would mix it with 1oz in order to get the 25%. Sounds simple (and would be if dealing with 2 liquids or 2 powders) but when dealing with a powder that will dissolve in liquid it kinda complicates it for me. but the 1 drop per 5-6ml is exactly what I'm looking for since I'm still kinda new to DIY and only mixing 6ml bottles to start off with while I get the recipes right.