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How can anyone know intent. If I buy VG and flavorings how does anyone know if I am cooking, making soap or vaping? It is so rediculous
If you're a food processor, soap mfr., your business, and type of business is registered with the state.
As an end consumer, I don't know how they can identify intent.
That's why it's been discussed that those mixing tobacco flavors may want to stock up, and others shouldn't be as worried.
 

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Just as an FYI, I use VG for many things, homemade soap, skin cream, I even use it on my horses hooves so how coukd anyone
Lol's. Disregard my last post...clearly you know all that. :facepalm:
Told y'all my brain is mush.
 
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If you're a food processor, soap mfr., your business, and type of business is registered with the state.
As an end consumer, I don't know how they can identify intent.
That's why it's been discussed that those mixing tobacco flavors may want to stock up, and others shouldn't be as worried.
My use tho is for personal use.
 
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It's about the "intent" of usage

Yeah... That was the FDA's created Net to catch All the Fish in one Cast.

I believe that the Courts will Rule that the FDA has Not been given that implied authority by the TCA/Congress. But unfortunately, that may way down the Road.
 

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How can anyone know intent. If I buy VG and flavorings how does anyone know if I am cooking, making soap or vaping? It is so rediculous
And that is where I think it will get ugly. And flavoring is not required in order to be considered a tobacco product. Nor nicotine. If you buy a bottle of VG from Walmart and rebottle it with an eLiquid label you now fall fully under deeming as a tobacco product manufacturer.

Yes it becomes increasingly ridiculous but there is over $32 billion in tobacco excise tax at stake and I think it is unwise to underestimate the lengths the govt will go to in a basically hopeless attempt at taxing PG and VG at over $1000/quart
 

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Oh I just get ticked at FDA, nothing you wrote :)
Thanks :) Sometimes I type/post faster than I think, or absorb what I'm replying to. :unsure:
I'm ticked too.
My cool off period wasn't long enough. :lol:
Yeah... That was the FDA's created Net to catch All the Fish in one Cast.

I believe that the Courts will Rule that the FDA has Not been given that implied authority by the TCA/Congress. But unfortunately, that may way down the Road.
I think that IS the glimmer of hope in all this, but like you said, may be way down the road. :(
 

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How can anyone know intent. If I buy VG and flavorings how does anyone know if I am cooking, making soap or vaping? It is so rediculous

The FDA will lean on how a Product is Marketed and Advertised. And whether or Not the Seller of an Intended Use product is also closely offering other "Tobacco Products".

Here is something I posted in another thread that Illustrates this...

I have said Many Times that much will have to do with how a product is Marketed/Advertised.

Take 3 Spools of the Exact Same Wire...

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Easy for the FDA to Regulate with the word "Vapes" on the product.

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Perhaps not as Easy. But Intended use thru the use of Clouds on product?

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Almost Impossible for the FDA to Regulate if sold from a Site that has No Association to Tobacco or Vaping.
 

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If you buy a bottle of VG from Walmart and rebottle it with an eLiquid label you now fall fully under deeming as a tobacco product manufacturer.

Which effectively kills most all vape shops that rely on house liquid revenue to stay in business. Thousands of people across the country will lose their jobs.
 

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Yeah... That was the FDA's created Net to catch All the Fish in one Cast.

I believe that the Courts will Rule that the FDA has Not been given that implied authority by the TCA/Congress. But unfortunately, that may way down the Road.
It is my belief that the problem of controlling consumer skin care and food products (VG/PG) is the reason for the FDA's obsession over open system hardware. They really have thought this through and they know they have to stop the flow of hardware.
 
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The FDA will lean on how a Product is Marketed and Advertised. And whether or Not the Seller of an Intended Use product is also closely offering other "Tobacco Products".

Here is something I posted in another thread that Illustrates this...
I remember that post. Spot on.
 

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I think that IS the glimmer of hope in all this, but like you said, may be way down the road. :(

I do believe that there are Parts of the FDA's Deeming that will be Struck Down by the Court(s). Especially with regards to Hardware.

But the Court System in this Country moves Very Slowly. And arguing sides use this to Their advantage. So I wouldn't let possibility of a Court Ruling influence one's preparedness in being Self-Sufficient.
 

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Which effectively kills most all vape shops that rely on house liquid revenue to stay in business. Thousands of people across the country will lose their jobs.
It hasn't hurt vape shops yet even though almost free eLiquid is available to all. It is the demise of vape shops that will precipitate interest in DIY especially among the young never smoking clouds crowd for which neither nic nor flavoring is all that important.
 

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No not impossible. In smokers they found a compliant group of citizens willing to be raped and plundered without any risk of backlash at the polls. It worked there. Why won't it work if they "evade" those taxes by switching to equally punitively taxed vaping? That's the plan.
I understand their plan and don't plan to choose any of their options.

A funny, but delightful realization I had just yesterday made me realize that I have a third option. I accidentally left my vaping gear at home as I was on my way to an afternoon of shopping and visiting with friends(early dinner included). So instead of turning around to retrieve them, I thought it would be a good test to see how I would react to the situation at hand. I only thought about it once maybe twice the entire afternoon/evening. To be fair, I really do not know if my lack of anxiety was due to the fact that I really can finally put this whole experience to rest once and for all, or if by my consuming caffeine throughout the entire outing played a part in that. Please don't get me wrong, I completely enjoy my many devices along with all the flavors etc. and this reaction was so totally unexpected that I question if I can truly repeat it. But I am determined not to give any more of my money to BT or to the Feds or to the states on this addiction. They have extracted way more than money from me and this is where I am drawing my proverbial line in the sand.

So getting back to your question I ask can you afford to pay all of the extra sin taxes proposed by state, Fed and local authorities? If you can and are willing to do so then go for it.
 

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