Are mods with builtin batteries any more or less safe?
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Wow!depends on the device ... take the istick 50 for example.
some would fire on their own ... causing incidents like this
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Was the istick turned off, 5 click trick, when that happened??.
I think there have been distinct trends in vaping "incidents".
1 - early on, MOST people were using Ego or stick batteries, and the most common newsworthy event was a battery going poof WHILE CHARGING. Often a crap no-name device, often the wrong charger, often unattended or in a car, etc.
2 - Then people started buying mods from China, and some were flawed and you'd get autofiring or meltdowns. Not as many events, but we heard about every one.
3 - Then started the still growing trend to seek more vapor - running lower ohms, higher voltage, and in some cases, go for Hybrid mechs - and we hear about in-the-mod short circuits, venting-near-the-face incidents.
4 - And perhaps the most common - and certainly the most recent: also due to higher watts, people started carrying around extra batteries. In their pockets. Without a case. So they short against a coin or keys and their pants catch fire. Kinda fun to watch, but "ouch".
Bottom line - either "type" - built-in LiPo, or removeable 18650 - what makes it SAFE, is knowledge about how to handle and maintain your device properly.
A) Don't buy crap mods or batteries
B) Don't jury-rig things that are part of the circuit (coils, 510's, insulators, battery connection points)
C) Learn about your battery, and handle it properly
Then you'll be safe!
1 - early on, MOST people were using Ego or stick batteries, and the most common newsworthy event was a battery going poof WHILE CHARGING. Often a crap no-name device, often the wrong charger, often unattended or in a car, etc.
2 - Then people started buying mods from China, and some were flawed and you'd get autofiring or meltdowns. Not as many events, but we heard about every one.
3 - Then started the still growing trend to seek more vapor - running lower ohms, higher voltage, and in some cases, go for Hybrid mechs - and we hear about in-the-mod short circuits, venting-near-the-face incidents.
4 - And perhaps the most common - and certainly the most recent: also due to higher watts, people started carrying around extra batteries. In their pockets. Without a case. So they short against a coin or keys and their pants catch fire. Kinda fun to watch, but "ouch".
Bottom line - either "type" - built-in LiPo, or removeable 18650 - what makes it SAFE, is knowledge about how to handle and maintain your device properly.
A) Don't buy crap mods or batteries
B) Don't jury-rig things that are part of the circuit (coils, 510's, insulators, battery connection points)
C) Learn about your battery, and handle it properly
Then you'll be safe!
Yep, pretty notorious for that. I've got the Reuleaux RX200 and DN200, I'm careful about attaching devices as not to over tighten on it and it gets hot fast. On the DNA I replaced the 510, insulator and replaced the wiring with 16 gauge. Night and day difference, doesn't over heat like it used to and a much, much more responsive when hitting the button.
The amount of money Joytech is saving by skimping on ridiculous items they really are paying for it in loss of reputation.
Somebody needs to slap the Exec on the side of the head for that ya know.
I only buy mods with built in batteries. Can't be doing with all the hassle of changing batteries. Never had an issue yet. Good luck.
You don't need to change them, you can just charge them the same way you do a lipo.
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Only if we know the actual tested specs of the lipo in this sigelei mod do we know it's not being abused, fact is we don't know much and these batteries haven't been tested like mooch has with IMR's... If loose batts are a concern, leave it in the mod and charge it by USB, then just treat it exactly as you would a lipo.
The difference is those Lion batteries are doing exactly what they were designed for and the phone does not draw anywhere near the amperage needed to push it outside its limits. 80watts @ .3 ohms is 21 amps, that is a very high amount of amperage to be pulling from a lipo.
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Wait!
WHAT!?!?!?
Literally with the slightest bit of knowledge nothing in this post makes any sense at all.
Tapatyped
Are electric or gas cars anymore or less safe?
The answer to this is the same as the answer to the topic question...
It depends who's driving! = )
The answer to this is the same as the answer to the topic question...
It depends who's driving! = )
Really?
How many batteries in this mod?
Parallel or series?
Is the chip balance charge ready?
Is the sled balance charge wired?
What's the risk when you charge 3 18650 20 amp cells in series and charge them every day for a year without balancing?
Maybe if you were speaking of a specific mod, sure.
But as a general statement to someone who didn't specify a specific mod, that's horrible and dangerous advice.
Whereas if the mod comes equipped with a built in battery, you can assume it's properly wired and ready to charge that battery via the charge port.
If not, it's a pretty serious manufacturer design flaw that falls back to the manufacturers full responsibility.
That doesn't even cover the possibility of putting a couple 5 amp ICR cells into a 2 battery, 200 watt mod and cranking it up.
A user that won't be bothered to charge the batteries likely won't be bothered to do much homework on batteries.
Not that that user should have to with plug and play devices available.
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I've got an mvp2 an defender 36 watt a aspire sub ohm battery and a kanger kbox70. Before these i was using egos and dse 801s . Anyway all these devices have a built in battery and are all still working. Bought the mvp2 2 years ago on the 5th January and buy a new mod every six months . Not sure how long a mod is suposed to last but it's quite a long time. Not sure which is safest but I've had no problems so far. Vape on.
I persinally dont buy mods with built in batteries because:
1. batteries have a very limited lifespan compared to the rest of the mod.
2. Proprietary cells have proprietary specs. Who knows what they really are.
3. On board chargers have quite the sketchy quality history.
Most experienced vapers wont recommend using on board chargers with removeable cells.
1. batteries have a very limited lifespan compared to the rest of the mod.
2. Proprietary cells have proprietary specs. Who knows what they really are.
3. On board chargers have quite the sketchy quality history.
Most experienced vapers wont recommend using on board chargers with removeable cells.
The mods I was seeing being talked about and one i was referring to were single 18650 mods, but I'm glad you were able to share your knowledge
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I wouldn't either.
If you can remove your batteries you can charge them with a quality charger that doesn't depend on a tiny afterthought of a charging chip and algorithm connected to a delicate charge port by tiny, delicate wires.
But there's that segment (my mom for example) that thinks they're too busy (in her case by choice and with remedial tasks and groups that don't necessarily need her like she likes to think) to learn battery safety.
For these people, a quality unit with a built in battery and simple USB charge port keeps them from making potentially dangerous decisions or having a less than ideal B&M sales associate sell them inappropriate batteries that also could be dangerous.
If someone is looking to make their life easier, I'm all for it as long as it's an option.
And with the MVP 2.0 and MVP 20 watt that I've purchased duplicates for my stubborn mother, the option is certainly there.
@ ~$20 each, they weren't much different in price from purchasing just batteries, either.
Win/Win
And I can sleep at night knowing there shouldn't be any problems with these devices.
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I'd have to say a good quality built in will be safer than a mod with removable batteries especially for someone without knowledge and respect for 18650s however I believe passthrough vaping is potentially hazardous and I would shy away from doing it, if something is going to go wrong it will be when it's charging and vaping and charging will compound that potentiality...
Batteries only have so many cycles, every time you discharge and then charge, it doesn't matter if it's a 1 puff followed by a 5 second charge that counts as a cycle so passthrough vaping will lower the life expectancy of your vape significantly as well...
Batteries only have so many cycles, every time you discharge and then charge, it doesn't matter if it's a 1 puff followed by a 5 second charge that counts as a cycle so passthrough vaping will lower the life expectancy of your vape significantly as well...
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Are mods with builtin batteries any more or less safe?
To me, that is kinda a Hard Question to answer.
If I make a Mod with a Built-In Battery and then set the Low Ohm Cut-Off to match what the Built In Battery can handle, I just stopped a user running a Resistance and subsequent Amperage Draw that a Battery can't handle. So that's a Good Thing.
Same with a the Built in Charger. If I use a Good One, then that Helps prevent a User from using a Bad Charger. Once again, that's a Good thing.
So in Some Ways, an Built-In Battery may be consider "Safer" under some Conditions.
But... That Doesn't Mean that ALL Built in Battery Mods are "Safer". It's more of a Case by Case thing to me.
There is also the "Mods is Dead when the Battery Dies" thing with a Built-In Battery Mod to consider.
BTW - For the Infamous iStick 50w, was it the Fact that it had a Built-In Battery that caused it to Auto-Fire? Or was it a Wanky Board and or Possibly a FUBAR Button Actuator that caused the Problems? And were some Percentage of those Auto-Fire Mods Clones?
To me, that is kinda a Hard Question to answer.
If I make a Mod with a Built-In Battery and then set the Low Ohm Cut-Off to match what the Built In Battery can handle, I just stopped a user running a Resistance and subsequent Amperage Draw that a Battery can't handle. So that's a Good Thing.
Same with a the Built in Charger. If I use a Good One, then that Helps prevent a User from using a Bad Charger. Once again, that's a Good thing.
So in Some Ways, an Built-In Battery may be consider "Safer" under some Conditions.
But... That Doesn't Mean that ALL Built in Battery Mods are "Safer". It's more of a Case by Case thing to me.
There is also the "Mods is Dead when the Battery Dies" thing with a Built-In Battery Mod to consider.
BTW - For the Infamous iStick 50w, was it the Fact that it had a Built-In Battery that caused it to Auto-Fire? Or was it a Wanky Board and or Possibly a FUBAR Button Actuator that caused the Problems? And were some Percentage of those Auto-Fire Mods Clones?
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