Are vape shops partially responsible for selling safe batteries?
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In the shop I work at we only sell tried and true LG/Samsung/Sony from legitimate suppliers, we don't sell any rewraps.
We rewrap for free and won't let customers leave with dented batteries or mismatched batteries. We will also inquire if the customer has good batteries when they buy a new mod without batteries. If they only want a single battery to replace one in a dual mod, they are informed about battery mismatch and are advised against purchasing only one battery.
We also don't carry mods that are know to have issues like the Wismec ES300 that catches fire. We pulled all the smok Aliens off the shelf after customers started showing up with dead screens and warn people about the Smok Mag mod and it's garbage press fit 510 connector.
In the end, if the customer is fully aware of the possible issues and still wants what they are advised against, it's all on them.
Shops need to take a some responsibility for the safety of their customers. Those shops that sell sketchy batteries and gear need to be confronted about it and called out in social media if they don't care.
We rewrap for free and won't let customers leave with dented batteries or mismatched batteries. We will also inquire if the customer has good batteries when they buy a new mod without batteries. If they only want a single battery to replace one in a dual mod, they are informed about battery mismatch and are advised against purchasing only one battery.
We also don't carry mods that are know to have issues like the Wismec ES300 that catches fire. We pulled all the smok Aliens off the shelf after customers started showing up with dead screens and warn people about the Smok Mag mod and it's garbage press fit 510 connector.
In the end, if the customer is fully aware of the possible issues and still wants what they are advised against, it's all on them.
Shops need to take a some responsibility for the safety of their customers. Those shops that sell sketchy batteries and gear need to be confronted about it and called out in social media if they don't care.
Does the cell say you can vape at 40 amps safely? My car says 250 kph on its speedometer – must be safe to drive at that speed.
These cells are not even designed for vaping so automatically we are taking on a risk by using them. And, the big legit names, Sony, LG, Samsung etc, do not spec their ratings on the cell either – so it is up to the consumer/users to use these cells within their limits.
I’m not supporting CONFLICT batteries or re-wraps that are mis-spec’d, I think they all should be abolished. But knowing these types of cells are easily available, it is my responsibility as a consumer to avoid purchasing them. I agree that stores should not be selling these batteries, but in hindsight, you supported their sale by purchasing them.
You have vaped with AA batteries like Duracell or Energizer?
We sell the Joyetech Batpack for Saltnic and it works quite well with a pair NiCad, NiMh, or regular AA's.
Many communities only have one shop within miles of them and will keep the peace. Sad but true fact is too many shop owners know they have the upper hand in these places. Not everyone is trusting of online shopping for any kind of product.
My local shop only sells authentic, Mooch approved batteries (except their 20700... They sell Ampking because they come with a sleeve, and are still mooch approved). They also rewrap for free when asked, or when they see a damaged wrap. Every set comes with a free case.
If your shop doesn't do this it's time to educate your shop, or look elsewhere.
If your shop doesn't do this it's time to educate your shop, or look elsewhere.
Sorry, but that's a strawman argument. No one has said those things.
The chainsaw comparison is pretty lame, it is especially designed to saw your finger off or anything else you're throwing into its jaws for that matter. So if you saw your finger off it did exactly what it was supposed to do. The shop can't control what you will use it for, if you accidentally saw your couch in half that's not their problem.
An overrated battery will precisely not do what it was bought and advertised for, the shop decides what batteries they have in store and what batteries they recommend to noob vapers. I don't see how that's even remotely comparable.
A better comparison would be: you need to move a piano over a 2nd floor balcony because it doesn't fit through the door.
You're going to buy a chain that can at least support 500kg, the hardware store sells you one that can "support 1 ton, easy" but when it instantly breaks, transforming the piano into a badly tuned pile of wood and metal, you realize you didn't get what you wanted to buy. Showing a professional at a different store the remains of the chain reveals it can barely support 200kg.
Will you go to the store and complain or think "oh well, in the end it was me who bought the chain, I should have researched chains and metal grades on the internet for a couple weeks before buying, so whatever".
Nobody is denying that in the end it's the consumer's responsibility to know about batteries.
The question is: should shops get away with being uninformed themselves?
Face it - the normal person going into a vape shop for the first time would assume they can trust what the staff tell them. They're the ones in the know about what they're selling, right?
Oh yeah, people should research it on the internet first, I forgot. Thankfully there's an official vape library everybody will instantly go to and only get correct information
I don't understand why vape shops being run by clueless clowns would be acceptable. It isn't and people should stop buying from shops that don't care enough to have a minimum knowledge about what they're selling and make it known to others when a shop is garbage.
I'm very much for personal responsibility but that's not limited exclusively to the consumer (why would it), that goes for the shop owner as well. If what they're selling, used as they instructed to, directly leads to an accident then absolutely they should pay the price.
The alternative is devices that are regulated so strictly that a monkey with a fez could sell them to you. That seems to be already in the making...
An overrated battery will precisely not do what it was bought and advertised for, the shop decides what batteries they have in store and what batteries they recommend to noob vapers. I don't see how that's even remotely comparable.
A better comparison would be: you need to move a piano over a 2nd floor balcony because it doesn't fit through the door.
You're going to buy a chain that can at least support 500kg, the hardware store sells you one that can "support 1 ton, easy" but when it instantly breaks, transforming the piano into a badly tuned pile of wood and metal, you realize you didn't get what you wanted to buy. Showing a professional at a different store the remains of the chain reveals it can barely support 200kg.
Will you go to the store and complain or think "oh well, in the end it was me who bought the chain, I should have researched chains and metal grades on the internet for a couple weeks before buying, so whatever".
Nobody is denying that in the end it's the consumer's responsibility to know about batteries.
The question is: should shops get away with being uninformed themselves?
Face it - the normal person going into a vape shop for the first time would assume they can trust what the staff tell them. They're the ones in the know about what they're selling, right?
Oh yeah, people should research it on the internet first, I forgot. Thankfully there's an official vape library everybody will instantly go to and only get correct information
I don't understand why vape shops being run by clueless clowns would be acceptable. It isn't and people should stop buying from shops that don't care enough to have a minimum knowledge about what they're selling and make it known to others when a shop is garbage.
I'm very much for personal responsibility but that's not limited exclusively to the consumer (why would it), that goes for the shop owner as well. If what they're selling, used as they instructed to, directly leads to an accident then absolutely they should pay the price.
The alternative is devices that are regulated so strictly that a monkey with a fez could sell them to you. That seems to be already in the making...
Be nice if all shops included a wrap and case for each battery, especially back in the mech-mod days.
Take vaping out of the equation. Say it's a light fixture claimed to be rated for a 100W bulb. Materials and design indicate it is safe only at 40W or less.
A company purposely labels a product with incorrect specs. When using the product within those specs, rather than the actual specs, it becomes extremely dangerous, yet would be reasonably safe within the actual specs. If the store resells this product, knowing about the mislabeling and the danger, it'd be a very short and easy court case to prove their liability. You'd only need to prove that they knew, or should have known that the ratings weren't accurate.
Especially since vape shops know that the batteries used in vaping aren't designed for vaping, it's a slam dunk. Everyone named in the suit pays.
More and more vape are owned and operated by non vapers. This is true of other businesses as well. It is on the consumer to educate themselves in today's world. This fact cannot be argued or changed.
I agree - I realize now my post made it sound like I didn't share this opinion, but I was responding specifically to the question about responsibility, which I read "liability." No doubt that caveat emptor is ever increasingly important.
There are saws that detect moisture and won't chop off your finger.The chainsaw comparison is pretty lame, it is especially designed to saw your finger off or anything else you're throwing into its jaws for that matter. So if you saw your finger off it did exactly what it was supposed to do. The shop can't control what you will use it for, if you accidentally saw your couch in half that's not their problem.
An overrated battery will precisely not do what it was bought and advertised for, the shop decides what batteries they have in store and what batteries they recommend to noob vapers. I don't see how that's even remotely comparable.
A better comparison would be: you need to move a piano over a 2nd floor balcony because it doesn't fit through the door.
You're going to buy a chain that can at least support 500kg, the hardware store sells you one that can "support 1 ton, easy" but when it instantly breaks, transforming the piano into a badly tuned pile of wood and metal, you realize you didn't get what you wanted to buy. Showing a professional at a different store the remains of the chain reveals it can barely support 200kg.
Will you go to the store and complain or think "oh well, in the end it was me who bought the chain, I should have researched chains and metal grades on the internet for a couple weeks before buying, so whatever".
Nobody is denying that in the end it's the consumer's responsibility to know about batteries.
The question is: should shops get away with being uninformed themselves?
Face it - the normal person going into a vape shop for the first time would assume they can trust what the staff tell them. They're the ones in the know about what they're selling, right?
Oh yeah, people should research it on the internet first, I forgot. Thankfully there's an official vape library everybody will instantly go to and only get correct information
I don't understand why vape shops being run by clueless clowns would be acceptable. It isn't and people should stop buying from shops that don't care enough to have a minimum knowledge about what they're selling and make it known to others when a shop is garbage.
I'm very much for personal responsibility but that's not limited exclusively to the consumer (why would it), that goes for the shop owner as well. If what they're selling, used as they instructed to, directly leads to an accident then absolutely they should pay the price.
The alternative is devices that are regulated so strictly that a monkey with a fez could sell them to you. That seems to be already in the making...
I guess that what it boils down to. If they knew or didn't. I don't think he did. But regardless, his argument on the issue wasn't that great either.
This is what I was looking for. I am going to ignore this thread now. For me, this issue has been concluded.
You've been a member of ecf for 8 years now?
That's a feature, not a requirement to be sold as a saw. Also, how will I cut my sausages with that?
This fact isn't the whole picture. Otherwise products (not limited to vaping) would be much more dangerous than they currently are.
Some minimum safety standards for products aren't a bad thing, also some rules for labeling so the consumer can really decide what to get (or not risk going to the hospital in case of allergies).
If the labels are a plain faced lie then no reasonable level of informing yourself will help you. Eg you buy a "Samsung" phone only to discover it's a "Huawai" with a "Samsung" sticker over the logo, then it's not just about being educated about smartphones.
If your device's manual says you need a 25A battery and you buy some 25A batteries in a vape shop then that should be it. How would the average person know about the whole rewrapping scene? How would we even know without Mooch (eg the iJoy 5 leg bait'n'switch) or the half handful of other battery reviewers? Should everybody get scopes, meters, test chambers and the like together with the knowledge how to use those?
We're lucky the specialist information we need is even accessible...
Which other consumer product requires this level of research simply for normal use?
Our batteries aren't consumer batteries and are not intended for our use case, yet they're sold as if they were, that's where the root of the problem is. All other products running off batteries either come with their own or accept the types sold in supermarkets. There's no DIY battery cordless drill.
My first visit to our local vape shop occured about three years ago after I relocated here from Cincinnati to our small country town in Ohio. I had a long conversation with the owner, who owns a small chain of vape shops in four small towns in a 30 mile radius. I usually judge a vape shop by what batteries they offer for sale. All he had available were MXJO.
I asked why he only sold those and didn't offer any made by Lg, Samsung, or Sony. His answer was he was able to get a good deal on bulk orders for the MXJO to supply his four stores. He said he couldn't find a reasonably priced source for the Lg, Samsung, or Sony. It was, according to him, a cost decision.
So then I asked him was he aware that MXJO batteries were "re-wraps" and had over-rated specifications. He didn't know what a re-wrap was and believed MXJO made their own batteries. He had no idea who Battery Mooch was. He was aware of ECF, but very rarely visited this site.
This is a guy who allegedly has vaped for seven years and operates four vape shops. He allegedly had never heard the term of re-wrap batteries. I tried to educate him the best that I could, but I could tell it was falling on deaf ears. Needless to say, I don't shop at this store. I'll drop in occassionally to see what gear they are selling and maybe sample a flavor or two.
I asked why he only sold those and didn't offer any made by Lg, Samsung, or Sony. His answer was he was able to get a good deal on bulk orders for the MXJO to supply his four stores. He said he couldn't find a reasonably priced source for the Lg, Samsung, or Sony. It was, according to him, a cost decision.
So then I asked him was he aware that MXJO batteries were "re-wraps" and had over-rated specifications. He didn't know what a re-wrap was and believed MXJO made their own batteries. He had no idea who Battery Mooch was. He was aware of ECF, but very rarely visited this site.
This is a guy who allegedly has vaped for seven years and operates four vape shops. He allegedly had never heard the term of re-wrap batteries. I tried to educate him the best that I could, but I could tell it was falling on deaf ears. Needless to say, I don't shop at this store. I'll drop in occassionally to see what gear they are selling and maybe sample a flavor or two.
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Basically as others have noted, it is ultimately a decision that only a court can make. If they knowing sell batteries that are unsuitable the likelihood of their being responsible financial for damage increases. But for your own safety only buy batteries from places you trust. You really can't trust some business that tell you "we just sell them so not our problem". That is not the correct attitude from a vape shop as they should take the initiative to sell batteries that are appropriate.
Many just don't know the difference even if they are running a vape shop. A local one was selling batteries that I wouldn't buy because they were all re-wraps of questionable origin. It is a smoke/vape shop and the owner just hadn't done any research and didn't know anything about batteries. Not an ideal method of doing business but he wasn't out to harm anyone. I used to get my cigarettes from there and had a good relationship with him. I got him to switch to ordering them from Liionwholesale and got him to pick them from Mooch's list.
Many just don't know the difference even if they are running a vape shop. A local one was selling batteries that I wouldn't buy because they were all re-wraps of questionable origin. It is a smoke/vape shop and the owner just hadn't done any research and didn't know anything about batteries. Not an ideal method of doing business but he wasn't out to harm anyone. I used to get my cigarettes from there and had a good relationship with him. I got him to switch to ordering them from Liionwholesale and got him to pick them from Mooch's list.
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