Not trying to start anything here, but how are you going to get any nicotine soaked out of that carton of smokes when our buddy Gottlieb has announced he's making them lower the amount of nicotine in them to a pathetically low amount?
So since making your morning coffee produces vapor and you feel this needs to be regulated too? Cooking your food creates vapor. Maybe we should outlaw cooking food period. Make it illegal to have any cooked food at all and all food must be eaten raw.
You know what regulation has brought us? Food at the grocery store with no nutritional value at all. All it has done is to kept the good and healthy stuff from getting to the market. Not that the small farmers are doing anything wrong, but the USDA imposes so many rules and regulation they just can't afford to comply. Exactly what the big companies want to happen. As they have regulation in their pocket and that is the way they want to keep it.
Maybe you love regulation. But I see it as a death sentence for the citizens. Soon the police state will be in full effect and all citizens must become mindless robots and accepting whatever comes their way.
My points seemingly went over your head.
Do you get a caffiene fix from inhaling coffee vapor? Do you get your vitamin D from inhaling food vapor?
I don't.
As to regarding me "loving" regulations? Again you missed my point entirely.
Things I'd like to see regulated are proper labeling, I want to know where my stuff comes from, country of origin, how much poison is in my food, stuff like that. We all know certain levels of nic are poison, I have no problem with accurate labeling. Label it poison most things have a lethal dose, let it be known. As for food, I agree, if it is in a box, forget it. Most of what I buy is fresh produce and organic, no hormones or antibiotics in chicken or turkey I buy. If I want goodies I bake my own with organic ingredientsSo since making your morning coffee produces vapor and you feel this needs to be regulated too? Cooking your food creates vapor. Maybe we should outlaw cooking food period. Make it illegal to have any cooked food at all and all food must be eaten raw.
You know what regulation has brought us? Food at the grocery store with no nutritional value at all. All it has done is to kept the good and healthy stuff from getting to the market. Not that the small farmers are doing anything wrong, but the USDA imposes so many rules and regulation they just can't afford to comply. Exactly what the big companies want to happen. As they have regulation in their pocket and that is the way they want to keep it.
Maybe you love regulation. But I see it as a death sentence for the citizens. Soon the police state will be in full effect and all citizens must become mindless robots and accepting whatever comes their way.
It's like DIY for food
Has anyone gone thru their stash totally since stocking up? I haven't. I just opened a draw I use for storage and thought gee I didn't know I had that! LOL I have things I have never tried, I think I made a list somewhere of everything, now where did I put that list LOL!
Nope, 99.99% of my stash are all rebuildable and Mech's. I also haven't touched the 4.5 liters of 100mg nic in my Freezer, that's reserved for the Vapapocolypse when the FDA ban comes.
Every time I try to inventory my stash I start finding things I really don't need and should probably sell or PIF.
That's when I put everything back in the boxes and have a vape.
Actually my points went over your head. I was using hyperboles. What you believe regulation is suppose to do and what actually happens are two totally different things. It doesn't work that way in reality. The government will always see regulation as a means to steal more tax money from the citizens. And big business will always lobby the government to make those regulation laws to hurt the citizen and small business and to just benefit big business.
What the FDA plans to happen is to have all open vaping devices banned. That means no more mods, tanks, RDAs, juice, coils, or anything else. They will claim that it is too hard to test every way the end user could use it. So what they will allow is closed systems like the JUUL. A system that you cannot change the wattage, juice, coils, or anything. And they will require the manufacture to provide tests that only the big tobacco companies can afford. So we are going to end up with only pods made by tobacco companies offering only a handful of juices (the ones the adults use the most will likey be banned).
Of course, due to regulation, vapers will only have pods sold by the tobacco companies and a handful of awful flavors at a cost more than smoking itself. So this is what you really are pushing for. Don't worry, it looks it you are going to get it.
I haven't looked at my stash since the last items arrived. That was a few more provaris last week.
I do have a pretty good ides what is in there.
I looked at mine and decided I have way too many pt2 coils.
I stocked up on them because that’s what I started with, and now the tank and coil give me no flavor compared to my rda
Well since I just read on the deeming thread that the fda might ban online vape shops, I might get more nicotine.
Actually my points went over your head. I was using hyperboles. What you believe regulation is suppose to do and what actually happens are two totally different things. It doesn't work that way in reality. The government will always see regulation as a means to steal more tax money from the citizens. And big business will always lobby the government to make those regulation laws to hurt the citizen and small business and to just benefit big business.
What the FDA plans to happen is to have all open vaping devices banned. That means no more mods, tanks, RDAs, juice, coils, or anything else. They will claim that it is too hard to test every way the end user could use it. So what they will allow is closed systems like the JUUL. A system that you cannot change the wattage, juice, coils, or anything. And they will require the manufacture to provide tests that only the big tobacco companies can afford. So we are going to end up with only pods made by tobacco companies offering only a handful of juices (the ones the adults use the most will likey be banned).
Of course, due to regulation, vapers will only have pods sold by the tobacco companies and a handful of awful flavors at a cost more than smoking itself. So this is what you really are pushing for. Don't worry, it looks it you are going to get it.
Wow, wow, wow.
Never mind.
Please show us in the history of vaping and especially way before any regulation had taken place where vaping has harmed anybody! What! You got nothing? Then why does it need to be regulated for? We have the ability to protect ourselves and we don't need any stinking regulation. We all look out for each other and we do a far better job than all the regulations the FDA has done since they were founded.
Not going to argue with you Bill.
In the meantime maybe you can be upping your nic level.
In the meantime maybe you can be upping your nic level.
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Did you see that video of the founder of ECF had to say about the FDA?
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
I have 9 stash mods, plus 4 active, but will increase that next month.
4 liters nic in freezer, probably add 1 more. 3 liters mixing base 12 mg, probably double that next month. That way the nic in the freezer stays untouched for quite some time. PG and VG I will leave to last because that is hopefully the least threatened at the moment. But only the moment.
Increasing coils but that is a losing game, so doing RTA which is my least favorite thing to do. DIY for some months now.
I see the biggest long term challenge as flavors. Have quite a bit but need to add more. Best to store? Have them in a dark cool place but perhaps should start some in the fridge.
Don't know if they will go after wire but nothing is off the table.
4 liters nic in freezer, probably add 1 more. 3 liters mixing base 12 mg, probably double that next month. That way the nic in the freezer stays untouched for quite some time. PG and VG I will leave to last because that is hopefully the least threatened at the moment. But only the moment.
Increasing coils but that is a losing game, so doing RTA which is my least favorite thing to do. DIY for some months now.
I see the biggest long term challenge as flavors. Have quite a bit but need to add more. Best to store? Have them in a dark cool place but perhaps should start some in the fridge.
Don't know if they will go after wire but nothing is off the table.
The only flavoring I expect to get to the point of hard or next to impossible to buy will be the various tobacco flavorings but most of the others are used for things other than e-liquid so I really don't see where they will be taken off the table. I've bought most of mine directly from The Perfumers Apprentice and since they aren't a vape store I really don't think they will be affected by the ban on flavors. I could be wrong but I really hope I'm not.
Where are you finding Vari's? I want a bronze one but not to the tune of 300.00.
First in, first out. I started vaping in December of 2013. I'm still using nic I got in the first half of 2014.
I wasn't going to comment on your statements but having read them twice has prompted me to urge you to educate yourself about what the truth really is and not just spout off opinions that have little to no merit to the subjects you are speaking to. I am not trying to be mean or start any quarrels or arguments. I realize the written word does not alway portray the emotion behind what someone is trying to convey.
To your 1st point, I do not believe there is anyone on ecf who doesn't agree that children should be prevented/protected from buying tobacco products.
Your second point is where you need some serious education. Those of us who have been here and involved in the vape industry from the beginning know just how totally off base this statement is. Please do not be so trivial(especially on ecf) in your opinions and expect no one to challenge you. I do not plan on going into any of the specifics now, but the information you will need is available not only from the members, but in post all over the forums. Please take the time and effort to learn before making statements.
Your last point is also a valid one and needs to be addressed and no one would argue that point about batteries. That is why on just about every vendors website you will read about the safety measures needed and dangers of using batteries in the gear. Again being proactive and helping to spread the word to those who vape and don't know about batteries is a step in the right direction.
I saved your third point for last. I hate to sound like a broken record here but the need for education about the harm of what BT does to people. Are you aware of the processes used in creating a cigarette? And of the over 7,000 different chemicals used in this process? And that the FDA allows them to be put in there? Are you not outraged by the fact that BP took the same route as drug dealers in knowing which chemicals target the pleasure centers of the brain to addict you and keep you addicted? Not to mention the 'new' chemicals made when combustion happens with burning and combines 2 or more chemicals together to produce new ones? And this is just skimming the surface of what they have done and continue to do to people.
And to your last comment about making your own ejuice. On just the little bit of information I gave you in the last paragraph, you sure you really want to do that? I am afraid that once again you are totally missing the mark. Ecf has a DIY forum that can explain how to extract nicotine from the tobacco leaf for use in ejuice but I assure you, they do not use cigarettes to do it.(and if they do, the cigarettes were more than likely bought in another country that does not do the same processes as the US)
I hope this post can be some sort of enlightenment for you to seek further education on subjects that you may not know much about. And I hope you take this post as it was meant to inform you, not chastise or belittle you in any way. We all have to learn along the way just what the vaping industry is up against, some of us have just been at it a little longer than others.
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You know what regulation has brought us? Food at the grocery store with no nutritional value at all. All it has done is to kept the good and healthy stuff from getting to the market. Not that the small farmers are doing anything wrong, but the USDA imposes so many rules and regulation they just can't afford to comply. Exactly what the big companies want to happen. As they have regulation in their pocket and that is the way they want to keep it.
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Actually, I think some of it makes it to market under the guise of "health food" sold in the really expensive stores that most of us cannot afford. If there is a market, it will be there and it seems there is. Although I am not sure sometimes of what some of the stuff is, as most of us would not eat it anyway. LOL
You know what regulation has brought us? Food at the grocery store with no nutritional value at all. All it has done is to kept the good and healthy stuff from getting to the market. Not that the small farmers are doing anything wrong, but the USDA imposes so many rules and regulation they just can't afford to comply. Exactly what the big companies want to happen. As they have regulation in their pocket and that is the way they want to keep it.
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Actually, I think some of it makes it to market under the guise of "health food" sold in the really expensive stores that most of us cannot afford. If there is a market, it will be there and it seems there is. Although I am not sure sometimes of what some of the stuff is, as most of us would not eat it anyway. LOL
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