Are mods with builtin batteries any more or less safe?

[puffon]

batteries only have so many cycles, every time you discharge and then charge, it doesn't matter if it's a 1 puff followed by a 5 second charge that counts as a cycle

Actually that is not considered a full cycle. I don't reccomend pass-through vaping tho.

 

[beckdg]

BTW - For the Infamous istick 50w, was it the Fact that it had a Built-In Battery that caused it to Auto-Fire? Or was it a Wanky Board and or Possibly a FUBAR Button Actuator that caused the Problems? And were some Percentage of those Auto-Fire Mods Clones?

Well the battery is just a power source so that's not it. If I recall correctly there were instances where the mod was just sitting on the table and there was no possibility to push the button for it to stick so I would defer probably to faulty chips or a bad design on the board.

Edited to add on top of that what is a heating issue during charging cycle which also points directly to a faulty chip or a bad board design.


Tapatyped

 

[kbeam418]

Crap.

I just bought a Pico.

As long as you don't screw your' atomizers down too much you should be fine. Both my realouxs still work fine after about 3 months. My VaporFlask Lite still works flawless too.

The difference is those Lion batteries are doing exactly what they were designed for and the phone does not draw anywhere near the amperage needed to push it outside its limits. 80watts @ .3 ohms is 21 amps, that is a very high amount of amperage to be pulling from a lipo.

Then why did Samsung recall 2.5 million Note 7s? A 3s Lipo can handle 20 amp CDR without even sweating. RC hobby uses lipo packs and pushes them harder then the vaping community does.

 

[sonicbomb]

i have only one Lipo powered mod and the cell in that is replaceable. Is that unusual?

 

[Eskie]

i have only one Lipo powered mod and the cell in that is replaceable. Is that unusual?

Kind of. Most mods with built in batteries don't allow you to swap packs in and out. I have one that does as well.

 

[beckdg]

Kind of. Most mods with built in batteries don't allow you to swap packs in and out. I have one that does as well.

LiPo ≠ built in battery

I know that doesn't change what you meant.

Though it might change how its perceived.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

Actually that is not considered a full cycle. I don't reccomend pass-through vaping tho.

And actually, using less than 5% of capacity per cycle theoretically eliminates charge cycles as a measure of battery life in favor of time.

Tapatyped

 

[r77r7r]

I am such a LiPo abuser,lol. I have 6ft cords draped over chair arms and couches. If I think that I'm going to sit still for a bit, I plug in and use as passthru. All day, everyday,
multiple charges.

Only lipo that ever died was the crap Innokin V3's that went into autofire about the same week- 8mths old.

Charging in this haphazard way, I got 2.5yrs of service from one ego ( Joye Upgrade), 2yrs from another, and over a yr for an istick30 and 40. All still usable today.

Just put my naughty tank on an ego from '11, still works...

 

[jefsview]

I use both kinds, but in the end I do prefer built-in Lipo batteries. Personally, I find that these types of devices hold a charge for longer, and the batteries themselves last longer than my 18650's. Heck, I still have a working MVP 1.5 from 3 years ago but not my earliest 18650's.

It's whatever you are most comfortable with.

 

[KenD]

I believe passthrough vaping is potentially hazardous and I would shy away from doing it, if something is going to go wrong it will be when it's charging and vaping and charging will compound that potentiality...

Batteries only have so many cycles, every time you discharge and then charge, it doesn't matter if it's a 1 puff followed by a 5 second charge that counts as a cycle so passthrough vaping will lower the life expectancy of your vape significantly as well...

Technically, modern mods don't do pass through. The usb port simply doesn't provide enough current. The charging is paused while taking a vape and continues when the fire button is released. But I agree, it's not the safest thing to do.

As for charging cycles, a full cycle is from fully discharged to fully charged. A five second charge does not count as a cycle.

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[KenD]

Only if we know the actual tested specs of the lipo in this sigelei mod do we know it's not being abused, fact is we don't know much and these batteries haven't been tested like mooch has with IMR's... If loose batts are a concern, leave it in the mod and charge it by USB, then just treat it exactly as you would a lipo.



The difference is those Lion batteries are doing exactly what they were designed for and the phone does not draw anywhere near the amperage needed to push it outside its limits. 80watts @ .3 ohms is 21 amps, that is a very high amount of amperage to be pulling from a lipo.

Not on a regulated mod. The amp draw is 27.5 at the battery cutoff (assuming 90% device efficiency and a cutoff at 3.2v).

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[beckdg]

Technically, modern mods don't do pass through. The usb port simply doesn't provide enough current. The charging is paused while taking a vape and continues when the fire button is released. But I agree, it's not the safest thing to do.

As for charging cycles, a full cycle is from fully discharged to fully charged. A five second charge does not count as a cycle.

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I agree.

Though if you wanna go with more of a military spec ("battery cycle life increasing usage") a "full cycle" would be from 20% to 80% and back to 20% charge state.

They say it doubles the cycle life of a lithium cell.
But it's only using 60% of the charge each cycle.
So best case scenario, 20% more total usage.

Which I've not seen actually hit in graphed and logged comparisons that I've seen.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

I agree.

Though if you wanna go with more of a military spec ("battery cycle life increasing usage") a "full cycle" would be from 20% to 80% and back to 20% charge state.

They say it doubles the cycle life of a lithium cell.
But it's only using 60% of the charge each cycle.
So best case scenario, 20% more total usage.

Which I've not seen actually hit in graphed and logged comparisons that I've seen.

Tapatyped

Methinks the real benefit is keeping the charge state closer to a storage charge by default when usage may be intermittent or subside for long periods of time.

This way during storage, the energy level isn't at maximum thus limits internal damage and the charge isn't depleted to risk the cell dipping below safe voltage and ruining the cell/pack instantly.

Tapatyped

 

[Falco78]

I've not had any issues with my mods with built-in batteries or replaceable batteries

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