Are those who claim that vaping is safer than smoking liars?

[Rickajho]

That's not the point. The link to the article I posted is a very good read with excellent ammunition for anyone facing local legislation issues or who needs to refute similar lame arguments elsewhere. I think I mentioned about 20 pages back that closing this thread, for exactly the reasons you cited, was a good idea.

 

[Hulamoon]

You! lol. I do agree with your thoughts, I really do. But here we are 27 pages later and the OP has run off it appears....

(Who is Wallace?)

 

[Rickajho]

Neener. I edited that post while you were replying. Once I got the joke.

 

[vapordan]

Liars, likely not. Ignorant and overzealous and/or misguided? Almost certainly. The truth is, we do not know much of anything about the long term safety of vaping. So while the claims may potentially turn out to be false, that doesn't necessarily mean anyone is outright lying.

Myself, I choose short-term health and the unknown, with vaping, over fully realized short term health problems and the proven likelihood that analogs will one day kill me. But I do this knowing there may be unforeseen consequences.

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[Hulamoon]

I'm with you all the way on that one (and i have voluminous proof too in the legislation forum for Hawaii ) - and it works.

As I just mentioned elsewhere, that whilst the most politically democratic state behind NY and California, we have been declawing the cat o'nine tails that a couple of well compensated Pfizer ANTZ Aunt Fanny political sponsors tried to sneak in, Didn't get away with it though, thanks to articles like the one you posted, the incrediblle scientific studies done via CASAA and the participation of as many B&M owners in the State and individual vapers - and let's not forget the politicians who DID listen to the arguments - on both sides. Yea!

That's not the point. The link to the article I posted is a very good read with excellent ammunition for anyone facing local legislation issues or who needs to refute similar lame arguments elsewhere. I think I mentioned about 20 pages back that closing this thread, for exactly the reasons you cited, was a good idea.

 

[Joe P.]

Lots out there. Read every once in a while.
http://everydaylife.globalpost.com/dangers-polycarbonate-baby-cups-4326.html
Very nice read. More so if you have never heard of BPA's. They strengthen polycarbonate's. And NO all polycarbonate's do not use them. BPA and heat even better. No heat with vaping though
Many other manufacturers and yes you can still order baby bottles. And for a brief moment think about it before sending crap. I vape. I used to smoke. I have smoked less than five since vaping. Each time they feel worse. When people get grumpy, go cool off. Think, read, learn, grow. There is a post in this thread listing tobacco additives. Funny how many appear in the flavors we buy, (read through them pretty careful). Ethyl Maltol, Ethyl Vanillin (I use both. Pretty sure anyone who vapes tried them) Think before you post. I honestly would rather read information, real information than hear ranting disguised as knowledge. The lie debate, very simple. A liar is someone who doesn't tell the truth. A liar tells lies. Just a definition from a book. Intent has nothing to do with it. Like when someone makes crap up (may be true ) it is a lie. I love companies like Gerber, they will and have spent and lost millions trying to protect consumers. When any company, retailer, reseller is willing to lose capital for this it means something. Spouting off rants that defend or strengthen an opponents view, well kind of speaks for itself. If this is a community then work as one stand as one. Look on youtube, use google, read. Play nice.
Censoring threads.... Great idea

 

[KjAthena]

Real juices, or concentrated extracts? An orange isn't going to hurt your mouth, but I dare you to try holding a half cup of pure citric acid in your mouth.



Excuse me, but do you have polycarbonate cups?

Nylon and vinyl are also plastics. You aren't suggesting they are the same material though, are you?


Now, why don't you try this one....

Go get an iClear 30 and an iClear 30S clearomizer. Both use polycarbonate tanks, but the 30S uses a slightly different type of polycarbonate. Pour in a known tank cracking juice into both and try to explain why the 30S tank does not crack while the normal 30 does. Then try your acetone test on the 30S tank, and try to explain why the tank cracks with the acetone, but doesn't crack with the ecig liquid.

My daughter filled an Iclear30S tank with a red hots flavor from our local B&M in less than 10 mins the tank was toast melted into a soft mush..it is the only flaw for me in the Iclear30s tank...I love the coil life...flavor and vapor production but they are NOT for tank crackers juices

 

[zapped]

My daughter filled an Iclear30S tank with a red hots flavor from our local B&M in less than 10 mins the tank was toast melted into a soft mush..it is the only flaw for me in the Iclear30s tank...I love the coil life...flavor and vapor production but they are NOT for tank crackers juices

Buy a pyrex carto tank from Ibtanked or Phiniac, problem solved.

I actually prefer the cleaner flavor of glass and in my experience carto tanks offer better flavor than any clearomizer out there. Surrounding the carto in liquid eliminates those nasty dry hits a lot of people associate with cartos as well.

 

[KjAthena]

none of the shops around here sell carto-tanks. they don't seem to be popular around here...and I am the type that I has to see what I am supposed to do a few times before I can do them myself...yes I know silly but it is the way I learn...I had to take the rebuilding class 4 times before I could set up mu nimbus and RSST myself...and youtube doesn't quite get it for this old granny I now can rebuild my RBA's and protank coils . I can also mix a good juice maybe someday I could learn to handle a cartotank

 

[el Jexican]

The MSDS shows that USP VG is harmless to vape.

 

[britt.wood]

Vaping is safer

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[LDS714]

Are people who start these types of threads lying about their concern for vapers and actually looking for ammunition against them?

 

[rurwin]

Absolutely.

I find any article anywhere that only asks questions and gives no answers is always being disingenuous. They ask questions because it gives the impression of there being doubt where there isn't any.

 

[Tajji'smom]

Wow this thread has over 8,000 views in 3 days! Just goes to show how passionate we Vapers are

 

[Uma]

You don't intend to suggest that Big Tobacco is more concerned for the health and safety of their customers than juice vendors, do you? If BT has any concern for their customers, other than their ability to pay for the product, I'm not aware of it.

They are, and they do and it's out there if you search.
They (not all, but enough of them to label them as "they") have tried various methods, theories, to make them "safer". A 100 yr long shopper vs a 50 yr long shopper, would be ultimate. The anti-tobacco-companies, ridiculed and demeaned them all. To them, the only safer cigarette is zero cigarette. This is one of the reasons they fight the eCigs so hard.
. Here's just one small fraction of the attempts they've tried. NOVA | "Safer" Cigarettes: A History

As noted, they also tried the 1963 Gilbert eCig. But their testers (consumers) weren't very satisfied. So they shelved it. Big Pharma didn't try it, they poopooed it.. because it was patented.
Then hon Lik invented a whopper, and the rest a history. BP is furious.

Smokers black lung? Total ANTZ fabrication.
The Black Lung Lie | Frank Davis

and so on.

The he coalition to abolish the cigarette companies, smoking, or anything that uses the beneficial to many drug called nicotine, has been ongoing since the days of yore. Hitler almost succeeded, and now we have even worse zealots. By denying safer alternatives, our parents have been murdered & our loved ones, kids, grandkids, will be murdered. Millions of smokers die every year, globally, yet the ANTZ refuse an alternative to the "quit or die" campaign.
They are the biggest liars, the worst zealots, the mass murderers. Not the BT.

Google the benefits of nicotine.
Smoke kills the cells, nicotine multiplies the cells. Figure it out. A low nicotine smoke and even zero nicotine smoke happily promoted by the FDA ... is celebrated by the ANTZ.
Yet a zero smoke eCig is demeaned and lobbied against.

At least BT has tried to keep their returning customers alive longer. I can't say the same for the ANTZ and BP.

 

[loudandlow]

Is there currently any testing going on currently? I know lots of big corporations and multi-nationals are already controlling most of the liquid and that's ALWAYS a bad sign.

 

[LDS714]

Is there currently any testing going on currently? I know lots of big corporations and multi-nationals are already controlling most of the liquid and that's ALWAYS a bad sign.

Yes. Dr. Farsolinos is testing a wide variety of e-liquids purchased from around the globe.

 

[RosaJ]

Yes. Dr. Farsolinos is test a wide variety of e-liquids purchased from around the globe.

Second this. Spend some time in the CASAA website.

 

[AndriaD]

They are, and they do and it's out there if you search.
They (not all, but enough of them to label them as "they") have tried various methods, theories, to make them "safer". A 100 yr long shopper vs a 50 yr long shopper, would be ultimate. The anti-tobacco-companies, ridiculed and demeaned them all. To them, the only safer cigarette is zero cigarette. This is one of the reasons they fight the eCigs so hard.
. Here's just one small fraction of the attempts they've tried. NOVA | "Safer" Cigarettes: A History

As noted, they also tried the 1963 Gilbert eCig. But their testers (consumers) weren't very satisfied. So they shelved it. Big Pharma didn't try it, they poopooed it.. because it was patented.
Then hon Lik invented a whopper, and the rest a history. BP is furious.

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At least BT has tried to keep their returning customers alive longer. I can't say the same for the ANTZ and BP.

Yes, and I have considered this: if fewer people buy cigarettes (and other actual-tobacco products), then BT, under the terms of that heinous Settlement Agreement, don't have to pay as much to the various entities they're required to pay, under the terms of that Agreement. Which means that even if they lose sales, they also lose payments, so, to them, it's kind of a 50/50 proposition -- they won't win or lose either way. So, they actually have somewhat of a vested interest in e-cigs and their supplies NOT being legally declared a "tobacco product."

To me, this means that BP and the various gov't entities are actually FAR more our opponents than BT ever thought about being, because THEY are the ones who will actually lose money -- gov't loses money if they're not declared a tobacco product; BP loses money if they're declared a "smoking cessation device."

Andria

 

[RosaJ]

Yes, and I have considered this: if fewer people buy cigarettes (and other actual-tobacco products), then BT, under the terms of that heinous Settlement Agreement, don't have to pay as much to the various entities they're required to pay, under the terms of that Agreement. Which means that even if they lose sales, they also lose payments, so, to them, it's kind of a 50/50 proposition -- they won't win or lose either way. So, they actually have somewhat of a vested interest in e-cigs and their supplies NOT being legally declared a "tobacco product."

To me, this means that BP and the various gov't entities are actually FAR more our opponents than BT ever thought about being, because THEY are the ones who will actually lose money -- gov't loses money if they're not declared a tobacco product; BP loses money if they're declared a "smoking cessation device."

Andria

I've thought this for a long time now. Also, think of future medicine treatments for Parkinsons, Alzheimers, et al., that will contain nicotine. They've already been doing the research and development and they stand to lose big!