Are Mechanical Mods Going the Way of the Dodo Bird?

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If I had to choose one or the other it would definitely be a mech. If I had to choose one atty it would be a rebuildable dripper. There's just a lot less that can go wrong with them. Not only that, but IMO, there is no computery device out there that has the overall elegance of even the simplest looking mechs. OK... The Billet Box... but it's neither mechanical nor regulated or even computery. It does have a circuit board so I t's certainly more fragile than a decently made mech though. Still... even though my Billet Box is my favorite device I would blindly choose any of my mechs over it if I had to choose only one mod.


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Here's what I posted in a very similar thread two weeks ago:
The reasons I bought my first mech are still valid today, so I don't see them disappearing completely.

1. Simple, no electronics to fail
2. Simple, easily cleaned/maintained
3. They look great.

I will add that with a mech, you are the safety, you have to know your builds and your batteries. Not all mech users are good mech users. There was a big push towards mechs about a year ago, B&Ms started selling clones and all of the sudden new vapers were jumping from cigalikes/egos to mechs and rdas, with little to no education. Regulated mods(box or otherwise) do offer some built in safety features, knowing batteries and builds is less important(though should still not be overlooked), to get a decent vape. The big BUT is, you're placing a lot of faith in the manufacturers of those regulated mods. That was fine when one would cost you $300, was a fairly limited run with high QC, but now they're running $50 and being mass produced and we get things like the cloupor mini. What was that old school box mod with a built in battery that kept catching on fire, the gripper?

Stick around the vaping world for awhile, you'll notice there are a lot of "next best things."

P.S. with a ~1ohm build, an AFC RDA, and a couple of drip tips, I can "adjust" my mech to vape 99% of juices and have them taste fantastic, all day long, on a single battery.
 

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No problem, but you seem to have read much more into my post than I wrote. :laugh:




What I WAS trying to point out to our OP is that People that have been using mechanical mods and have taken the time to learn the things they need to know to use them safely and properly are likely not going to walk into a B&M and ask - Can you build me a coil?


Makes perfect sense, my apologies for misconstruing your previous post! I'm blaming the pain pills. I totally get what your saying now and I'll shut up for awhile ;)
 

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Not really a thread designed for the mech forum, this is a general APV Q!

By throwing this into the Mechmods subforum it will certainly skew the responses...

Well, you did title the thread specifically about mech mods and this is where the people who really know mech mods tend to hang out.
 

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If I had to choose one or the other it would definitely be a mech. If I had to choose one atty it would be a rebuildable dripper. There's just a lot less that can go wrong with them. Not only that, but IMO, there is no computery device out there that has the overall elegance of even the simplest looking mechs. OK... The Billet Box... but it's neither mechanical nor regulated or even computery. It does have a circuit board so I t's certainly more fragile than a decently made mech though. Still... even though my Billet Box is my favorite device I would blindly choose any of my mechs over it if I had to choose only one mod.


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The Billet Box *is* regulated... just voltage, but still... regulated mod.

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Exactly. I love pizza, I love steak, I love salmon, but that doesn't mean I want to eat any of them every single day. There are all sorts of reasons to want to use a mech, and if you use a Kick, you even get a bit of safety, and somewhat of the abilty to regulate your vape to how you like it best -- though minus a bit of convenience, naturally, since it's more troublesome to open the mod and adjust a kick with a screwdriver, than push a button or two -- but once you know the wattage you prefer, then a mech+kick provides the same customizability as a regulated mod.

Kicks cost about $12-$15 (for the Smok ones -- the eVolv ones do cost a lot more), so when the electronics on the kick die, you toss it and replace it with a new $12-$15 kick -- much cheaper than replacing the whole mod because one itty bitty thing on a circuit board died. If you always vape below 15w, you don't need the more expensive eVolv Kicks. If you prefer to vape that way, you don't need the ability to sub-ohm, and you sure don't need a >50w mod. But, if you vape using a kick in a mech, but one day take a wild hair to try out sub-ohm vaping, just take the kick out, and voila, now you can sub-ohm -- if your batteries support that kind of amp draw. (But, I'm checking steam-engine, and a coil at .5 ohm, with the battery's nominal voltage of 3.7, is still only drawing 7.4 amps, easily within the ability of any 10A battery -- as just about any IMR 18650 would be -- you could even go to .4Ω and be within 10A; you wouldn't need the higher amp batteries unless you wanted to go to .3Ω or less.)

If you just can't be bothered to even try and understand battery safety, then yeah, a regulated is much better -- but even with those, if you're planning on actually using some of those astronomical wattages, you'd better know what your battery can safely deliver.

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thats your opinion and your entitled to it........to use a kick with a mech is a total waste imo especially now when there are so many devices available that will regulate lower wattages......as for using high wattage devices to me it's a pure pleasure just as well as low wattage devices i do like the gambit and choose not to limit my choices.....and my battery/build choices are always on par w/ohms law.....i love my Mec's and my high wattage devices and i know how to use them in a safe manner....have a good day.
 

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I know my local "favorite" B&M sold a boatload of Fasttech-sourced $20-ish mech mods and 20a 18650s to "inexperienced" vapers between October and Christmas, thanks to a shortage of affordable or portable regulated mods that could fire the Atlantis and it's competition. People that didn't want to step up to even Sigelei or Cana DNA30 clone prices at the time, or deal with the bulky units or both.

These people had no interest in coil building at ALL, they just wanted to fire an Atlantis for the thick vapor, and are happy to simply swap heads when they wear out.

They have also had a bit of a bonanza selling higher VG and lower nicotine juices to this new subtank market and are selling more premium juices as well now that the "new vapers" can actually taste more of the vapor. Oddly enough, they didn't sell too many of the Aspire CF Subohm tubes as they thought they would.
 

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The Billet Box *is* regulated... just voltage, but still... regulated mod.

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By the dictionary definition it definitely is! I used to be a flashlight nut, so I think of a regulated device as one that utilizes a circuit keeping the output the same through the usable life of the battery... At least until the last bit of batt life. "regulated" = consistent output / not diminishing as the battery drains. That is the difference between regulated and non regulated flashlights. A flashlight with a simple potentiometer on it would control output to the bulb, but it would still not be considered a "regulated flashlight." ...while even the simplest kangertech evod would be considered a regulated device. The BB drops in output to the coil as I vape just like my mechs. I assumed that in the vaping world there is a difference between "Regulated" and "VV/VW" but they are often found together these days.


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i'll never trust any local B&M after the experience i had when i first started Vaping about a yr ago.....the person working there tried to sell me some 8amp batteries to low-subohm with, if it wasn't for this forum i might have gotten into trouble...experience over time with this forum to educate me on safety has saved my bacon and all the great folks who contribute to this wonderful hobby of ours......now with all the new gear it seems there has become a lack of safety or less info being offered at B&M"S and thats scary....sorry to go off-topic a bit but i think it's important we stay educated....just my :2c:
 

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thats your opinion and your entitled to it........to use a kick with a mech is a total waste imo especially now when there are so many devices available that will regulate lower wattages.....

There could be any number of reasons she'd want to use a mech with a kick at 15W. To say it's a "waste" is a little narrow-minded. Maybe she prefers high PG...Maybe she doesn't like the way eGo batteries have a maximum vape time of 7 seconds or whatever...?

Here's one example of a good reason: A VV eGo battery might give you roughly the same vape as a 15w kick in a mech-mod, but... a mech mod with a 2500mAh and a 15w kick will last damn near forever, and when the charge finally does start to fade off, it takes seconds to swap the battery out. An eGo battery is out of commission for HOURS while it charges in your USB port. :laugh:
 

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thats your opinion and your entitled to it........to use a kick with a mech is a total waste imo especially now when there are so many devices available that will regulate lower wattages......as for using high wattage devices to me it's a pure pleasure just as well as low wattage devices i do like the gambit and choose not to limit my choices.....and my battery/build choices are always on par w/ohms law.....i love my Mec's and my high wattage devices and i know how to use them in a safe manner....have a good day.

Wrong. Kicked 18350 Mechanical and Kayfun Nano is very stealthy. Much smaller than most Mini Boxes, less chance of failing than an iStick and a Much better Vape than an Ego/Clearo.
Your response should read - For ME...bla bla bla......

Trust me, I can hide my Mini Mech much better than a Vapor Flask. I also DIY a Blend for LOW vapor for those times. :)

There are times and applications for most equipment available. It depends on user need and preference.
 

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By the dictionary definition it definitely is! I used to be a flashlight nut, so I think of a regulated device as one that utilizes a circuit keeping the output the same through the usable life of the battery... At least until the last bit of batt life.

I don't know the BilletBox and I could be wrong here, but I think they are using a DC-DC converter which will keep the power stable until the battery is almost drained. They certainly should be doing that as the technology is so inexpensive and so good these days.
 

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When I stepped up from a 3.7v regulated eGo using my Protank 2 minis to a 15w APV set at 8 watts using eh 1.6 ohm heads, The difference was night and day. 1.6ohms @ 3.7v should be ~8.5w, yet the regulated mod seemed to "hit harder" than the egos. maybe I was bumping up against some kind of amp limit in the ego forcing it to regulate down (2.3 amps, i wouldn't think so, but i dont know).
 

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By the dictionary definition it definitely is! I used to be a flashlight nut, so I think of a regulated device as one that utilizes a circuit keeping the output the same through the usable life of the battery... At least until the last bit of batt life. "regulated" = consistent output / not diminishing as the battery drains. That is the difference between regulated and non regulated flashlights. A flashlight with a simple potentiometer on it would control output to the bulb, but it would still not be considered a "regulated flashlight." ...while even the simplest kangertech evod would be considered a regulated device. The BB drops in output to the coil as I vape just like my mechs. I assumed that in the vaping world there is a difference between "Regulated" and "VV/VW" but they are often found together these days.


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The BB does have "variable voltage"... not sure why yours drops, or how the BB really works, beyond a basic understanding of it, but you might check the BB thread and ask them if it's supposed to drop that way. I don't think it is, but I don't have one, so I can't say for sure.

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There could be any number of reasons she'd want to use a mech with a kick at 15W. To say it's a "waste" is a little narrow-minded. Maybe she prefers high PG...Maybe she doesn't like the way eGo batteries have a maximum vape time of 7 seconds or whatever...?

Here's one example of a good reason: A VV eGo battery might give you roughly the same vape as a 15w kick in a mech-mod, but... a mech mod with a 2500mAh and a 15w kick will last damn near forever, and when the charge finally does start to fade off, it takes seconds to swap the battery out. An eGo battery is out of commission for HOURS while it charges in your USB port. :laugh:

i hear ya but you missed the point,there are devices built just for this purpose today....and i meant no disrespect or narrow-mindness.....good day!

Wrong. Kicked 18350 Mechanical and Kayfun Nano is very stealthy. Much smaller than most Mini Boxes, less chance of failing than an iStick and a Much better Vape than an Ego/Clearo.
Your response should read - For ME...bla bla bla......

Trust me, I can hide my Mini Mech much better than a Vapor Flask. I also DIY a Blend for LOW vapor for those times. :)

There are times and applications for most equipment available. It depends on user need and preference.


All of y'all make good points; I don't have any eGos, but I do have 3 iTaste vv3s; only 800mah on those, though they do have the pass-thru feature; I also have a Sigelei Zmax and a Vamo v2. The whole point is, I use several different types of technology for vaping, because I wanted an understanding of a good slice of vape technology. I don't sub-ohm at all, so I really have no use for an un-Kicked mech -- but I want mechs in my line-up for a couple of good reasons -- they gave me a reason, a need, to learn as much as possible about battery safety, and, they're my bulwark against vapocalypse -- they'll still work even when the Kicks finally die; if ever I am unable to get more Kicks, or more electronic mods, I'll still have a functional vaping device (actually 2 of them, once my new one gets here), and having used a mech for a while and gotten familiar with it, I won't be a hazard to myself or my home/family if I find myself in that mech-only situation.

And yes, mechs are also usually smaller, and some are very nice looking -- the one I'm currently awaiting is a Smok Galileo, and the first time I laid eyes on that, I knew I had to have it. :D Mechs also don't limit you to a 10-second puff -- yes, I certainly understand that this can make them dangerous, in the event of auto-fire, pocket-fire, etc, but that's why I learned a lot about them for 6 months before getting my first -- I understand the precautions necessary with that lack of auto-shutoff, and the need for the locking feature if ever the thing goes anywhere but my desk.

I do use very high PG, 80%-85%; I do not chase clouds whatever with ejuice like that, nor do I want to -- sometimes even my thin PG vapor annoys my husband, if we're watching TV, though it's nice in the small confines of our pickup truck, I can vape with the windows up and not fog it up; also, I do not want a very hot vape -- I have my current Kick set to 9.5w, and if ever I am constrained to nothing but my 2 mechs (if the vapocalypse becomes real), I'll have to build some very high resistance coils and use long driptips, to prevent burning my mouth; the high resistance coils will also prevent me from running right thru my battery life.

So, maybe to some, using a Kick in a mech is a "waste" -- I personally find sub-ohming and high (>20w) wattage ridiculous, but others find those useful, so who am I to judge. I like having a wide range of options, and I like having tools that I know will keep working for many years, even if someday I have to modify my use of them -- and I like knowing that even if the FDA goes bonkers and hands vaping over wholesale to BT, I won't be restricted to "closed system" cartos. They can kiss my hiney, I'll keep vaping more or less as I'm accustomed. :D

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Nope. Mechs are alive and always will be.

Some of us prefer a sturdy NON electronic power source that you can change a battery in quickly when desired. Personally I alternate two mechs with RTAs coiled at .8 ohms throughout the day and with Samsung 25Rs in 'em they last all day. I swap batteries at dinner time.

Just because the "cool kids" at the local cloud store are going gonzo for box mods means nothing...I've never even set foot inside a "vape shop" nor do I intend to. I buy my hardware on the interwebz and DIY all my own juice...I like rolling my own coils and get my Kanthal direct from Temco and run cotton for wicks.

Yes some of us are all about the DIY and will always run mechs. Others may run both types..some will never fire a mech.

It's all good if you ain't burning tobacco.

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Nope. Mechs are alive and always will be.

As I said - there will always be a niche of the vape market who will continue to use mechs.. Just as the carto tank crowd and Gene crowd will always (IMO) exist.
I think Mechs will continue to be picked up as long as there is the looming vape-pocolypse, but also because of their smaller form factor. Genes and Carto tanks do not have these advantages over newer RTAs and Clearmizers IMO. Where a Kayfun is an improvement over gene's for most (less leaking, dont have to deal with stainless steel mesh, etc) I dont think that is the case with Mechs vs regulated mods with the current regulated mods on the market are much bulkier and not as "user serviceable" as a mechanical.
For most users though, I think they will continue to gravitate toward regulated mods over mechs, so we will see a decline from most users.
That's my opinion anyways :)
 
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