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I just got my Smoktech ARO in. Keep in mind, this is the beginning phase for me so I'll know more as I spend more time with the ARO. So far I've spent most of the late morning and early afternoon chain vaping between both the ARO and the EVOD. Both are on 2.1 ohm coils, both are on 3.8v from my Vamo V2, and both are using 80/20 liquid from the local vape shop that I picked up last night.

Flavor wise, they are pretty much identical. I've gone back and forth in an effort to find a difference and I just can't. As far as vapor, the ARO does have a slight edge, but it's not any sort of landslide. On a scale from 1 to 10 with the ARO's vapor production being 10, the EVOD would be a 9. It's enough I can see a difference, but it's not a tremendous difference since the EVOD is pretty dang good in this category to begin with.

When I unboxed my ARO, I did a dry pull on an empty tank just to see if I could taste or smell any hint of an oily taste, and to no surprise, I did. I washed the ARO out in pure grain alcohol for about 5 minutes (stuck it in a glass jar and twirled it around) then thoroughly washed it out with hot water from the tap. I did not wash the actual head out at all. Once done, I pulled off the center post to the head and primed the wicks with a few drops of liquid. Once they were saturated, I assembled everything and filled the tank.

The first few hits were burnt, but any time I unbox a new head I've experienced that, so it wasn't a big surprise. I just kept doing my thing with vaping it and gradually the taste changed. After only 5, maybe 10 minutes, the flavor was on par with what I would expect from my daily-driver liquid that I know rather well.

As covered already in this thread, the ARO is indeed a little thicker than the EVOD, though it fits on the ego threads of the Vamo V2 nicely. It's a little taller than the EVOD as well. The build quality is definitely on the higher end as it feels pretty darn secure and stable. I'm unable to tell how thick the glass is since it's wrapped in the metal tube, but considering it's wrapped in the metal tube that alone is a bonus since that of course provides an additional barrier of protection.

Now, I'm going to shift gears a bit here, as I've spent a lot of time recently trying to make the Protank 2 not suck. The EVOD, in my opinion, is a different beast altogether. Clearly the EVOD's design with the base is superior to that of the Protank 1 and 2 since the same heads that taste awful in the Protank work very well in the EVOD. I'm no expert, I'm not an engineer, and I haven't been vaping for a thousand years to feel like my opinion is worthy of an epic prize, but using some degree of logic and common sense, the base of the ARO seems to be designed in a more intelligent fashion. It just feels like juice is being delivered in a more efficient manner. Not only that, but there are quite a few "ridges" on the base, each containing an O ring. This to me makes the ARO feel like it's got backup plan after backup plan of seals to ensure it doesn't leak.

I'm absolutely happy with my purchase. The ARO at its price is quite a steal. 3ml pyrex tank with a better design for less than 10 bucks? Yes please. Now, before I get too ahead of myself, this is admittedly only the beginning, so my opinion may change as I use the ARO more. After all, when I first got the Protank I was gung-ho about it, but immediately things went south with it and a good experience never resurfaced again, even with the introduction of the Protank 2. I feel far more confident that the ARO will continue to be a solid device, just based on the design of the base, my experience so far, as well as some reviews I've read that are a month old already that are still reiterating great success.

If you are using something else and enjoy it, great, that's all that matters - but in my search for a clearomizer that performed decently, all I can say is this based on my own experiences:

Protank 1 and 2 = fail
EVOD = very decent, but no glass tank and the tank being smallish is sort of :(
ARO = cheap, well built, glass, 3ml - :)

We'll see how things go... a lot can change yet.
 

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@roasted- Very nice review! How do you like the gurgling when the tank gets low?

I haven't had *any* gurgling at all with the ARO. I haven't ran it to the point where there's 1 or 2 drops left, but I've certainly blasted through the vast majority of the tank without any gurgling.

I also noticed that I can dry pull on this thing like crazy and I never taste any droplets of juice nor induce any gurgling, unlike the Protank and EVOD where I would dry pull until I tasted droplets of juice, which was a warning to me that I should stop.

One topic I didn't hit above is the air draw. The air draw on this is very comfortable to me. It's a bit tighter than the EVOD and certainly tighter than the Protank, but not to the point where you're trying to suck solid ice cream through a straw. I'd consider it on par with the Vivi Nova, which is (in my opinion) quite nice in terms of air draw.

This morning part of me thought I was sensing a bit of a metallic taste with the ARO, so I grabbed some dish soap and washed the tank thoroughly. Previously I had just used pure grain alcohol and a hot water blast, but the soap (and a very thorough rinse afterwards... I was still seeing soap suds for quite a long time) helped quite a bit. This metallic taste I speak of was very distant and not heavy enough to feel like you've been slapped in the mouth by liquid chrome as I found with the Protank prior to washing it out, but it was 'just' enough to get me thinking a soapy wash couldn't hurt. The taste improved afterwards and I don't sense it at all now. I'm even using the same juice I pulled out of the tank and it's still been pretty solid.

I really hate to sound like some sort of newfound biased fanboy, but all issues I've ever had in previously used clearomizers, so far, have not been present in the Smoktech ARO. That said, as I mentioned before, I'll feel better about saying this on more of a "confirmed" stance after I've used it for a few weeks. But right now, today, based on 24-36 hours of rather heavy vaping, it's been a real treat.
 

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Believe me, you will experience gurgling. I don't really care about that, but the flavor issue is a concern. I filled an EVOD and a ARO Pyrex BCC both with the same 70pg/30vg juice and tried them back to back several times and the EVOD had significantly more/better flavor. They were both on the same 3.7 volt battery, BUT, The EVOD had a 1.8ohm coil and the ARO had the standard 2.4. I just ordered some 1.8ohm ARO coils and am hoping they will make a difference.
 

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Believe me, you will experience gurgling. I don't really care about that, but the flavor issue is a concern. I filled an EVOD and a ARO Pyrex BCC both with the same 70pg/30vg juice and tried them back to back several times and the EVOD had significantly more/better flavor. They were both on the same 3.7 volt battery, BUT, The EVOD had a 1.8ohm coil and the ARO had the standard 2.4. I just ordered some 1.8ohm ARO coils and am hoping they will make a difference.

I have no doubt the new head will be a better basis for comparison. Using the same power on different resistance heads will play a key role. Everybody's mileage will vary, so I would never dare say anybody's experience is wrong, but as somebody who's using the ARO and EVOD both on 2.1 ohm heads @ 3.8v, I can say this - the ARO provides slightly more vapor and easily matches and/or surpasses (by a bit, I'm not talking a complete shutout here) the flavor of the EVOD. I'm not saying the EVOD is bad by any stretch, it's a SOLID #2 in my eyes, but when you feel you're getting a better experience out of the ARO sitting right next to the EVOD, it's hard not to slide the ARO into the top contender slot.

Even if the ARO (again in my opinion) was dead-matched even against the EVOD in terms of vapor and flavor, I'd still give the ARO the win thanks to the larger tank, metal-wrapped pyrex, and easier to see window. But in this case, the ARO does have a slight nose ahead at the end of the Nascar race, which is all that's needed to take the cake.
 
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@roasted- You've provided great information. I'm hoping, based on your experience, that the 1.8ohm coils will make a difference. If they do, my assessment will be the same as yours. If the 1.8ohm coils bring the ARO's flavor the same or better than EVOD, then this clearo is a big winner, with clear advantages (IMO) over other pyrex tanks.
 

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@roasted- You've provided great information. I'm hoping, based on your experience, that the 1.8ohm coils will make a difference. If they do, my assessment will be the same as yours. If the 1.8ohm coils bring the ARO's flavor the same or better than EVOD, then this clearo is a big winner, with clear advantages (IMO) over other pyrex tanks.

I'm hesitant to say as a 'fact of life' that you'll find the ARO better than the EVOD since everybody's mileage will vary, but if the comparison field isn't level it's hard to use that information as a means of taking a specific side. You might be able to come to a more realistic comparison if you would ramp up the EVOD until burning point, then knock it back a notch, then do the same with the ARO. That way you bring both to the point of almost burning the liquid which is a slightly more comparable scenario. It just so happened that I had heads for both with the same resistance, which is why I was hitting both of them so hard to bring myself to a more solidified stance.

I think what's most important to me is the fact that I can fit more juice in the ARO than the EVOD, plus with the glass it eliminates any need to worry about what liquid I'm buying and what it may or may not do to the tank. What I'm loving most, so far (there's those key words again), is the fact that I've had no issues with the ARO. Granted, the EVOD never gave me any trouble, but its shortcomings (tank size and plastic tank - imo) always left me wanting more... which only enraged me more when the Protank gave me a continual headache as the PT was the obvious choice that fit those parameters at the time.

But hey, we're still in the honeymoon phase with the ARO. Stay tuned.
 

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For what it's worth, last night I ran the tank empty. What I mean is, I ran it so low that while the wicks were still pretty saturated, when I took it apart and tilted the tank upside down, at best 3 drops came out. I refilled it and continued doing my thing. I did experience about a full second's worth of gurgling, but it cleared itself in only one draw. I've topped it off since then and have been using it pretty extensively throughout late last night and of course throughout this morning. Besides the second-long gurgle that self corrected itself during the initial draw, I've had no gurgling at all.

So far in my limited 5 month stretch of vaping, this is the most problem free device I've used across the ~12 clearomizers and cartomizer tanks I have.

Stay tuned...
 

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For kicks I pulled out both flavor wicks. I began to experience gurgling immediately. I put one flavor wick back, but the flavor wicks are twisted, so they're round-ish. Having two of them sit next to each other evens things out. I took the one flavor wick I left in place and unraveled it to kind of flatten is out. Since then, one flavor wick is doing good. No gurgling and no issues.

There are times (with any device) that I wonder if I can squeeze more flavor out of my liquid, which is typically vanilla. In my opinion vanilla can be somewhat bland a lot of the time. Pulling one flavor wick out did help with taste a little bit. I'm not suggesting I had "problems" with the taste as it was still on par with the EVOD in a rather identical fashion, but anything to bump it up a notch I'll try. Tomorrow I'll be getting some more liquid. I plan to get something that has more of a punch from the get-go instead of having a more subtle liquid like a smooth vanilla.
 

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@roasted- You've provided great information. I'm hoping, based on your experience, that the 1.8ohm coils will make a difference. If they do, my assessment will be the same as yours. If the 1.8ohm coils bring the ARO's flavor the same or better than EVOD, then this clearo is a big winner, with clear advantages (IMO) over other pyrex tanks.
just tried one with a 1.8ohm coil. Lots of flavor! Haven't compared side-by-side with an EVOD, but so far so good!
 

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To be honest, I don't think the "device" has much bearing on performance or VTF. I really think it is mostly in the coil. The only thing the device can change is top coil vs bottom coil and air flow. These are of course personal preference and coils will not change that. Since I find the ARO and the EVOD to be close enough in air flow to be of negligible impact on performance between them, and since they are both bottom coil design...the coils are the only thing really different performance wise. The ARO being a Pyrex tank vs plastic in the EVOD is what really gives it the advantage IMHO.

I have seen varying performance from a single EVOD when changing from one factory head to another...even at the same resistance. Some just seem to heat up better or more evenly than others. I have also seen completely different performance in the same EVOD when using a rebuilt head (usually better than factory). Right now I have a rebuilt head in my EVOD (2.4ohm 7wrap micro coil with boiled cotton yarn wick and no flavor wick). On my SVD at 6watts it's like a steam engine. I have not tried rebuilding an ARO head yet, since I am still using the original one that came with it. I do plan on building the exact same coil for it when the factory one gives out. That will be the ultimate test to see if I am right.
 

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I picked up a second ARO tonight. Now I can swap easily between two flavors using my favorite tank. In regard to my last message, I think I was messing with the voltage and wattage settings a bit much. All too often I see videos online of people saying "yeah I'm vaping this at 12 watts right now and it's great" and all I can think of is... really? How is that not burning for you? The original head I kept messing with the power. I kept wanting it to run decently at say 10 watt or so but it would eventually taste a bit cooked. On a hunch, I asked the guy at the local vape shop (I'm on vacation right now... NICE vape shop within 15 minutes) and he said I stay between 6.5 and 8 watts. He said some guys ramp it way up, but for the most part I feel I get better flavor when I'm not trying to maximize every available watt of power into cooking the juice. I took that advice and have been sitting @ 7.0 watt steady with a 2.5 ohm head, and so far I'm quite a fan. Lots of vapor, and definitely lots of flavor. Anyway, just a little side ramble.

At any rate, I like what ScottP said in regard to the coil making the difference. I do have one "what the...?!" question though in regard to that. While I actually do agree with you, I sincerely wonder how I was getting wildly different levels of performance out of my EVOD vs my Protank 1 and Protank 2. I would literally rebuild a head, put it in the PT2, it would be great for 3 puffs and suck terribly after that, turn around and put it in the EVOD, 3-5 puffs in it was amazing and worked flawlessly from then on. And yes, I washed out the Protanks with dawn and vodka soak and distilled water and yadda yadda. Anyway, I agree with what you said 100%, but that just sounds contradictory to me in regard to that ONE particular situation I ran into.
 
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At any rate, I like what ScottP said in regard to the coil making the difference. I do have one "what the...?!" question though in regard to that. While I actually do agree with you, I sincerely wonder how I was getting wildly different levels of performance out of my EVOD vs my Protank 1 and Protank 2. I would literally rebuild a head, put it in the PT2, it would be great for 3 puffs and suck terribly after that, turn around and put it in the EVOD, 3-5 puffs in it was amazing and worked flawlessly from then on. And yes, I washed out the Protanks with dawn and vodka soak and distilled water and yadda yadda. Anyway, I agree with what you said 100%, but that just sounds contradictory to me in regard to that ONE particular situation I ran into.

My guess there is that the extra airyness of the PT it's the difference. Maybe it causes it to underwick by causing the juice to vaporize faster. There is no other reason that the same coil at the same voltage would be different.
 

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To be honest, I don't think the "device" has much bearing on performance or VTF. I really think it is mostly in the coil. [...]

I'm a little too dull to figure out what VTF means, :) but the only thing I'll add is that the "device" can screw up the flavor if it has 'flavor' of its own. Like the PT2's metallic tang, which imho washing and soaking did not totally fix (though not using the metal drip tip helped) and plastic can also have a taste to it.

Aside from taste, I'd like to know what kind of plastic the EVODs are made from. Is it PBA-free, for example? Food grade? There may be disadvantages to plastic tanks that are tasteless but unhealthy. So as much as I'd like to get a couple EVODs for some safe juices, I'm not vaping out of plastic -- from China, especially -- unless they say it's food grade and PBA-free.

OTOH the metal parts of the PT2 seem to be less than ideal too. How many containers do we eat off of that are made of metal? Even cans are sealed... now with BPA-free sealer.

All to say, ideally the "device" has nothing to to with the flavor and it SHOULD just be the head/coil and airiness that make the difference, but in reality there seems to be a lot of issues with the devices too. :D

I'd like to see manufacturers include specs on the materials of these tanks. And start making them from stuff that is food-grade safe and doesn't taste like oil and steel.

I have 2 Aro's en route. Should be here Mon or Tues. Am looking forward to them, but am a little disappointed to read they, too, taste like steel and need washing.

Btw, I can't believe the PT2 is a tighter draw than the PT1. Never had a PT1 but this PT2 is way too airy for my tastes... ordered an air flow controller to tighten that up. :)
 

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Coils are iffy for the ARO. Some vape great hit after hit, for days, while others are prone to dry/burnt hits, so you have to keep shaking it to get the air bubbles out. To me, EVOD still gives more flavor per draw, due to the smaller tank.

Since my long term plan is to collect about 20 total heads and then rebuild them from there on out, quality of the factory head concerns me less than the durability of the device itself. I just find that my rebuilt coils are better than any factory coils on any replaceable head device. Of course this is my own personal plan and philosophy so it may not be for everybody.
 

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Since my long term plan is to collect about 20 total heads and then rebuild them from there on out, quality of the factory head concerns me less than the durability of the device itself. I just find that my rebuilt coils are better than any factory coils on any replaceable head device. Of course this is my own personal plan and philosophy so it may not be for everybody.

I have to thank you once again, ScottP as I LOVE my PT2 with the Aro head!! On top of that I finally had success using the boiled organic cotton balls, so re-wicked the PT2 with cotton and it's fantazmic. :D Since it's the same diameter as the Vamo and a nice, shiny device, I like it more than the Aro tanks, but I still have uses for the Aros too. Great for leaving certain flavors in them so I can switch between. But this Aro head in the PT2 is the best of all worlds!

As for inconsistency among Aro heads (re: magicmyst), I haven't gotten a bad one yet myself. I was having a little seepage on to the mod pin, but now that I am re-wicking with cotton and a small cotton flavor wick, that problem is el pasto. :D I bought 10 more Aro heads and should be set for a long time as I am rebuilding them. I'm just so very pleased I can buy one head for all my tanks and it has such great performance! So many thanks, once again, ScottP! :D
 
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