Are you done stocking up?

[Z-Lee]

And if you Hype Things Hard and then Many of your Products get an Extension, you going to look like you were just Yanking People's chains to Cash In.

There are definitely some companies that take full advantage of this though. Freeman vape juice - I love a lot of their stuff, but maaaaan, do I feel like a tool buying from them just because I know what I'm buying into. They use every possible condition under the sun to give you a reason to buy their stuff, and right meow.

 

[BillW50]

Was posted in the deeming thread (I think) that IQOS PMTA has been approved.

I'm really shocked.
I'm really shocked.
I'm really shocked.

I thought IQOS PMTA was approved over a year ago? And everyone was using that PMTA as the gold standard to model after for doing your PMTAs.

 

[YoursTruli]

I thought IQOS PMTA was approved over a year ago? And everyone was using that PMTA as the gold standard to model after for doing your PMTAs.

Yes, announced by the FDA April 2019
FDA permits sale of IQOS Tobacco Heating System through premarket tobacco product application pathway

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

I thought IQOS PMTA was approved over a year ago? And everyone was using that PMTA as the gold standard to model after for doing your PMTAs.

Prolly. Still an approved PMTA, though.

 

[Haktuspit]

I'd say I'm done stocking up but I'm really enjoying this new TFV12 Resa Prince. May have to get more. Also may have to sandblast my old ones and get the rest of the paint off that's peeling.

 

[Z-Lee]

I'd say I'm done stocking up but I'm really enjoying this new TFV12 Resa Prince. May have to get more. Also may have to sandblast my old ones and get the rest of the paint off that's peeling.

Resa Prince? Limited edition or specific coil?

 

[JCinFLA]

So still trying to buy more zenith .8 coils in bulk from my usual haunts... which all have been out of stock... still are

I just PM'd you about a website with lots of them.

ETA: Just found out they're having a Labor Day Sale, too...so they'd be an especially great price!

 

[Z-Lee]

They'll sell to the wholesalers, who inturn sell to the local shops.

Assuming the wholesaler will want to acquire/purchase a volume of products that were not approved and will potential be considered illegal after the 9th. They wouldn't want to be selling contraband I'm going to assume.

That's kind of what I'm been getting at here. It's likely that many of these bigger companies did not put in applications for every single item in their inventory, which means holding onto them and trying to sell them after the 9th becomes exponentially more risky. Why are they not trying to scoot this stuff out doors asap. Something just doesn't feel right here.

 

[smacuser]

As another industry that pretty much used the same technology gains popularity, I can see a lot of these devices being repurposed.

 

[zoiDman]

FYI: Liquid Barn is doing a 20% Labor Day Sale today only.

CODE: LABOR21

Liquid Barn™ - The Flavor Company

 

[Vapeon4Life]

FYI: Liquid Barn is doing a 20% Labor Day Sale today only.

CODE: LABOR21

Liquid Barn™ - The Flavor Company

Thanks! Have you used any of their flavors? Good?

I just received a small order of flavors from Bull City and will put them in the refrigerator
- Is that best for long term storage? About how long will they be good ?

Now tell me if this is true - They can't outlaw the flavors as they are food flavors not necessarily designed for vaping?

'They', I'm sure are already aware of this - Of course it just makes it harder to have flavored vape as you have to mix it yourself - Remember that is why they outlawed flavored pods "to save the children" from easy to use flavored pods.

Now will they be happy with this step in the way of readily accessible flavored vape juice,

Or, once they realizes that teenagers aren't as stupid as they are and also can mix themselves,
will they decide to outlaw all open liquids on the grounds that teenagers are mixing their own flavors into them???

Are we gettting to the point where they will decide that only tobacco flavored sealed pod systems will be
legal ????

 

[zoiDman]

Thanks! Have you used any of their flavors? Good?

...

I haven't.

I Don't do much DIY anymore. I do Flavored Wicks with Unflavored so a Bottle of Flavored e-Liquid lasts me a LONG Time.

But I have bought VG and PG from them. And it was fine.

 

[zoiDman]

...

Now tell me if this is true - They can't outlaw the flavors as they are food flavors not necessarily designed for vaping?

...

Food Flavorings are Not going to be Banned or Outlawed.

But some Retailers who were Heavily Tide to e-Cigarettes may find themselves in the Crosshairs of the FDA. So Flavorings aren't the Effected Entity. But some who Sell them may be.

 

[hittman]

I don't have many but LB ice cream and Lava cake were pretty good in my opinion.

 

[BillW50]

Food Flavorings are Not going to be Banned or Outlawed.

Not that I disagree, but the nice thing about purchasing flavors from a vape vendors is they don't sell flavors in a base that would be dangerous to vape. And maybe we should mention this more.

Sure, some vape vendors sell alcohol based flavors. This isn't dangerous AFAIK, just very harsh to vape. But once you DIY your e-juice, you just shake and vent it for a few hours and the alcohol evaporates.

But some of the flavor bases you will find at a non-vape vendor can also be oil based. This coating your lungs can suffocate you I am told. And the hospital can do nothing for you except watch you die.

 

[zoiDman]

Not that I disagree, but the nice thing about purchasing flavors from a vape vendors is they don't sell flavors in a base that would be dangerous to vape. And maybe we should mention this more.

Sure, some vape vendors sell alcohol based flavors. This isn't dangerous AFAIK, just very harsh to vape. But once you DIY your e-juice, you just shake and vent it for a few hours and the alcohol evaporates.

But some of the flavor bases you will find at a non-vape vendor can also be oil based. This coating your lungs can suffocate you I am told. And the hospital can do nothing for you except watch you die.

All Good Points. But Congress and FDA Couldn't really care less.

When Many of us 1st saw the wording... "reasonable expected to be used with a tobacco product" in the Deeming and Guidance, we knew that it was going to be a Problem.

And Selective Enforcement would be the Rules of the Game.

Anyway... Probably a Topic for another thread.

 

[YoursTruli]

Not that I disagree, but the nice thing about purchasing flavors from a vape vendors is they don't sell flavors in a base that would be dangerous to vape. And maybe we should mention this more.

Sure, some vape vendors sell alcohol based flavors. This isn't dangerous AFAIK, just very harsh to vape. But once you DIY your e-juice, you just shake and vent it for a few hours and the alcohol evaporates.

But some of the flavor bases you will find at a non-vape vendor can also be oil based. This coating your lungs can suffocate you I am told. And the hospital can do nothing for you except watch you die.

I think we should mention it more too. With so many new to DIY entering this forum and more to come it's something to be conscious of. I have seen many flavor reviews on Amazon with mad buyers who thought they were finished eliquid. Its not going to be pretty going forward

 

[Myrany]

Not that I disagree, but the nice thing about purchasing flavors from a vape vendors is they don't sell flavors in a base that would be dangerous to vape. And maybe we should mention this more.

Sure, some vape vendors sell alcohol based flavors. This isn't dangerous AFAIK, just very harsh to vape. But once you DIY your e-juice, you just shake and vent it for a few hours and the alcohol evaporates.

But some of the flavor bases you will find at a non-vape vendor can also be oil based. This coating your lungs can suffocate you I am told. And the hospital can do nothing for you except watch you die.

Back when I first started there were very few (I don't remember any but wont discount the possibility that I just didn't know any) flavoring sellers that were vape oriented. You just had to read the ingredients carefully and know not to get anything oil based. If a seller doesn't tell you what base they use in a flavor don't use the flavor. Heck there used to be an extensive list here on ECF of flavors to avoid.

I know that if FA goes away there are other Strawberry flavors that are safe and I can tolerate that are not vape specific because I used them before FA. I might not like them as much but the goal is to not smoke. They will do the trick.

EDIT: POTENTIALLY CONTROVERSIAL STATEMENTS COMING
Guys we have to change our perspective on how we vape. We have been spoiled by all the incredible advances in gear and liquids over the last 8 years or so. We now have to shift from the ooo shiny I want it phase to the make do phase. The point is not to smoke. A simple old school mech with a simple round wire coil in a IGO-L will provide enough vapor to keep someone off cigs. No it isn't the Big vapor producer with the ability to totally customize everything that our modern variable everything, fancy wire multi coil setups are. It will however achieve the goal.

When you are starving you might want steak but beans and rice will keep you alive.

All the stocking done was to put off the beans and rice phase as long as possible but we have to all face the possibility that for whatever reason we could be reduced to the last resort. Get the skills now to deal with it.

 

[DavidOck]

All the stocking done was to put off the beans and rice phase as long as possible but we have to all face the possibility that for whatever reason we could be reduced to the last resort. Get the skills now to deal with it.

With the (non)failure rate of regulated mods that I've experienced, probably enough of those that I'll need to put the in my will. But, just in case, yep, a few mechs in the box. Just in case. (And, being mtl, a mess of fuse units and "kick" modules, the mechs being telescoping they fit )

Made the choice some years back to ONLY use RTAs. Yeah, might find a nifty blister pack coil. This week. What about next year?? Like food flavorings, resistance wire will be around. Maybe not fancy winds, unless I want to wind my own claptons. But as you say, perfectly fine to NOT SMOKE.

 

[Rathamar]

When you are starving you might want steak but beans and rice will keep you alive.

All the stocking done was to put off the beans and rice phase as long as possible but we have to all face the possibility that for whatever reason we could be reduced to the last resort. Get the skills now to deal with it.

I can not agree with this more.
I don't want to sound like chicken little, but the end is near. At some point this will end. It may not be Sept 9th, but once it starts it will happen fast.

• If you don't know how to safely use mech mods, research and learn now.
• If you don't know how to build, learn how to now.
• If you don't know mix your own juice, learn how to now.
• If you don't have alternative sources PG/VG base, flavors, cotton, wire, or even batteries, find them now.

Now is the time to figure it out while you can still get what you are used to. For all of these, I have found helpful people on this site willing to provide insight and guidance to get me where I am at now. I have directed people to this site more in the last few months then I ever have before. This site is a great resource and I give many thinks to all of those who have helped me over the years.