are all 0 nic juices completely void of TH?

[Lance_Wallen]

I have three juices right now and I'm looking to order a number more so I can try some different flavors, etc.

One thing I've noticed is my 0 nic juices have absolutely 0 throat hit whereas my 18mg has a nice hit bordering on harsh when I let it get too hot. Is this always going to be the case or can I do something to fix that? I don't want harsh but I do want to 'feel' the vapor when I inhale, I like the thickness of smoke without the harshness. Could I get the same effect moving to maybe 100% vg and push for extremely high vapor content for the density or do I need 'throat hit' in order to feel it go down?

Any recommendations on fluids/providers would be great. I'm currently lookin at DFWVapor for my juice on this order because I know I'll get it quick since he's like down the street from me

 

[zoiDman]

What is the PG and VG percentages of the e-Liquid you feel is too harsh?

The rule of thumb is

More Nicotine = More TH
More PG = More TH, Less Vapor
More VG = Less TH, More Vapor

 

[studio52]

zoiDman said it all..If looking for a throat hit, pretty much that comes from the nic, no nic, not mcuh if any TH.

 

[Mindfield]

You can add a wee bit of TH by using a cinnamon flavouring, or adding a bit of vodka to your juice (around about 4 drops per 10ml or whatever works best for you). It isn't much but it'll at least give 0nic stuff a wee bit of "presence" as it were. But otherwise, no. Nicotine is almost the entirety of what gives juice its TH.

 

[dormouse]

Nicotine is TH - it is the peppery burning component

You can get fake TH with additive like Flavourart QHIt (FreedomSmokeUSA, OneStopDIYShop, etc) or Vapornine has some other hit additive

You can get throat sensation with the flavorings menthol, mint, ginger, pepper, cinnamon, other spices, some liquor flavors

But real TH is nicotine and PG lets it through better than VG, and heat enhances it

I can even feel a bit of TH from thin 4mg juices and even when I mix 4mg and 0mg. I have gotten my nicotine down that far but 0mg is tough for me alone. I do vape some 0mg in another ecig when I am vaping alot but I really need a stronger flavor for that one (I am using Dekang RY4 and it is too lightly flavored at 0nic)

 

[zoiDman]

Nicotine is TH - it is the peppery burning component

You can get fake TH with additive like Flavourart QHIt (FreedomSmokeUSA, OneStopDIYShop, etc) or Vapornine has some other hit additive

You can get throat sensation with the flavorings menthol, mint, ginger, pepper, cinnamon, other spices, some liquor flavors

But real TH is nicotine and PG lets it through better than VG, and heat enhances it

I can even feel a bit of TH from thin 4mg juices and even when I mix 4mg and 0mg. I have gotten my nicotine down that far but 0mg is tough for me alone. I do vape some 0mg in another ecig when I am vaping alot but I really need a stronger flavor for that one (I am using Dekang RY4 and it is too lightly flavored at 0nic)

Listen to dormouse, This is some good info.

He/She has over 7,400 posts. And probably 7,000 of them are posts like this helping people.

 

[jtpjc]

I've got this herbal eliquid from eliquid4u [dot] co [dot] uk, got it for free via a Dutch reseller in order to do a review. Zero nic and a TH to die for. It even tastes good. And no, I'm not just saying that because I got it for free.

 

[Mindfield]

"Herbal" liquid? Do I assume we're not talking about rosemary and sage?

 

[Dusty_D]

I was happy as a pig in ..... when I dropped my nic down to 0. Stayed that way about a week, then realized something was missing compared to my 8 - 10mg nic juice. Persevered. Missed it some more. Tried PGA, no good. Tried cinnamon oil, no discernible difference. It was the TH component provided by the nic that was missing.

I'm back to the low level of nic that I like, and am staying there.

 

[Lance_Wallen]

well, the "peppery" thing isn't so much waht I'm after. I'm after a feeling of inhaling something other than air. With some of the cigars I used to smoke they werent harsh or peppery at all but the smoke was dense and you had the feeling of inhaling... well, almost like inhaling I dunno "thickness" it was just heavy and not harsh in the slightest. That's what I really want.

The 0nics are 90/10 pg/vg, the slightly harsh one is a crap brand of 100pg with 18mg.

I just ordered a bunch of juice from various suppliers, got some 50/50 with 0 and I think 12mg, and ordered a few other blends with anywhere from 4mg up to 18mg and another 0mg for my wife who doesn't smoke but likes the idea of inhaling a brownie

 

[zoiDman]

well, the "peppery" thing isn't so much waht I'm after. I'm after a feeling of inhaling something other than air. With some of the cigars I used to smoke they werent harsh or peppery at all but the smoke was dense and you had the feeling of inhaling... well, almost like inhaling I dunno "thickness" it was just heavy and not harsh in the slightest. That's what I really want.

The 0nics are 90/10 pg/vg, the slightly harsh one is a crap brand of 100pg with 18mg.

I just ordered a bunch of juice from various suppliers, got some 50/50 with 0 and I think 12mg, and ordered a few other blends with anywhere from 4mg up to 18mg and another 0mg for my wife who doesn't smoke but likes the idea of inhaling a brownie

It sounds like you need a better ballance of PG to VG.

VG with thicken the vapor and make an e-Liquid less harsh. Did you like the 50:50 e-Liquids you ordered?

 

[Lance_Wallen]

dunno, just ordered em today I'll report back when I know more.

One thing I am above all else is methodical and obsessive with any new hobby I pick up. I'll be studying all of the various mixes, effects of flavors, etc until I find exactly what I'm after. In that journey I hope to pick up enough knowledge to be a valuable member of this forum. I'm already itching to create a replaceable battery mod and work on new tank/feeder systems. Ordered a couple of liquinators to see how I like em while I fiddle with some spare parts to make my own toys.

I wish nic wasn't attached to the TH part so much, I'm really hoping thickening up the vapor with more VG will give me the sensation i'm after when I inhale. With the 90/10 0nic I inhale and I feel nothing but the heat. I'd expect something more akin to the inhalation feeling in a sauna but I don't even get that thickness. i'd be happy with that sort of thickness so maybe more VG will fix me up. This is what i've got coming in the next few days.

DFWVapor: 70/30 pg/vg
chocolate fudge brownie 0 nic
Tropical punch 18mg
Irish Cream 8mg.

TVR:
Orange Creamsicle, 50/50, 12mg
Graham Cracker 50/50, 0mg


That gives me 0 to 18mg nic with 70/30 and 50/50 so I'll be able to compare nic levels and vg levels to TH effect, I probably should have gotten multiple blends and nic levels in the same flavor but that would be a little bit of a waste of money if I didn't like the flavor so while not a completely perfect test it'll still give me some useable information. Based on the results I might go with an even heavier vg mix.

I still intend to get some plain VG and plain PG in a large quantity so I can taste it plain and perhaps make my own mixtures and flavors eventually.

 

[ShaunHunting]

Yuck plain can't be that tasty

 

[dormouse]

Just FYI - if you have a 0nic juice you don't like, you could mix it with a juice with nicotine to make a lower nic juice. Like any fruit flavor or dessert flavor with nicotine could be mixed with the 0mg Graham cracker.

I use 0mg 90PG/10VG Gourmet Vapor vanillarum (vanilla w/ caramel and rum) which has a bit of a flavor throat sensation from the rum flavor, and sometimes I mix it with Vapor4Life WOW Vanilla 8mg which is a sweet sharp edged vanilla when it has nicotine. So I end up with a low nicotine juice that has some of the nicotine edge and some of the rum whoosh, with about 4mg nic after I mix. I mix them right in the carto.

BTW the GV sale ends today sometime 8/16 - 50% off with code vapercon


What company is TVR?

 

[Lance_Wallen]

tvr = the vapor room

 

[DC2]

well, the "peppery" thing isn't so much waht I'm after. I'm after a feeling of inhaling something other than air. With some of the cigars I used to smoke they werent harsh or peppery at all but the smoke was dense and you had the feeling of inhaling... well, almost like inhaling I dunno "thickness" it was just heavy and not harsh in the slightest. That's what I really want.

You might get the feeling you are looking for by going to higher voltage.
The vapor is warmer and has a fuller feeling in the throat.

You might also get this effect with lower resistance atomizers, but it is better with higher voltage.

 

[wv2win]

well, the "peppery" thing isn't so much waht I'm after. I'm after a feeling of inhaling something other than air.......

You summed up the problem with the so-called TH "additives" in a nutshell. They really don't provide "good" or "real" throat hit that comes with the combination of nicotine and warmth from better batteries or lower resistence. Some may be fine with the "fake" throat hit but from what you are describing, I think you will be hard pressed to get much TH with 0 nic. Many people have been able to lower their nic level by moving up to 5 volt or variable volt PV's, but I doubt it would help too much at the 0 nic level.

 

[Lance_Wallen]

well, I'm gonna be making a mod soon. Buying an adjustable regulator soon and I'll be going with most likely a 9v RC battery.

 

[MTV]

higher wattage gives me that feeling of inhaling a sauna...try a 6v device with 3ohm cartos = 12 watts...I only use straight tobacco flavors this high...hit's nice and warm...also 50/50 mix gives a room of vapor....this will shorten the life of the cartos so blow them out often and keep them wet...best to use a syringe to refill so there are no dry spots

 

[Anthlee]

Try adding caramel flavoring. That stuff is generally thick "feeling", I like to add a few drops to Menthol flavors to give it that little extra "weighty feel".