IMO, the choke on nicotine base is still coming
that will happen after the PMTAs ... after the application fees have been cashed![]()
If you're a food processor, soap mfr., your business, and type of business is registered with the state.How can anyone know intent. If I buy VG and flavorings how does anyone know if I am cooking, making soap or vaping? It is so rediculous
Lol's. Disregard my last post...clearly you know all that.Just as an FYI, I use VG for many things, homemade soap, skin cream, I even use it on my horses hooves so how coukd anyone
My use tho is for personal use.If you're a food processor, soap mfr., your business, and type of business is registered with the state.
As an end consumer, I don't know how they can identify intent.
That's why it's been discussed that those mixing tobacco flavors may want to stock up, and others shouldn't be as worried.
Oh I just get ticked at FDA, nothing you wroteLol's. Disregard my last post...clearly you know all that.
Told y'all my brain is mush.
It's about the "intent" of usage
And that is where I think it will get ugly. And flavoring is not required in order to be considered a tobacco product. Nor nicotine. If you buy a bottle of VG from Walmart and rebottle it with an eLiquid label you now fall fully under deeming as a tobacco product manufacturer.How can anyone know intent. If I buy VG and flavorings how does anyone know if I am cooking, making soap or vaping? It is so rediculous
ThanksOh I just get ticked at FDA, nothing you wrote![]()
I think that IS the glimmer of hope in all this, but like you said, may be way down the road.Yeah... That was the FDA's created Net to catch All the Fish in one Cast.
I believe that the Courts will Rule that the FDA has Not been given that implied authority by the TCA/Congress. But unfortunately, that may way down the Road.
How can anyone know intent. If I buy VG and flavorings how does anyone know if I am cooking, making soap or vaping? It is so rediculous
I have said Many Times that much will have to do with how a product is Marketed/Advertised.
Take 3 Spools of the Exact Same Wire...
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Easy for the FDA to Regulate with the word "Vapes" on the product.
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Perhaps not as Easy. But Intended use thru the use of Clouds on product?
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Almost Impossible for the FDA to Regulate if sold from a Site that has No Association to Tobacco or Vaping.
If you buy a bottle of VG from Walmart and rebottle it with an eLiquid label you now fall fully under deeming as a tobacco product manufacturer.
It is my belief that the problem of controlling consumer skin care and food products (VG/PG) is the reason for the FDA's obsession over open system hardware. They really have thought this through and they know they have to stop the flow of hardware.Yeah... That was the FDA's created Net to catch All the Fish in one Cast.
I believe that the Courts will Rule that the FDA has Not been given that implied authority by the TCA/Congress. But unfortunately, that may way down the Road.
I remember that post. Spot on.The FDA will lean on how a Product is Marketed and Advertised. And whether or Not the Seller of an Intended Use product is also closely offering other "Tobacco Products".
Here is something I posted in another thread that Illustrates this...
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I think that IS the glimmer of hope in all this, but like you said, may be way down the road.![]()
It hasn't hurt vape shops yet even though almost free eLiquid is available to all. It is the demise of vape shops that will precipitate interest in DIY especially among the young never smoking clouds crowd for which neither nic nor flavoring is all that important.Which effectively kills most all vape shops that rely on house liquid revenue to stay in business. Thousands of people across the country will lose their jobs.
I understand their plan and don't plan to choose any of their options.No not impossible. In smokers they found a compliant group of citizens willing to be raped and plundered without any risk of backlash at the polls. It worked there. Why won't it work if they "evade" those taxes by switching to equally punitively taxed vaping? That's the plan.