Are e-cigs safe for the throat?

[want to quit]

You said due to my user ID I may be pro smoking so I just told you that my user Id has nothing to do with my opinion( even though "want to quit" should be anything but pro smoking but you seem to have issues understanding that). Second of all you don't need to filter every freaking word I say use your brain. Of course air doesn't cause cancer and that was not the point (even though in some places even smock will cause cancer).

We can talk and talk and talk but whatever I say you take it negative or you think I try to get you away from vaping which I am not trying to do all I am saying is if you really think vaping is as harmless as eating ice cream then you know what keep living in your small world and we are all happy. You make a thread and ask people for their opinion and I GAVE YOU MY FREAKING OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I make it one more time clear to you that everything I say IS MY OPINION AND MY OPINION ONLY I do not think that vaping is healthy I just think it's a healthier option to smoking. And again if you want to think that it does not harm your body then so be it.

Also I have asthma and if I say that after 16 years of smoking I have health issues then guess what SO BE IT! I was hardly able to breath without an inhaler in the morning, I could hardly make any sport due to smoking with my asthma. Now with vaping I have not touched an inhaler since April I can run 2miles without losing my breath and I am happy.

You coming here and telling me that I cannot have health issues due to "only" smoking for 16 years that is not only rude it is disrespectful in every way.

This will be my last post on your thread keep living in your world and do me a favor if you make a thread for discussion be ready for people saying things that may not work in your world. Really sorry I tried to stay calm but it just ain't working with you no matter what I say you try to see something negative or try to talk down to me. I never said its a fact that it's harmful I just told you that I THINK it is not healthy its just a better option to smoking.

 

[AlmightyGod]

Yeah...

Vaping hasn't been proven to be safer than smoking, let alone safe period.

(As I vape on my Monkeyboxx VV.)

 

[Drewps5co0tt]

LMAO dude you said that if I thought vaping was not hurting myself that I was fooling myself and to continue living "in my own little world." I'm going to ask you AGAIN...where are you getting your information from that says vapining is harming someones health? I'm calling you out on what you said, instead of showing proof of the claim you are dancing around circles and doing everything else you possibly can to take the attention off of you and put it on me. I'm not the only one that has commented on what you have said, I just had the balls to ask you flat out to prove what you are saying.

Apparently you are unable to prove it, so that makes me the most "ridiculous person you have come across on the forums?" Interesting...

Yes I asked for opinions but when someone is making such bold statements as you have made, it's only natural that someone is going to ask you for proof to back it up! Apparently you have no proof, it's just an opinion you have and that's fine, but don't make statements that sound like it's a known fact to the world that vaping is dangerous to ones health like cigarettes are when that is not the case nor is there any proof to back that up. Just sayin...

Now you like my post? LMAO

 

[Drewps5co0tt]

Yeah...

Vaping hasn't been proven to be safer than smoking, let alone safe period.

(As I vape on my Monkeyboxx VV.)

Are you serious? I didn't realize that anyone had to prove that vapin was safer then inhaling tar and 4,000 chems? Do we really need to do a study on that?

Also, I don't believe anyone has proven that they are not safer then cigarettes. The fact is the FDA doens't want to invest the time and money to research them because in the end, they will only be taking away from all those tax dollars (both on the federal, state and local levels.)

I'm all up for discussion, my issue is this guy is making claims (NOT OPINIONS) that vapin causes harm to ones health. I merely asked him to prove it, he's unable to do so.

 

[want to quit]

We can talk about this for years but let me try to make it easy for you. Smoking kills your body, your lungs, and at one point you probably get cancer. Vaping on the other hand is a "healthier" alternative which doesn't mean it's not harmful. If that wasn't clear for you or you thought vaping is healthly then you have two option.

Option A: Go back to smoking if you think its better for you

Option B: Quit both vaping and smoking which would be the best way to go anyways.

If you don't think you are addicted to nicotine you may try your luck at 0mg nic and give that a shot.

With all the flavors out there it's easy to think that vaping is just a fun game that doesn't cause any harm but that is not true and everyone knows it. Now keep enjoying your PV it is by far a trillion times "Healthier" then any cigarette you ever smoked.

Talk to a Doctor and ask him "doctor is it healthy to inhale any sort of vapor from e-cig?" nothing that you inhale is healthy it's common sense if you ask me. If I walk around Atlanta the crap that I have to inhale due to the smock here is unhealthy no one in the world thinks that e-cig's are healthy they are just a HEALTHIER alternative. If you or anyone thinks different then so be it.

If my user ID was I eat kids then you would think I eat kids? I really don't try to be rude but if you really think that vaping is healthy and won't cause any harm to your body at all then please stay in your wonder world land and it's all good. You made a thread for discussion and here I am giving you my opinion.

I smoked for 16 years of my life and my lungs are in horrible condition my overall health was in horrible condition so I tried to find something that is healthier for me then smoking and I found it in vaping. I love vaping because it offers me the privilege to still "smoke" without all the crap that is in cigarettes. I am just telling you that you need to open your eyes and realize that nothing that you inhale into your lungs is HEALTHY!!!!!!!!!

Your doctor told you "Go for it" most likely because she knows ANYTHING IS BETTER THEN SMOKING CIGARETTES and shes right of course go for it vaping is a trillion times better then smoking, however, IT IS NOT 100% HEALTHY because you are still inhaling something.

Tell me where in my post did I make claims I just told you my freaking opinion. Boy you make me really upset time to go back to my monkeyboxx.

I deleted the part that you are the most ridiculous person I met on here even though it's true. Now I am out you killing me.

 

[Drewps5co0tt]

You didn't post it as an opinion, you posted it like it was a known fact and that if I believed that they were not healthy for me that I was foolin myself. That's a pretty bold statement there buddy lol. I'm not mad at you but as you can see I love a good debate. It's all good...

BTW I'm smokin on my Magma with cotton candy, I hope I'm not harming myself.

 

[zoiDman]

PG and VG are in foods and other thinks we eat daily...if it was dangerous for you the FDA would have taken care of that long ago man...I think you are looking for problems where there are none.

One thing that I have heard Too many times on this forum...

"If it is Safe to eat then it is Safe to Vape."

Please, Please don't tell me you Actually believe this or that it is a Basis for some line of thought.

 

[Drewps5co0tt]

I would think that's a pretty safe bet lol. It's just warm steam...people breath in steam when taking a shower, etc...

 

[Levitas]

...sigh...

First of all, the FDA GRAS (generally recongized as safe) ingredients are proven to be safe when ingested, not inhaled. Of course if they were poisonous, they'd be gone. You can eat a carrot but can you inhale one?

Second, if want to quit has a strong opinion, and it happens to be that he believes that vaping isn't 100% healthy, then so what? Why must he bring evidence supporting his opinion? Why does that make any difference to you? If he believes it, does it make you feel less confident in your own opinion? If his statement comes off as, there is no other opinion but his own, then perhaps what you need is scientific evidence proving his opinion invalid.

AG said it, no one knows how dangerous vaping is for sure, in a long term spectrum. One can say that, "Well, I've been vaping for 5 years, and I'm feeling great! So, obviously there is nothing wrong with vaping and it will in no way hinder my health in the future." But that would be ignorant. Of course I wish it IS true! But we have no way of knowing for sure yet.

Yes, it's clear that cigarettes are absolutely terrible and that without the combustion contributing the thousands of chemicals into our lungs, it seems an obvious choice that vaping is just safer. But, what if in 10 years of straight vaping, your liver just completely shuts down (there is no evidence of this, I am merely making an example, nothing more...) and you die before you can receive any health. This is not me trying to use a scare tactic, nor am I saying that I am qualified to makes such presumptions. All I am saying is, until it is proven to be safe, there's no for sure saying that vaping is healthy let alone (here comes the flame) safer than a cigarette *ducks from books flying at my head*

It is in my opinion that vaping is safer than cigarettes, but I cannot say that 100% for sure for long term vaping, because I have no clue.

 

[zoiDman]

I would think that's a pretty safe bet lol. It's just warm steam...people breath in steam when taking a shower, etc...

This is what is kind of childish about some of the arguments made in this thread.

Perhaps if you did a little more research to just what is in e-Liquids and just what is in vapor produced by e-Cigarettes and just how much of this vapor the body absorbs and Doesn’t absorb, you wouldn’t post simplistic things like this.

 

[Sandrita]

Nobody knows for sure the health affects of vaping but one thing that is sure is it is a a lot better than smoking analogs!

 

[nola]

When you eat something it goes through a process of digestion with juices in the stomach and intestines that break it down. When you inhale you don't have that. So if it is safe to vape-who knows-but it's gotta be safer than analogs-right?

 

[Marb]

Side-stepping this little debate...

Anyone know of any other ingredient lists?
http://www.v2cigs.com/templates/__custom/v2_ingredients_list.pdf

I started on a V2 and quickly started refilling when I realized how much cheaper it was... however, you can bet your .... that I looked at their list and wondered if there was stuff in there that didn't need to be and/or stuff they're not listing (to protect their recipe or something).

 

[Hellen A. Handbasket]

If it isn't testing done by an independent lab, you won't really know if it all is listed or not.

Most of the Chinese mfgs have certifications (tested by independent labs) with the ingredient list. YN Dekang has GMP and ISO 9001:2008 and also CE , ROHS ,SGS, Germany LFGB test, Nontoxic testing reports etc on all their products. They also contacted the FDA and last I heard they were in the process of applying for FDA certification.
http://www.yndekang.com/certificate.asp

On the Boge website they have GMP Codex Alimentarius Good Manufacturing Practice, General Principles of Food Hygiene CAC/RCP-1-1969,Rew.4(2003), KFDA South Korea FDA, German Food and Feed Code (Lebensmittel - Bedarfsgegenstande-und Futtermittelgesetzbuch (LFGB)), ISO9001:2008, ISO13485:2003, Canada CAMDCAS, European MSDS Certification, European CE Certification, RoHS Certification, and Yunnan toxicology clinical studies listed
Certification for electronic cigarettes, e cigarette -- Boge Tecnnolgy

Of course, the FDA tested several Chinese liquids as well when they were trying to end vaping as we know it (nice Fail FDA!).

As far as US or European liquid I don't think any of them have much in the way of certifications but they can have lab reports (which I'd trust more than just any old an ingredient list). There were only two that I could find:
Totally Wicked: Lab Reports / E Liquid Facts / E Cigarettes and E Liquid from Totally Wicked
Intellicig: http://www.intellicig.com/images/pdf/ECOpureReport2009-04-14.pdf

Rolygate makes good points about concerns about ingredients in liquid here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ing/150413-e-liquid-analysis.html#post2435009

 

[zees09]

This is the way i look at it. We will all die eventually, and vaping is the lesser of 2 evils. Even though there is is no long term study on the effects of vaping, i am perfectly fine being the ginuea pig for future vapers. My gut tells me that vaping is for sure not as bad as smoking. Besides, once you find your sweet spot with vaping and vaping materials, i find it much more satisfying/desirable versus smoking. Smoking smoke from a cig is NOT the only thing we are harmfully inhaling, 2 measly carcinogens probably does not equate to the X amount of other carcinogins we inhale in a daily basis. Cars, factories, and other ozone related BS in the air gets into our respitory system no matter what you do. Point is, we will all eventually meet our own demise, its up to us to try and find the safest/lesser of two evils before we meet that demise.

 

[VapPornRules]

Exactly. I also believe that vaping is much better than smoking. BUT people who think it is actually healthy are deluding themselves. Nicotine is poison people. As far as I know, this is the first time in human history that PG, VG, and food coloring are being inhaled at such massive rates. It may be decades before we know the effects. Your lungs are built to breath AIR and nothing else.

Even worse are the people who say "if it was not safe the government would ban it". This is the OPPOSITE of the attitude you should be taking. The government is not your mother. You should be free to choose what you do -- even if it is unsafe. Educate yourself to the risks as best you can, and make a decision based on that.

My decision is to vape for the foreseeable future, but I would rather NOT vape if I can quit also. Based on the information I have, it seems logical that it is much safer than smoking.

Remember -- smoking was also once thought of as healthy!

 

[fray]

I am confused why the OP started with a question about whether e cigs were safe then halfway through the thread became some sort of expert to tell people they are wrong.

Lack of evidence that they are unsafe does not mean they are safe.

As far as trusting the FDA and/or government, how many FDA approved drugs have turned out to be killers? Just watch daytime TV and see how many class action lawsuits against FDA approved drugs come up during commercials.

 

[Uncle Willie]

I am confused why the OP started with a question about whether e cigs were safe then halfway through the thread became some sort of expert to tell people they are wrong.

It appears he's been using a PV prior to initiating this thread ..

 

[want to quit]

Glad some people jumped in I really thought for a minute that I am alone with this.

 

[zoiDman]

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Lack of evidence that they are unsafe does not mean they are safe.

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I think is a Huge concept.

I also think that sometimes people forget that there is HUGE money involved. And when there is Huge money involved, Scientific Facts and Health Risks are sometimes skewed.

Good or Bad. Right or Wrong. Healthy or Unhealthy. Many times these concepts takes a back seat to the Love of Money.

Consider the role that Money plays in these Three areas. Government. Business. Science

The government views e-Cigs as a revenue stream for taxation. But they can't completely buy off on e-Cigs without Regulating it and that involves many agencies and elected officials.

Elected officials are driven by Only two factors. The ability to raise money to be re-elected. And the ability to tell more people what they want to hear to get re-elected. So how to tax something and get money for re-elections?

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Big Business couldn't give a damn if e-Cigs are Good, Bad or Indifferent. As long as THEY are the ones selling it at a profit. From the people who brought you Cigarettes or Asbestos or Aspartame. Well, I think their track record speaks for its self. Money and Profits First. Public Safety if we get caught and it's Cheaper to change it.

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The Scientific community Should be the ones who are Impartial. But unfortunately they depend on funding to do Science. And funding almost always comes for a group that wants a result favoring their agenda. You just can't do too many studies showing that something is bad and expect the funders to keep funding when they want results that show it is good.

They're going to take their funding elsewhere and to someone who will present results they want.

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So we may not really know or be told if e-Cigs are Safe or if they are not. Because who are they people who will determine if they are safe?

The Government. Big Business and the Scientific Community