Just an FYI. got an email from opensourcevapor Indianas laws are forcing them to close and they are only taking orders to the end of the Month. The interesting thing is that they are selling GIANT bottles of their juice. Like 250 mls! I think I might buy a few big ones to store away. Then my nic stash can stay in the freezer a little longer.
Scum-guzzling gutter slugs. The "governor" has his nose so far up the tukuses of those who fund his moronic ideals. I am voting for John Gregg this fall..... if you're rich and extremely right-winged, you're golden. Sad thing is, I would guess 80% of the population doesn't fall into that category.
I have to say, that deal reeks so bad I can't see the US Attorney not pursue corruption charges if that stands. It is so obvious and manipulative that a third grader would recognize it like someone trying to steal their lunch money.
Yeah, but it is Indiana.
I'm toying with the idea of another liter of nic. I might want to grab some coils or at least another RBA head for my Simba (HG prize) which is probably my most "unique" topper. The only topper I haven't figured how to rebuild is my Nauti. If push comes to shove I will learn.
I've never ordered anything from them before but it's sad some businesses are pulling out this early in the game or dont have the funds to fight the fight.
I love their grape and the caramel. Super yummy. LOL. And since I have to learn to DIY I appreciate that they have their recipes posted.
There's another sale going on at Verde Valley Vapes, with a free 100 ml bottle for every $20 order, 2 100 ml for $50, etc. I just ordered some Ry4 (I really hope it's good, read nice stuff about it on the vvv thread) so I now have 340 ml being shipped for $40. If it's good I'm going to be swimming in juice and keep those bottle of nic on ice, literally, for a while.
I would have to dig back to find the original ruling, but in essence it came down to "just because it contains nicotine, or the word "cigarette" in the description, doesn't make it tobacco". It was something rational and sane along those lines. Not that NY state won't still have another go at it, but they'll be be behind at the plate this time around.
I'm wondering if they were aware of the definition of tobacco products in the 2009 TCA? And if so did they address that?
I was just reading open source vapors about us page. They have a unique VG and natural flavor and sweeten with stevia. So sad Indiana has screwed them over. It's a crime. In their explanation it says they are not even allowed to DIY their own juice, is this true for all Indiana residents??? Geez! It is getting bad out there.
Are you sure the court case you are talking about was a result of the aattempt to tax e-cigs. There was a ruling that " vaping is not smoking " as it applies to bans on smoking in public places. Perhaps that's what you remember !?
And, as the court noted,
An electronic cigarette neither burns nor contains tobacco. Instead, the use of such a device, which is commonly referred to as “vaping,” involves “the inhalation of vapourized e-cigarette liquid consisting of water, nicotine, a base of propylene glycol or vegetable glycerin and occasionally, flavouring.”This does not fit within the definition of “smoking” under PHL § 1399-o.
People v Thomas
Vaping isn’t smoking, for purposes of N.Y. state ban on smoking in many public places
Sorry, my bad. It wasn't related to taxation, but on regulation of tobacco use. Here's a pertinent quote from that finding:
So the state assembly did amend to include e-cigs, but the state senate did not pass it. So it's still sitting waiting for new legislation to be enacted, as under the current law, it does not meet the definition in statue as ""Smoking" means the burning of a lighted cigar, cigarette, pipe or any other matter or substance which contains tobacco."
Edit: @Mazinny , you're correct, it was not a tax ruling, but farther on it brought in the NYS Tax codes requirements of defining a tobacco shop, because in the absence, the Department of Health lacks the ability to assure compliance with age restrictions being implemented.
At least someone recognizes the difference between a burning tobacco leaf and a vaporized solution. Now let's see if the Federal judge hearing this can apply common sense as well.
Ok Ohio calls a cigarette a product that contains nicotine and is burned or heated, so wording is already there
A woman from Ohio just posted in the Giant Vapes group on Facebook they can no longer ship to Ohio. This is happening in a couple of other states, too.
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They do not have a choice, as of July 1st it will be illegal for them to sell in Indiana, only 6 vape shops were approved by the security company (2 of which do not even have a business there as of yet) and the other several hundred (?) that make eqliquid in the state have to shut down.
Did she say why they can not ship to Ohio and which vape business is this?
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I've never bought from them before. Have they always had their recipes posted like that or did they do that in response to Indiana's new law? What a fabulously boss way to flip the buzzards the middle finger if they did it in response to the new law.
Eh, another 30 pages of this thread to go, which I dunno if I'm gonna make it through right now (okay, I'm not!) but just to mention this: The End of Vaping, or at least awareness of what's just on the horizon, is pretty common here, and on a few other forums. However, out of the 5 family members and roughly 15 friends that I have, who also vape, not a single one of them had any awareness whatsoever about what's coming, "they're going to make it so only adults can buy e-cigs right? That makes sense." Erm, no, that's not it.
FWIW every single B&M I've visited lately -- with the single exception of vape shops in NYC -- is likewise seemingly unaware of what's coming, or just lying to their customers.
If you know what's about to happen, then you at least have the option of making choices. In my case, I'm all set here in TeH BuNk3r with roughly 40 mods (see I JUST KNEW shinyitus wasn't a disease!), 35 years of nic (probably 50 years by August 8th because I just keep buying it), PG/VG, attys, wick, wire, even batteries. So, I'm going a bit overboard <shrug> what else is new. I fully expect I'll end up giving half of it away to family and friends, who are "all set" with 250ml of 25mg/ml nic, and THREE KANGER SUBTANK MINIS BRO! AND I'M GONNA BUY AT LEAST 300ML of JUICE DURING JULY 4TH SALES! B'okay, so that'll last 6 months at best, and then what? (the answer for most = go buy another pack of smokes.)
The thing is... most people, do not know what's about to happen. And that's sad. It's more than sad, it's just wrong. I'd use the words immoral and unethical, but they're not compatible with the concept of government.
Many tnx to @WillyZee & @ENAUD
Fortunately I kept reading what else had been posted before posting a reply to correct your original post
Through the last 6 years we've had several proposed pieces of legislation in NYS that would have been disastrous for vaping here, but most have not made it out of the state Senate's Health Committee, if they've made it that far. The Feb 2016 court ruling that vaping wasn't the same as smoking for purposes of imposing the same restrictions as smoking in the subway in NYC was a landmark decision for us. But, the judge didn't say "vaping laws" couldn't be enacted, just that in the absence of vaping laws, they could not arrest and impose penalties for "smoking" when he was not smoking, but instead vaping.
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