apparently no longer called electronic cigarette
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Makes sense then Angela--this press release just came out a little while ago. Trying to change the name now is really not productive, but it can not hurt either.
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well, vaping at the state fair, i am asked what are doing smoking in here, i have used both e-cig and PV in talking about what i`m doing, and i do see a difference in peoples reaction to what word i use, e-cigarette and the eyes flair mouth starts to open, personal vaporiser, and i have used the it`s a "medical device" to help me cope on some of the people: depending on how they are reacting to my vaping, while i`m not the best at talking to people and gettting them to listen, i know i`m using my E-ni as a analog, Sun`s, lady`s are both right in how it is looked at in public, because of how people view smoking, the wideness(width) of gap between the public views all the diferent ways of explaining what we do is NEEDED ( it is my own not so smart ((ok stupid)) way of reasoning (excuseing)<SP> what i do in public )
i am trying to get smarter, reading everything i can about this stuff (vaping) Lacy`s posts, Sun`s posts lady`s posts, H3ll, EVERYONE who posts has a valid process of information, Borg(assimaluate all of i am trying to do, we are not fighting each other but the fight is with the whole preception of vaping(smoking) to the world, lawmakers, mothers pushing baby strollers down the isles.
sherid`s and yvilla`s , sun`s (again Everyone`s) posts seem to be the things that could bring the money(testing, lawyers) for a positive reslution to ( Yet ASH is the one with the new massive lawsuit against SE, for anyone who bought a SE device, was next to a user of said device, or looked at the device) the question of what it is, what it do, how bad is it( or good), what it effects around it`s use.
ok, i just dont want to be left out...i hope i make some sense to everyone, myself too.
yippy, i get to go to the fair today(again)...
i am trying to get smarter, reading everything i can about this stuff (vaping) Lacy`s posts, Sun`s posts lady`s posts, H3ll, EVERYONE who posts has a valid process of information, Borg(assimaluate all of i am trying to do, we are not fighting each other but the fight is with the whole preception of vaping(smoking) to the world, lawmakers, mothers pushing baby strollers down the isles.
sherid`s and yvilla`s , sun`s (again Everyone`s) posts seem to be the things that could bring the money(testing, lawyers) for a positive reslution to ( Yet ASH is the one with the new massive lawsuit against SE, for anyone who bought a SE device, was next to a user of said device, or looked at the device) the question of what it is, what it do, how bad is it( or good), what it effects around it`s use.
ok, i just dont want to be left out...i hope i make some sense to everyone, myself too.
yippy, i get to go to the fair today(again)...
Hey Paise the link I gave you was to a myriad of symptoms that people have referred to as side effects from vaping. Some are valid and some not so much but all are idiosyncratic in nature. I also suffer migraines one or two times a year and can empathize with your pain.
Regarding your sleep issues...there is a little thing you can do called "thought stopping". Research it on the net for a better explanation, but briefly, it is taking control of your mind by consciously stopping runaway thoughts. Some people wear a rubber band on their wrists and when intrusive thoughts occur they snap it. I prefer to recommend merely telling yourself to stop when thoughts veer off. Hope this helps your sleep issues.
If I messed up the link you can scroll down the page of the forum to the Health and Medical issues section.
Regarding your sleep issues...there is a little thing you can do called "thought stopping". Research it on the net for a better explanation, but briefly, it is taking control of your mind by consciously stopping runaway thoughts. Some people wear a rubber band on their wrists and when intrusive thoughts occur they snap it. I prefer to recommend merely telling yourself to stop when thoughts veer off. Hope this helps your sleep issues.
If I messed up the link you can scroll down the page of the forum to the Health and Medical issues section.
PillBox38: That's fair enough.
It just sounds strange and the FDA over the last few months have completely lost their marbles over e-cigs. It begs to wonder why they haven't gone after the anti-wrinkle creams, the diet pills promising weight loss in 2 weeks, the muscle-enhancers much akin to the cartoonish ones back years ago depicting this skinny fellow sitting on a blanket with a beach umbrella over them as this muscle-bound jerk kicks sand in his face then walks off with the girl - fast forward 2 weeks (perhaps 4 weeks, I forget now) but here comes a new man. He's the product of MUSCLE-MAN 2000 - the Arnold Swartzamaker. Now he's kicking sand in steroid-man's face walking off with the girl again. For starters, he didn't need her if she didn't want to be with him in the first place but that's another time another story... My point is why doesn't the FDA go after THESE kinds of drugs and chemicals that run endlessly on a loop after everything else has gone off except the infomercials selling diet pills, muscle pills, ......-like pills, youth-type pills, and the ever-so-popular "I've fallen and I can't get up" commercials. Scratch the last one because it's a usable product not something you eat or drink like the diet pills or muscle shakes that probably taste like... I won't go there either because I just don't want to imagine it. LOL!
With all the bad things on the television being projected to children who sit non-stop in front of the boob tube, why isn't the FDA going after those to stop them? They show these young people having a great time at a BBQ or in a bar because it's Miller Time yet they have a hissy fit over a safer way to get nicotine. It's not like it can be put in a soda. The FDA would have a hissy fit over that yet they can triple the caffeine amounts to equal that Red Bull drink and those others like it and it's okay. My daughter came home with one of those drinks before she turned 18 and I had a hissy fit! She has a heart condition and that much caffeine could have sent her to the emergency room if not the operating room! Yet the FDA would rather torment quality companies selling a product that only adults can purchase and use, is only catered to adults to use, and yet the government, our FDA attempts to treat us the ADULTS as if we are their children. I haven't taken a directive from either of my parents since I was about 15 years old and I darn well won't start now and I double-darn well won't be doing it for the FDA.
I knew when that Patriot Act came out and then the illegal wire-taps on American citizens came out that our lives would never be the same afterward but to have a government trying to play parent to scores of adults is simply too much. It is high time they learn they are not dealing with children. We are over 21 and adult enough to make decisions for ourselves without them making decisions for us. If I want a drink of alcohol, I'll take it. If I want to use an e-cig or N-IE by the gods I'll vape it even if it means eventually going to the black market to get the stuff I need to keep vaping. The FDA has completely overstepped their boundaries here as well as worn out their welcome. It's time for them to be ejected back to their cubicles where they do nothing all day as proven by anyone who sits up listening to late-night television infomercials while flicking the channels trying to find something worth listening to at that hour of the night/morning.
Stepping off my little soapbox before I fall off.
Honestly, I do respect what you're doing. I just hate that it had to come to this because we are adults here, not children who need to be directed or told what do to. We can handle our lives without a government agency telling us what's dangerous and what isn't. Smoking is dangerous but so is crossing the street during rush hour. Believe me when I say it's extremely dangerous when crossing the street during rush hour relying on a chirping bird noise that tells you so you can tell your guide dog it's safe to cross. LOL!
Maybe I've been fortunate but I've had none of the possible negative side effects from vaping.
I also prefer PV- Personal Vaporizer - because using liquid WITH Nicotine in it is completely OPTIONAL... 'nuff said!
I also prefer PV- Personal Vaporizer - because using liquid WITH Nicotine in it is completely OPTIONAL... 'nuff said!
search on "list-common symptons when e smoking "
go there, it will take hours to read it all, those that you referred to and plenty of others side effects are discussed / commented about
I'd bet you will find stuff on there that you experience and would not have attributed to the change in your nicotine consumption method
Sorry about the lack of link, but the forum restrictions are bothersome until a member has achieved 15 posts.
go there, it will take hours to read it all, those that you referred to and plenty of others side effects are discussed / commented about
I'd bet you will find stuff on there that you experience and would not have attributed to the change in your nicotine consumption method
Sorry about the lack of link, but the forum restrictions are bothersome until a member has achieved 15 posts.
I also prefer PV- Personal Vaporizer - because using liquid WITH Nicotine in it is completely OPTIONAL... 'nuff said!
Exactly. There's no reason to inextricably connect the devices to the nicotine. We don't call ceramic mugs Analogue Caffeine Ingestion Chambers do we?
lol - but so true also.
The important distinction, and one already stuck, is between vaping and smoking.
In saying 'electronic cigarette' it is clear that this is something completely different, as 'electric car' (no need to coin a new phrase like 'electric propulsion chamber').
Aside from the sense of subterfuge / pomposity, giving the device a medical-sounding name could well be heading for trouble. PV is just fine.
We should be hoping to build a consensus at drawing the line of acceptability at not-smoking, not at nicotine use - or puffing. Because by setting ouselves up as having an illness requiring medical devices moves the posts for anti-smokers to be anti-nicotine or even anti-puffing.
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Surf monkey>>>Excellent im going to buy some coffee mugs and rename them
It gives me some sort of firm ground to stand on if im accused of marketing cigarettes to children etc.
IE Explicitily(Spelt wrong, i know) Stating what the WICKED E-NI does
Im excited by the development, its going to be easier to advertise...Imagine Mr Wicked walks on to your TV screen E-NIINGGGGGGGGGGGGG.
Side steps (possibly) the anti tobacco advertising regulations, ever heard Google or paypal closing an E-NI account??
E.Cig yes, E-NI no
It gives me some sort of firm ground to stand on if im accused of marketing cigarettes to children etc.
IE Explicitily(Spelt wrong, i know) Stating what the WICKED E-NI does
Im excited by the development, its going to be easier to advertise...Imagine Mr Wicked walks on to your TV screen E-NIINGGGGGGGGGGGGG.
Side steps (possibly) the anti tobacco advertising regulations, ever heard Google or paypal closing an E-NI account??
E.Cig yes, E-NI no
Surf monkey>>>Excellent im going to buy some coffee mugs and rename them
It gives me some sort of firm ground to stand on if im accused of marketing cigarettes to children etc.
IE Explicitily(Spelt wrong, i know) Stating what the WICKED E-NI does
Im excited by the development, its going to be easier to advertise...Imagine Mr Wicked walks on to your TV screen E-NIINGGGGGGGGGGGGG.
Side steps (possibly) the anti tobacco advertising regulations, ever heard Google or paypal closing an E-NI account??
E.Cig yes, E-NI no
I do understand your alternate view, and the why. It;s not without some merit. But still feel it could end up being a wrong move, even though it seems now to be helpful.
At least remove the 'nicotine' from the name - no need to entwine the two things.
The problem is that nothing will be perfect. These people (ASH, FDA) have a very definate agenda against anything that looks or acts like a cigarette.
I wouldn't have bowed to their crap personally. I'd have stuck with e-cig and told them that if they don't like it then that's just tough titty.
No compromise will be enough IMO. TW are just caving in to the pressure by renaming the product, in effect agreeing with them.
So Pillbox are you going to let others use the name?
I've always called it an electronic nicotine inhaler to people that don't know what it is. Explaining it that way is better than explaining it as a vaporizor imo.
I've always called it an electronic nicotine inhaler to people that don't know what it is. Explaining it that way is better than explaining it as a vaporizor imo.
Yes, getting backed into a situation where vaping becomes in effect an NRT is, as Trog100 also says, a dead-end for vaping; medicalising a lifestyle choice to a disease condition
The latter struck me as funny because for all these years I smoked, of course I ran into idiots who started their sermon (no flame intended toward Christians or religious people) whenever I would light up.
The idea of anti-puffing is what stuck in my head because during those days I had more vision and was able to drive so I was able to see these people clearly and the ones who seemed to be the most vocal were ones who I'm sure would have no choice but to puff to walk a mile let alone run it. I was the smoker yet for years I rode a 10-speed-bike around town on nice days just to get out of the house. I stopped in at friends' houses to visit and would occasionally do a little window shopping or get my favorite coffee at the cafe but I road that bike all over the place and those who screamed about my smoking wouldn't have made it a block on that bike if they could've fit on it to start with yet they were arguing at me about MY health? Yeah, right!
Even to this day some of their faces are as clear in my mind as they were the day I ran into them uptown while I was on my bike and they were riding around in their cars or sitting on their porches.
BTW, since I can't use a regular bike, DH promised he would keep checking for a nice stationary bike to go in the office room (former oldest daughter's room) so I can ride the bike each day when I'm not in a flare. I miss riding my bike. It was so hard to sell it when I moved but when you move to the boonies, there really isn't anywhere to ride to and the drivers on those rural country roads think they own the highway; they seem to forget that rural areas aren't big on setting up bike trails. I've even got lip for walking on the highway with my guide dog because there isn't enough of a shoulder to walk on the side of the road unless we want to walk about 4ft down in a ditch. I have to walk against the traffic not with it so the times I am walking toward town area toward the stoplight to the rip mart up the street, I have to walk on the highway as there is nothing on the side except that 4ft deep ditch (so hubby tells me; he said it could be 5ft but doesn't think so). On the way back, I can sort of go in people's yards but that's not polite so I try to stay up on the road, which is how my guide was taught to lead. If driver's don't like it they can lump it. The ones who cause all the ruckus aren't even people from this little town! Go figure. I've had numerous offers to bring me home with my guide dog too from people who live here. They are extremely sweet people. It's the one reason I fell in love with the place. Not much for nightlife but it's a great place to raise children and have a family environment. I even go to turkey shoots and take my turn shooting at the board with either my Dh or one of his brothers helping me sight so I can fire. I've won several boards over the years. It's all for a good cause even when we all lost on each board. It's for the Lion's Club and the VFW. Both are very worthy causes.
Off topic here, but this brought up a very serious question in my mind and would like some feedback.
Now I was a 2+ pack a day smoker before starting on the ecig over a month ago. I've reduced my intake of analogs to around 5 or 6 a day. I've been using some 11 and some 18mg juice, since I ordered both and, being the 62 year old kid that I am, like changing up between vanilla, chocolate, and some of the berry flavors.
There talking about using 6-12 cartridges a day. On a heavy day I've maybe used three. Most days two or less. I certainly haven't felt the need to have nearly as many hits on my ecig as I took with analogs. I many times just pull it out of my pocket (would love to find a good lanyard) take a hit or two and go back to what I was doing. Now going to a bar and having a few cocktails also adds to my consumption of smoke, but that's pretty normal for any of us smokers.
My question is, have I actually reduced my consumption of nicotine unknowingly? My second question, if my first question is positive, is nicotine as addicting as we've been led to believe. If I'm comfortable in this short a time with taking less nic, is it more the habit that we all fight rather than a need for more and more nicotine. I guess I should get me some of that 0mg juice and test that out. Any ideas?
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