Are clearos > tanks for flavor?

[footbag]

I've been using my kanger clearos and my Vivi Nova tank with my vamo. The flavor from the clearos is much much better.

I see lots of people rebuilding tanks. If I were to look for another tank or rebuild my vivi nova, can it equal the clearo in flavor? The tank reads 3.4 ohms. Should I try a lower ohm coil? I do keep the wattage low on it or else it gives me a burnt taste.

Would a different tank work better? Or should I just stick to clearos?

 

[volume control]

The Vivi Nova is really a clearo. If you want more flavor you need a cartotank or a dripping setup imo

 

[footbag]

If the vivi nova is a clearo, shouldn't it produce similar flavor as the kanger clearo?

I'm very happy with the kanger clearo flavor. Trying to replicate that with the vivi nova has been tough.

 

[InTheShade]

I've been using my kanger clearos and my Vivi Nova tank with my vamo. The flavor from the clearos is much much better.

I see lots of people rebuilding tanks. If I were to look for another tank or rebuild my vivi nova, can it equal the clearo in flavor? The tank reads 3.4 ohms. Should I try a lower ohm coil? I do keep the wattage low on it or else it gives me a burnt taste.

Would a different tank work better? Or should I just stick to clearos?

What you are calling a tank is actually classed as a clearomizer too. A tank is really a carto-tank.

So if you are vaping a 3.4ohm coil head with low watts then I am not that surprised you have less flavor than in your other clearos. If you are getting a burnt taste, it's probably due more to poor wicking than the high resistance of the head.

Notice the wicks dangle into the juice and so you have to twirl it a little to make sure they are kept wet at all times - other wise you get those horrible dry hits.

You could definitely try to rebuild it at a lower resistance - I use my vivi novas around 2 - 2.2 ohms at around 7.5 to 8 watts (about 3.8 to 4.0 volts roughly) with few issues. As your juice gets lower, top it off - that also helps.

Finally when you are rebuilding them, I've found that 1mm wicks are better than 2mm wicks - this really helps as it increases the surface area for the juice. So in my mine, I put 3 X 1mm wicks making a total of 6 thinner wicks to soak up that juice.

And I know you didn't ask, but Volume Control is correct, a dripping setup will give more flavor - but that might be for a different thread.

 

[vjc0628]

Vivi is a clearo

I have found kangers have been the best clearo

but recently got into the carto tank's with boge carto's

it takes flav to the next leval

 

[volume control]

No because its a top coil clearo as opposed to bottom coil in the Kanger. I think the Kanger clearos beat the Novas in flavor personally. A tank is simply something to hold your juice, so if you were speaking based on purely definition anything you use is basically a tank. However usually when someone mentions tank its referring to a cartotank, or rebuildable atomizer tank system such as the AgaT

 

[volume control]

Vivi is a clearo

I have found kangers have been the best clearo

but recently got into the carto tank's with boge carto's

it takes flav to the next leval

Yupppp, cartotank with a boge is where I am too. Amazing flavor and vapor.


And Aglet, cartotanks are better for flavor as well. You pull your air through all that juice soaked filler just picking up that flavor. I find them to be only slightly muted in comparison to a dripper, especially with the use of a shorter drip tip

 

[InTheShade]

If the vivi nova is a clearo, shouldn't it produce similar flavor as the kanger clearo?

I'm very happy with the kanger clearo flavor. Trying to replicate that with the vivi nova has been tough.

I didn't include this in my post but...

The main differences are where the wicks are. In a vivi nova the wicks dangle into the juice and wick up to the coil. In the Kanger clearos (unless it's a T2) the wicks are submerged in the juice making dry hits next to impossible. However, you might have more flooding issues with the Kanger bottom coil than with the vivi nova system.

And to be clear, the flavor difference is because you are getting dry hits so you turn your wattage down.

 

[Fenris4024]

I'm part of the boge/ cartotank crowd as well... I DO have some Kanger EVOD clearos that I keep on hand for when I want a small bit of a certain liquid, but after the cartotanks, to me they don't have the same flavor... it does seem muted a bit. I'll maybe try rebuilding a few EVOD heads using microcoils and cotton, just to see if I get better flavor....(The BCC kangers also just seem to be a muuuuuuch easier rebuild for me as well)

I've noticed much the same though, OP. I don't know which clearos you're running (as you never specified) but to me, while the vapor is certainly warmer, and generally a better throat hit out of a top coil clear (Vivi nova style), the flavor seems much more muted. Might have to do with the longer wicks, I dunno. I used them for a bit, then moved to the Kanger EVODS and protanks.

Now if only I can get as good of a flavor out of a submersible RBA (Killer 705/ diver style) I'd be set.

 

[footbag]

Aha. Thanks for the info. The puzzle pieces are coming together.

Aglet, your post described the things I was thinking well. I'm thinking that my ohms may be a bit high, and my juice isn't being delivered fast enough. I have two vivi novas and I havent checked the ohms on the second. Maybe it'll be slightly lower and let me test the hypothesis.

I'm not going to say the idea of rebuilding them isn't appealing to me. I'm a gadgety diy-er. But I did have higher expectations of it out of the box.

Should I be looking into carto tanks?

I think an automated dripping solution will be out of my budget and a bit larger then I'd like. When I got the vamo, I was thinking it was bigger then I expected.

 

[InTheShade]

The vivi novas can be a great clearo. I have 4 of them and use them occasionally now. Back in the day I used them almost exclusively.

They can be finicky, the main thing is to twirl that thing like a band-leader would twirl a baton. I mean maybe skip the throwing it up in the air part, but you really have to keep it moving to keep those wicks wet. Once you keep those wicks wet, you can turn up your wattage and enjoy the flavor.
The flavor of a vivi nova compares to that of an EVOD, protank or CE5 in my experience - once you get the wicking part sorted out. In fact I prefer the warmer vape of the vivi nova over that of the protank.

It might also be affected by the juice you are using. Anything greater than a 50/50 (PG/VG) would wick poorly in a top coil clearo. I tried a 20/80 mix and had poor results.

Stick with it, you'll get there.

 

[footbag]

Well. Based on the comments, Ill be looking into a carto tank setup. Thanks to all.

 

[vjc0628]

Well. Based on the comments, Ill be looking into a carto tank setup. Thanks to all.

I had Got the F16 from vapor beast as a cheep way to see what the carto tank is like (and its been great)

I will get my next tank from IBtanked for sure

 

[Bmwmom2002]

What carto tank is best to use on an Ego Twist. I really want to try something new. I've been using Kanger T3 exclusively, but interested in trying a new look.

 

[volume control]

For a cheap start into carto tanks this is what i did

Tank

AGR Cartomizer Tank

Cartos

BOGE 510 LR PrePunched Cartomizers

I used it for about a week and fell in love, and then i bought a 22mm standard length IBTanked tank. Here is a picture of it, because i LOVE posting it, its sexy




My new tank is from here

22mm Cartomizer Tank

Also i use a custom shorty drip tip to get a little more warmth from the vape, it was made by Drip Tip Designz

Drip Tip Designz - Drip Tip Designz

I found one i liked on the site, emailed him and asked him to make one half size. Had it within 3 days, great service


Good luck with your search!

 

[footbag]

I just tested the ohms of my unused vivi nova. 5.1? Is that possible?

If I'm understanding this correctly, that would operate better with a higher voltage but would require very rapid juice delivery.

The unused vivi novas coil seems slightly looser wound, so that may be better. But I dont see much about coils in that range.

Is it possible I just got some bad novas? They are from fastech, and I know opinions vary on them.

When they talk about v2 and v3, are these improved versions of what I got with my Vamo?

I'm sure Ill still be tinkering with these while I shop for some new hardware.

 

[volume control]

Fasttech novas/heads/clearos/cartos have ALL been WAYYYY off in ohms, and generally work like crap...

 

[footbag]

Fasttech novas/heads/clearos/cartos have ALL been WAYYYY off in ohms, and generally work like crap...

This is all making more sense. Thanks.

 

[Fenris4024]

Best thing you can do as for Nova heads, is learn to rebuild them yourself... it can have a slight learning curve, but you can get the satisfaction of getting the vape you want by getting the ohms you want on the coil... I'm not sure of the nova head prices on FT, but truthfully, once you get used to doing rebuilds, depending on the wick material you use, you can rebuild them for about $0.10.

And they don't take you over a week to clear customs and get here (not FT's fault, that's all customs)

Cartotanks, I highly recommend the IBTanked ones... super solid, with a lot of thought put into their design, with the added benefit of nothing you vape in them can hurt them. (Some liquids can outright melt a Polycarbonate clearo). If you want a "safe vape tank" that won't leech or crack or melt, I can also recommend Valley View Vapes. Great prices, and you can always get one of the economy tanks if you're not ready to leap into the glass end of the pool.

Since he hasn't poked his head in yet (I don't think...) I'll post you a link to Baditude's awesome how-to guide for carto tanks:
Baditude Style Tank-fu

Hope this of help to you, and keep on vaping and stay strong!

 

[STLJohnny]

I just got into carto tanks myself and this is what I have learned. A tank is a tank. Some has extra features like fill holes on the top or side. Pyrex glass or plastic, locking caps and of course aesthetics. Where you are going to succeed or fail is in your carto, with amount of holes needed and how you prime you cart. Higher VG thicker juices need more holes or slots and higher PG thinner juices you can get away with just one hole. If you punch them yourself you need to be careful not to crush the carto and position them correctly.
How well your carto will perform has a lot to do with how well you prime it and dont flood it or leave it dry.
Its a learning experience but one I believe will push my evods out the door.

This is all JMO from a new carto user but again its what I have taken away. Baditude is a great person to look up and read his blogs.