Sounds idiotic, unreasonable, discriminatory, and contrary to public health to me. (Isn't the First Amendment wonderful?!)
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Are you KIDDING ME??? Vape banned for 4th of July!
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Sounds idiotic, unreasonable, discriminatory, and contrary to public health to me. (Isn't the First Amendment wonderful?!)
No. Why should vapers, who in most cases are giving up or have given up smoking, have to subject themselves to smoke simply because people think that vaping is smoking? If we're worried about kids then worry about them inhaling all the fumes that fireworks give off. Or better still, let them enjoy themselves. They're there to have fun - and none of them will care about adults doing adult things.
If their conclusion is based on ignorance then I'm afraid that that's their problem. If vaping is allowed in the stadium then vape. If it isn't, then don't.
Yes, it is happening, and it must be fought. ANTZ have been using the "if it looks like smoking it must be evil" rationale to try to get vaping prohibited for years. Probably will for years to come. And we'll just keep fighting and working to change the perception. Easy is not always right. Some of us simply will not give up!
Yes it is the problem of those managing the stadium, and they have chosen to deal with the problem of vapers who look like they are smoking to others, so have prohibited vaping...
What does this mean? You mean either go with the smokers or don't do it? Are there any other activities you would like to prohibit? Eating sweets, maybe, because children might see you do it? It could cause childhood obesity! History shows that prohibition is pretty useless imho..
I'd like to think youd rather smell blueberry crumble versus the BO, sweat and over powering perfume coming from 10,000 people. I know I would
The gateway theory is bunk, every study that comes about shows that non smokers and younger people (unless they have already smoked) have no interest in ecigs or taking up vaping.
What we should be able to do is live in a free society governed by sensible laws and regulations backed by scientific evidence and common sense.
Perhaps the point here is that such a decision is overkill. Should we ban people dressing as pirates at fancy-dress parties because they look as if they're about to steal all the gold? Because someone might assume they are REAL pirates?
It is a false presumption to assume that, when someone looks as if they are doing something, then they're doing it.
What you fail to understand is that I don't care either way. I am simply explaining why vaping prohibitions are occurring. I certainly never said I agree with the prohibitions. I think they are silly. I can, however, look at the issue without emotion and see why things are happening and will continue to happen. Apparently some can not.
Yes, one can wait. I won't go in the smoking rooms of airports. I wait.
Vaping is not going into a bank wearing a ski mask, by any stretch of the imagination. Go into a bank wearing a pirate's hat - it doesn't mean that you're going to break the law.
Now, stevegmu has an interesting theory:
when somebody's back is turned to me, then I automatically lose my sense of smell.
As in: when somebody vapes with their face turned to me, I can smell that it is vapor. But when they turn their back to me, then I automatically lose my sense of smell, and I can no longer smell the difference between smoke and vapor.
Could stevegmu please elaborate on this theory? This is the first time I have heard this theory.
It reminds me a little of the "scientific experiment" that proved that a spider with no legs is deaf.
when somebody's back is turned to me, then I automatically lose my sense of smell.
As in: when somebody vapes with their face turned to me, I can smell that it is vapor. But when they turn their back to me, then I automatically lose my sense of smell, and I can no longer smell the difference between smoke and vapor.
Could stevegmu please elaborate on this theory? This is the first time I have heard this theory.
It reminds me a little of the "scientific experiment" that proved that a spider with no legs is deaf.
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Thank you for the explanation, but I think we already know that. What we're discussing is what are we going to do about it?
Things are happening and will continue to happen unless we do something about it. Contributions to that discussion would no doubt be received with appreciation.
Now, stevegmu has an interesting theory:
when somebody's back is turned to me, then I automatically lose my sense of smell.
As in: when somebody vapes with their face turned to me, I can smell that it is vapor. But when they turn their back to me, then I automatically lose my sense of smell, and I can no longer smell the difference between smoke and vapor.
I've been thinking about this for a while now, and it seems to me that smell, or odor, is one part of the equation ignored (intentionally?) or at least never mentioned by ANTZ: the immediately recognizable difference between the odor of cigarette smoke and vapor. They say that enforcers can't differentiate between a smoker and a vaper, because vaping looks like smoking. But it doesn't smell like smoking!
And if someone is far enough away from me that they can't tell whether I'm smoking or vaping (because they can't smell the smoke), then they're not in any danger either way.
What YOU fail to understand is that you clearly do care. You care enough to post this kind of thing repeatedly. I am a little unsure of your motivation in doing so but am quite happy to tackle your arguments rather than you. By using the first person pronoun in the above quote you are clearly trying to provoke a response. Are you a masochist? That's your choice. Vaping is ours.
I believe it's mostly about "policing the issue".
If they allowed vaping, smokers would see it as a means to "stealth smoke" during the event. As someone else mentioned, from a distance, the people that are doing the enforcing (whether police or others) might not be able to tell if the person is smoking a cigarette or vaping. They probably don't have the manpower or desire to investigate every cloud they see in the crowd, so they just ban it all.
Doesn't make it right, but it is what it is.
Our Little League doesn't allow vaping at the ballfields either. And it's mainly due to the fact that they don't want people in the stands blowing clouds (a part of it is also because of the number of children there and vaping is an adult activity - drinking alcohol isn't allowed there either, obviously), because smokers will take advantage of that "loophole" and stealth smoke (or maybe not even stealth).
Again, I don't think it's necessarily the right thing to do, but I can understand it. If I was running a large event, I might do the same. There's enough things to worry about during these types of events than having to decide if someone is smoking or vaping.
If they allowed vaping, smokers would see it as a means to "stealth smoke" during the event. As someone else mentioned, from a distance, the people that are doing the enforcing (whether police or others) might not be able to tell if the person is smoking a cigarette or vaping. They probably don't have the manpower or desire to investigate every cloud they see in the crowd, so they just ban it all.
Doesn't make it right, but it is what it is.
Our Little League doesn't allow vaping at the ballfields either. And it's mainly due to the fact that they don't want people in the stands blowing clouds (a part of it is also because of the number of children there and vaping is an adult activity - drinking alcohol isn't allowed there either, obviously), because smokers will take advantage of that "loophole" and stealth smoke (or maybe not even stealth).
Again, I don't think it's necessarily the right thing to do, but I can understand it. If I was running a large event, I might do the same. There's enough things to worry about during these types of events than having to decide if someone is smoking or vaping.
Yes, I fully agree. I have been wondering at that (deliberate?) omission as well.
After all, the smoking bans were introduced also because non-smokers do not like the smell of tobacco smoke. They always say "it stinks".
Now, with vaping, there is no smell of tobacco smoke, no such "stink". - Now, everybody falls all over themselves about "the look". Hey, the other day somebody on this forum said that, at the beach, she does not like the look of (if I remember correctly) "a hog in a string bikini". I do not like that look either. But heck, if I do not like the look of a "hog in a string bikini" at the beach, I can look the other way. Where is the difficulty with that?
Yes folks, this is a heated topic on all sides, please remember to keep personal attacks out of responses and try not to take discussions too personally. If you start feeling a little agitated by the content, please take a vape, step back and come back to the thread another time None of us need to fight amongst each other.
Interestingly about the smell/throat hit thing, try vaping with your eyes closed, nice long draw, then do it with your eyes open...repeat with pinching your nose ect...
Our senses are all tied together intricately and probably deeper than many of us are ultimately aware. I tend to think that smoking and vaping habits/routines ingrain deeper than our conscious and a lot of it gets stored in our subconscious for whatever reason, probably mostly to prevent "overkill" on the human psyche... Then again I am no expert but just my opinion... *slips on tin hat*
Anyways, at the end of the day, the bans and regulations are happening, theyre happening based on Junk Science, misinformation, and just plain ole ignorance on "experts" AND vapers behalves. We all need to stick together (regardless of our personal beliefs on the situation) and try to prevent ridiculous things from happening to protect ourselves and the next generation of switchers. Many adults are making an informed switch, it is inevitable that younger adults and some smoking children, will follow suite.
None of us need to fight amongst each other.Interestingly about the smell/throat hit thing, try vaping with your eyes closed, nice long draw, then do it with your eyes open...repeat with pinching your nose ect...
Our senses are all tied together intricately and probably deeper than many of us are ultimately aware. I tend to think that smoking and vaping habits/routines ingrain deeper than our conscious and a lot of it gets stored in our subconscious for whatever reason, probably mostly to prevent "overkill" on the human psyche... Then again I am no expert but just my opinion... *slips on tin hat*
Anyways, at the end of the day, the bans and regulations are happening, theyre happening based on Junk Science, misinformation, and just plain ole ignorance on "experts" AND vapers behalves. We all need to stick together (regardless of our personal beliefs on the situation) and try to prevent ridiculous things from happening to protect ourselves and the next generation of switchers. Many adults are making an informed switch, it is inevitable that younger adults and some smoking children, will follow suite.
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