Are you KIDDING ME??? Vape banned for 4th of July!

[Anjaffm]

As to the OP's situation, I agree with zapped:

Nope

But then I wouldnt be going there in the first place.....on principle alone.

The 4th is supposed to be a celebration of our independence and patriotism as well as our appreciation of the values and ideals that made this country strong.

Giving in to the demands of people who want to force their agenda on the rest of us runs counter to the very spirit of the day....and what it means to be an American.

Plenty of other places celebrating the 4th instead of supporting those who refuse to allow vaping in an open air venue of all places.

just my

I cannot see celebrating "Independence Day" while cowering before arbitrary regulations. There is no "independence" in that. Such an action would - to me - be reminiscient of celebrating "freedom of expression" on the Red Square in Moscow on May Day, during Soviet times. (Of course, the Soviet Union had "freedom of expression". As long as that expression expressed the party line )

I personally would write a letter to the organizers, describing briefly that I used to enjoy the event for x years and that it used to be very nice indeed. But now, as I have taken the decision to inhale harmless vapor instead of harmful tobacco smoke, I have no intention of standing in the smokers corner with my vaporizer and being subjected to tobacco smoke.
(IF they have a smokers corner, that is. I am not clear on that point. If not, I would continue by saying that I am proud of no longer inhaling smoke and I am appalled at the decision not to allow the use of a harmless vaporizer at the event).
Thus, I will not attend the event again, and neither will my friends who have always gladly accompanied me. Thank you and have a nice day.

And then I would take my business elsewhere and celebrate Independence Day at a venue where I can be independent.

 

[turbocad6]

BTW, stealth vaping is a bunch of crap. Vaping at work, in airplane bathrooms, at public events and otherwise just shows two things. One, you're ashamed of what you're doing because you can't do it openly and two you have no self control. And those are two arguments that people against vaping will use to continue to ban vaping at events.

Okay I know this is not going to be the popular vote buuuuut... what is with the stealth vaping? If people are caught doing this, doesn't it just make a bigger case for them to ban it? You are sneaking to do it so it must be a bad thing. Just my 2 cents

I stealth vape to be courteous to those around me and to avoid confrontation, not because I am embarrassed or feel I'm doing something wrong. I understand why it is not accepted behaviour in a crowded venue and although I don't necessarily agree with the logic of "well it looks like smoking" I can certainly understand that from a managerial point of view. in my opinion it is no ones business what I do, why do I need to make it someone elses business, risk a confrontation from some ignorant guy and wind up having to leave in handcuffs because I had to shut him up as things escalated? so you see, for me stealth vaping when appropriate is more about avoiding confrontation than anything else. do whatever you want to do as long as it's not going to interfere with others, as long as your not bothering me I don't care what you do, and I do the same. now truth is if someone was blowing clouds at me I'd probably be in the same situation on the other side, who the heck are you to be blowing smoke in my face, you got a problem?? I don't like handcuffs and I avoid them whenever I reasonably can, it's nothing but courtesy and avoiding irritating those around me for no good reason

I believe it's mostly about "policing the issue".

If they allowed vaping, smokers would see it as a means to "stealth smoke" during the event. As someone else mentioned, from a distance, the people that are doing the enforcing (whether police or others) might not be able to tell if the person is smoking a cigarette or vaping. They probably don't have the manpower or desire to investigate every cloud they see in the crowd, so they just ban it all.

Doesn't make it right, but it is what it is.

Our Little League doesn't allow vaping at the ballfields either. And it's mainly due to the fact that they don't want people in the stands blowing clouds (a part of it is also because of the number of children there and vaping is an adult activity - drinking alcohol isn't allowed there either, obviously), because smokers will take advantage of that "loophole" and stealth smoke (or maybe not even stealth).

Again, I don't think it's necessarily the right thing to do, but I can understand it. If I was running a large event, I might do the same. There's enough things to worry about during these types of events than having to decide if someone is smoking or vaping.

that^^^ I agree with

 

[Anjaffm]

Anyways, at the end of the day, the bans and regulations are happening, theyre happening based on Junk Science, misinformation, and just plain ole ignorance on "experts" AND vapers behalves. We all need to stick together (regardless of our personal beliefs on the situation) and try to prevent ridiculous things from happening to protect ourselves and the next generation of switchers. Many adults are making an informed switch, it is inevitable that younger adults and some smoking children, will follow suite.

Thank you very much indeed for your posting but especially for this

And to preclude any "worries" with regard to younger adults and smoking "children" - as in adolescents, not as in pre-schoolers - well, if vaping had been around when I was 16, then I could easily have saved myself 35 years of smoking. (And no, I did not start smoking to be "cool". I started smoking because it deadens hunger pangs. You see, I wanted to be fashionably skinny. Like so many young girls, at any time in these modern, media-influenced days.)

 

[realsis]

This may sound awful but I just vape in the bathroom if it's banned. No one sees the vapor it goes quite quickly and there is no smell. What's funny is believe it or not you can get away with it. The other day I needed to get tires for my car and I was waiting for them to be put on in the waiting room. Outside where I live was 110 degrees and it was soon hot, I went into the bathroom and had a vape and no one was the wiser because it does not stink and vapor goes so fast. So if you really must vape when your out just have a couple drags in the stall and no one will know. Now, I understand that's a hefty fine but by the time some one "told" on you there would be no evidence of you vaping left. So if your desperate you can seek a vape that way. I know this probably sounds horrible but that's what I do if I'm in desperate need. Or you can always go to your car and vape. They can't tell you not to vape in your own vehicle! That's another thing I do. IL just go to the car if it's not too hot out. Hope this helps but be smart because none of this is worth a huge fine. Best wishes

 

[kemishdo]

This may sound awful but I just vape in the bathroom if it's banned. No one sees the vapor it goes quite quickly and there is no smell. What's funny is believe it or not you can get away with it. The other day I needed to get tires for my car and I was waiting for them to be put on in the waiting room. Outside where I live was 110 degrees and it was soon hot, I went into the bathroom and had a vape and no one was the wiser because it does not stink and vapor goes so fast. So if you really must vape when your out just have a couple drags in the stall and no one will know. Now, I understand that's a hefty fine but by the time some one "told" on you there would be no evidence of you vaping left. So if your desperate you can seek a vape that way. I know this probably sounds horrible but that's what I do if I'm in desperate need. Or you can always go to your car and vape. They can't tell you not to vape in your own vehicle! That's another thing I do. IL just go to the car if it's not too hot out. Hope this helps but be smart because none of this is worth a huge fine. Best wishes

I vape in the bathroom as well. It's a long walk out of my building to the smoking area and it's hot as heck out today. I wait until I'm alone and vape until I'm satisfied, then back to my desk.

 

[jpargana]

It looks like smoking. If smokers see people vaping, they will light up. This is why vaping will be prohibited in all public places where smoking is prohibited. Not because of safety.

 

[Mrs C]

I can understand the policing difficulties at a large event. We would like to think common sense abounds. That everyone will instantly understand the difference between a pv and a combustible tobacco product when they see or smell the cloud, the reality is they don't.
Yes, in the long run education has the chance to overcome, but it takes time.

Should vapers be restricted to toxic smoke pits ? NO If the event has planned designated smoking area's, could they not have designated vaping area's?

This is a prime opportunity to EDUCATE those who set the policies on such event's. It may be to late for this year's event, but if you can organize, educate, show that the numbers of vapers attending the event justify it, it's possible.

It would be one heck of a start. Baby steps can be highly effective. Look at what ANTZ accomplished using them.

 

[Jman8]

We've got to get a little more realistic in what we think we should be able to do. There's going to be lots of kids there. If they allow vaping then what kind of message does that send. It says to the kids, oh vaping is ok so I can vape cool. We don't want kids to vape or grow up vapers.

"We" don't?

Please (anyone) explain to me the issue of kids vaping 0 nic.

This notion of it says to kids that vaping is okay, is part of the education. Certainly not the kind we can broadcast in an adult world caught up with political correctness, but one that we also can't afford to run away from. If vaping is truly okay for us, then it is truly okay for kids. Again, we need not assume that one is vaping nicotine, and there would be no way for a kid to discern that. Plus, as everyone reading this was at one time a kid, then just think back to all the dozens of times you saw adults doing things that adults did. Did you sit there and contemplate the nature of right and wrong, and say, "I need to try that. Now!" Or did you continue playing and going about your business as if it was a fleeting moment and no big deal whatever they were up to? While I can't speak for anyone on this, I can guess and I think kids mostly don't care what adults are up to. I think they fully get that adults are doing things differently. Things that they probably wouldn't enjoy. If a kid sees an adult eating broccoli or cauliflower, is the kid saying in that moment, "I need some of that!" A kid can see two adults kissing, happily, and be like, "ooo gross. Cooties!"

Anyway, I could ramble on this topic forever as it is always fun challenging the ageism that adults routinely display on the issue of kids and what is absolutely right to forbid kids doing, even while it is seemingly okay for adults.

 

[Jman8]

I believe it's mostly about "policing the issue".

If they allowed vaping, smokers would see it as a means to "stealth smoke" during the event. As someone else mentioned, from a distance, the people that are doing the enforcing (whether police or others) might not be able to tell if the person is smoking a cigarette or vaping. They probably don't have the manpower or desire to investigate every cloud they see in the crowd, so they just ban it all.

Doesn't make it right, but it is what it is.

It is what it is needs to be explored further though. I would say my primary concern would be to understand the policy. So, I googled "Calabasa, Fireworks 2014." Found a number of links, one from the City's website. Nothing there about vaping specifically, but a note on "no tobacco." Other links I found don't mention "no vaping." I'm guessing OP found article that does have this information, but given information found online, it strikes me as not something that is exactly strict.

Either way (strict or not, but policy in place), I would think this is decent CTA for vapers of So.Cal. Though maybe not great, as L.A. strikes me as one of the type of areas that is rather strict on vaping anywhere. We already answered CTA's that tackled the larger issue, but this might not be a horrible place to do a little protesting around the outdoor policy.

I don't know the area all that well, but if it is like other parts of America, I image there will be smokers of other stuff doing their business, and drinkers of alcohol disobeying the "no alcohol" policy.

As someone that routinely advocates for vape everywhere, I'd vape there, but do so discreetly. I'd find spots (i.e. bathroom) where it would be rather impossible for me to get caught, and I'd act natural. In all the places I currently vape (indoors), it's not like smoking is allowed there, so I make the decision to vape like I belong there. I would say chances are very good at event like this, that policing won't really care. If one were intentionally being obnoxious about their exhaled vapor, I think some might care. Otherwise, no. And very confident that once fireworks start, and everyone is looking up, in the dark, that vapor would be impossible to detect.

"Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?"

 

[sneakerpimp]

This may sound awful but I just vape in the bathroom if it's banned. No one sees the vapor it goes quite quickly and there is no smell. What's funny is believe it or not you can get away with it. The other day I needed to get tires for my car and I was waiting for them to be put on in the waiting room. Outside where I live was 110 degrees and it was soon hot, I went into the bathroom and had a vape and no one was the wiser because it does not stink and vapor goes so fast. So if you really must vape when your out just have a couple drags in the stall and no one will know...

it may leave someone scratching their head about a wonderful maple syrup aroma.

 

[e-pipeman]

it may leave someone scratching their head about a wonderful maple syrup aroma.

There's been a strong maple syrup aroma on the forum lately.

 

[CMD-Ky]

On Independence Day, more government control - ironic, but fitting for our time.

 

[sneakerpimp]

There's been a strong maple syrup aroma on the forum lately.

along with piratey shenanigans

 

[spartanstew]

drinkers of alcohol disobeying the "no alcohol" policy.

Out of curiosity, I wonder if folks that like to drink are as up in arms about the "no alcohol" policy as many vapers are about the "no vaping policy"? If not, why not?

They're both legal activities for adults.

That's what I meant by "It is what it is". It's their policy and they have a right to choose it. I may not like it, as much as I might no like the no alcohol policy, but I don't have a right to vape anywhere I choose, nor do I have a right to drink alcohol anywhere I choose. If I want to enjoy the festivities, I'll do so without vaping or drinking alcohol. If vaping and/or alcohol are more important to me that the festivities, I wouldn't go.

 

[spartanstew]

I cannot see celebrating "Independence Day" while cowering before arbitrary regulations. There is no "independence" in that. Such an action would - to me - be reminiscient of celebrating "freedom of expression" on the Red Square in Moscow on May Day, during Soviet times. (Of course, the Soviet Union had "freedom of expression". As long as that expression expressed the party line )

It's probably just one of many arbitrary regulations (no alcohol, no firearms, maybe even no marshmallows). Just about any organized 4th of July festivities I've ever been to has had some arbitrary regulations. I never got upset about these regulations before, so probably won't now.

 

[PLANofMAN]

12 ounce cans
I'm a rebel. If I had to put up with that kind of s..., I'd own one of these. I also vape unscented e-juice in airplane bathrooms, and that is a $5,000 fine if you get caught. Thank goodness for privacy locks. I also stealth vape in the cabin too...and that is a $3,000 fine...again, they actually have to catch you first. I don't know (or have heard of) anyone who has been caught stealth vaping.

 

[e-pipeman]

I never got upset about these regulations before, so probably won't now.

It's good that we don't get too upset. But excessive regulation is never a good idea imho. If excessive regulation got its way there would be no fireworks. "Explosives in a public place - call health and safety!". The antz view on vaping often feels like this

 

[cocacola31173]

I read this thread twice before deciding to reply. It seems to me that the main problem is behavior. Ours as vapers and theirs as smokers and non-smokers.

It's ridiculous to think that you can change and entire culture's behavior overnight and that's exactly what we as vapers expect. We're not even a culture unto ourselves, we're a sub-culture. Smoking tobacco is the culture that exists, we exist within it. Separate, but certainly within.

Tobacco, all tobacco, has been ever present in this country since it's founding in 1776, that's nearly 240 years of culturally excepted behavior that is only now changing. In fact, tobacco has been a booming industry even before the US was the US. It seems a fact that some of us has forgotton.

Less than thirty years ago you could smoke in almost every public building. I know because I was a smoker and I did it. I would smoke in the halls of my college waiting for class. I could smoke in the lounge of my dentist's office. I was even able to smoke at my desk at my very first job after college and that was in 1991. Thirty years is not a long time considering the original time line of 240 and tobacco's long deep running history in this country.

That said, we as vapers are supposed to be more evolved. We know that smoking is bad for us, we've moved on. We enjoy nicotine or just the act of smoking, but we're not willing to sacrifice our health to do so. So why then in the face of 240 years of culturally driven addiction and ignorance do we turn into a bunch of whiny .......?!?!

You can't vape at a fireworks show? Hit them where it hurts, don't go. Spend your dollars elsewhere. It's the fourth of July. There will be fireworks shows aplenty. There's a restaurant that won't allow you to vape? Don't go. There are plenty of places to eat. You're going to take your vaping and vape on your own property, go ahead, no one cares what you do on you're own land.

Changing the behavior of one person is daunting enough, but to try and change an entire culture is a very very slow process and cannot be achieved overnight. It's going to be slow, exhausting and probably won't happen in lifetime of anyone that's reading this post right now.

BTW, stealth vaping is a bunch of crap. Vaping at work, in airplane bathrooms, at public events and otherwise just shows two things. One, you're ashamed of what you're doing because you can't do it openly and two you have no self control. And those are two arguments that people against vaping will use to continue to ban vaping at events.

I remember in 1990 when my cousin had her baby that she was allowed to smoke in her room as long as the baby wasn't in there. Now hospitals are banning smoking anywhere on the property..

 

[Anjaffm]

On Independence Day, more government control - ironic, but fitting for our time.

"Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?"

Precisely.

And @PLANofMAN:
You better use that soda can while you still can.

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“...unfit for regular human consumption.”

In much the same way cigarettes have been demonized throughout recent decades, certain foods – specifically sugary drinks – are now seen as the scourge of humanity by many radical leftists.

Those will be really nice "festivities" really soon. Nothing like celebrating one's "independence" with a bowl of government-approved gruel and some government-approved bottled water to go with that. And you better not sit down to enjoy that wonderful treat:

Here's Just How Bad Sitting Around Is For You

We all know that sitting is the new smoking — it raises the risk of disability, diabetes, heart disease and cancer, not to mention obesity.

May the good Lord take me away before the Nanny Staters rule every facet of what used to be our lives.

 

[CKCalmer]

A moral injustice only continues to happen if it is allowed to continue to happen. Not acting to stop it does not make a person guilty of the injustice, but it does make them wrong.

Great Britain imposed taxation and political control over their American colonies without allowing them representation in British government until enough colonists stood up and said, "No more." It took years, but the injustice ended and society adapted. They did this instead of saying, "The injustice is going to happen and that's just the way it is, so we should keep our heads down and tolerate it."

Slavery was legal and prevalent in the United States until enough Americans stood up and said, "No more." It took years, but the injustice ended and society adapted. They did this instead of saying, "The injustice is going to happen and that's just the way it is, so we should keep our heads down and tolerate it."

Women were not allowed to vote in the United States until enough Americans stood up and said, "No more." It took years, but the injustice ended and society adapted. They did this instead of saying, "The injustice is going to happen and that's just the way it is, so we should keep our heads down and tolerate it."

Vapers will not be allowed to vape without unreasonable restrictions and bans until enough people stand up and say, "No more." It will take years, but the injustice will end and society will adapt. We must do this instead of saying, "The injustice is going to happen and that's just the way it is, so we should keep our heads down and tolerate it."