Artic Fox offers some support for Lost Vape Quest chipsets...

[Mordacai]

Just stumbled across this folks and thought it would be of interest to many.

Artic Fox firmware forum link.

Unofficial - Lost Vape - Quest Chip (Grus, Ursa, Cyborg, BTB, Thelema, Centaurus)

Is support for the upcoming Lost Vape Grus (Quest chipset) a possibility? Seems like a solid device and there aren't a lot of decent, single 21700 mods...

nfeteam.org

Russian reviewer/modder modding the firmware on a Centaurus BF. Apologies for only being available in Russian, but it at least goes through the process and shows what can be achieved.

 

[ShamrockPat]

I keep up on that interesting post. It's not all quest chipsets that are compatible, and requires custom cables or soldering on the board itself. Lately, on some boards LV actually used hobbled clone chips for the processor which requires a new original with like 50 solder points
Edit: And that video is by Milen, a Bulgarian, so it all sounds Greek to me.

 

[Mordacai]

I was hearing that a modified USB A to C cable was needed @ShamrockPat, as well as in that video that some shorting/jumping of pins on IC's.

But it's about typical that LV would do all they could to cripple things, their software/firmware implementation takes a lot to be desired.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

Sounds like a total PITA to me.

Happy to own several OG mods that function perfectly fine with AF.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

This post by maelstrom2001 from 13 March 2021 at the NFE Team Forum has info + links in the thread for hacking each mod and also for making a custom USB cable.

Unofficial - Lost Vape - Quest Chip (Grus, Ursa, Cyborg, BTB, Thelema, Centaurus)

Hello! Can anyone here explain the dc-dc converter method commonly used in mods? It is H-Bridge buck-boost converter. 5 mosfets 5th MOSFET is a switch...

nfeteam.org

FWIW, the thread was started on 14 October 2020.


The guide for the Grus from 6 January 2021.

Something here and here for the Cyborg Quest + Ursa.

LV BTB (Back to Basic) info.

Thelema Solo info.

Making the custom USB cable.


None of that ^^^^^^ is a task for your average vaper. LOLz
As such, I do not think this will be "of interest to many". You "might" find one person on ECF, maybe, who is willing to go through the hassle.


Widyahong posted info on the STM32 chip.


Question: Is it worth the hassle / PITA??? Hmmm, I don't think so. LOLz


Personally, I would look into seeing if an Evolv chipset would fit in one of the LV devices. I don't own any LV devices, always thought they were cheaply made.

If one is serious about using TC they might as well use the best chipsets, Evolv. No-brainer, IMO. Just seems like the more intelligent route to me.

Or...... just purchase a decent DNA mod and be done with it.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

and before anyone attempts it . . . i'd suggest reading the entire thread (31 pages)

 

[ShowMeTwice]

But it's about typical that LV would do all they could to cripple things, their software/firmware implementation takes a lot to be desired.

That ^^^^^^ makes zero sense.

What in their firmware implementation leaves a lot to be desired??? Be specific.

LV didn't "cripple" anything. Their designs were NOT built with the intention of making them compatible with Arctic Fox. No mod designers build their gear for AF.

If you have the engineering know-how required to design, build and write firmware perhaps you should give it a go.

 

[ShamrockPat]

I was hearing that a modified USB A to C cable was needed @ShamrockPat, as well as in that video that some shorting/jumping of pins on IC's.

But it's about typical that LV would do all they could to cripple things, their software/firmware implementation takes a lot to be desired.

Yes, depending on the actual board itself.

I only own 8 LV DNA mods and the quality has only gone down since the DNA200 days and the brothers split. I would just say typical China, building to the cheapest cost.

Even down to the screens on their DNA mods. They're not from Evolv, and you can buy the cheapest they use on Aliexpress for ~$3. So then, when a user does a reset to defaults on a DNA, the colors are inverted because LV was too lazy to write it into their defaults. A sad day nonetheless.

 

[ShamrockPat]

Personally, I would look into seeing if an Evolv chipset would fit in one of the LV devices. I don't own any LV devices, always thought they were cheaply made.

Most of the newer Quest line can use one, yes, but the Quest BF does have the fire button in a non standard button location. I can't remember how LV did it, and the 100C does have solder points for an external button (like all their boards).

 

[Mordacai]

Yes, depending on the actual board itself.

I only own 8 LV DNA mods and the quality has only gone down since the DNA200 days and the brothers split. I would just say typical China, building to the cheapest cost.

Even down to the screens on their DNA mods. They're not from Evolv, and you can buy the cheapest they use on Aliexpress for ~$3. So then, when a user does a reset to defaults on a DNA, the colors are inverted because LV was too lazy to write it into their defaults. A sad day nonetheless.

Yet on the Quest chipset line they code for 3 TC modes and not just a TCR mode that has so much more use, reduces cost and increases usefulness.

As you're completely stuffed using SS430, Zirconium, NiFe30 or other metals for TC coils.

 

[ShamrockPat]

As you're completely stuffed using SS430, Zirconium, NiFe30 or other metals for TC coils.

Not completely stuffed at all. On the steam-engine - wire wizard page, up on the right hand side with the TCR graph/line, there's always been the 'equivalents'. That will allow you to use any TC wire with say the Ni200 (if that's all your mod has, like the DNA40) setting at an offset. So the temp set/limit would be displayed lower on your mod but accurate on the temp.

 

[Mordacai]

True @ShamrockPat, when it comes to chipsets that support TFR and TCR.

Quest chipsets though do not.

 

[ShamrockPat]

I do not agree Mordacai with your statement at all. You either didn't look at 'equivalents', or don't understand. If the quest supports Ni200 and you have SS430, and you want to set that temp limit at 450°F, on your quest mod in Ni200 you'd set it at 193°F

Here's the pic

 

[Mordacai]

With Zirconium that'll probably work okay @ShamrockPat, but I wouldn't be so sure with SS430.

As I presume you noticed the yellow colour for the result with SS430 being used with the Ni200 TFR equivalent, indicating not advisable due to inaccuracy...

 

[ShamrockPat]

With Zirconium that'll probably work okay @ShamrockPat, but I wouldn't be so sure with SS430.

WHAT? First I find it hard to believe I'm actually promoting/explaining how to get around the inadequacies of the Quest chip. But, every word or doubt you've had, I have disproven. This clearly shows a definite lack of understanding about TC and how TFR's or TCR's operate. That method is clearly 'sound' and has been used by me since 2015, with SS316 material.

As I presume you noticed the yellow colour for the result with SS430 being used with the Ni200 TFR equivalent, indicating not advisable due to inaccuracy...

WHAT? That is a yellow highlight. Where do you see ANYWHERE ON THE STEAM-ENGINE PAGE INDICATING 'not advisable due to inaccuracy'? Show me that pic

Just because YOU can't grasp the concepts does not make it 'not advisable'. Sheesh.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

Not completely stuffed at all. On the steam-engine - wire wizard page, up on the right hand side with the TCR graph/line, there's always been the 'equivalents'. That will allow you to use any TC wire with say the Ni200 (if that's all your mod has, like the DNA40) setting at an offset. So the temp set/limit would be displayed lower on your mod but accurate on the temp.

Thanks Pat!!! I did not know this.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

WHAT? That is a yellow highlight. Where do you see ANYWHERE ON THE STEAM-ENGINE PAGE INDICATING 'not advisable due to inaccuracy'? Show me that pic

Just because YOU can't grasp the concepts does not make it 'not advisable'. Sheesh.

Don't expect a reply from him. He won't show you any pic, because he can't backup his claim.

This is what he does in many ECF threads, tries to come off as being very knowledgeable, but when challenged and asked for proof, actual verifiable data, or links to backup his very weak claims - - - he falls short - - - disappears - - - and never replies.

Not long ago he made a very imbecilic claim that DNA mods weren't very good with TC ( ). I challenged him on that AND asked for proof.
His proof? An old thread here where some guy did some very questionable TC testing between DNA mods and many Chinese mods. That thread was as bogus as his claims.

I've challenged him in many threads - - - he no longer replies to me.

It's one thing if a person doesn't know something and is grateful to LEARN. It's another thing when their Ego prevents them from learning or admitting they were wrong.

 

[ShamrockPat]

I've seen all your interactions mentioned, and pretty much agree with them more often than not. I've had many PM's with that tester and his techniques, but sometimes people are set in their ways. I don't slag him off publicly or anyone else. I have full respect for Maelstrom and his dogged determination in cloning escribe and finding the mfgr tools to make a look alike for other mfgr's chipsets.

Three funny things. Did you realize the creator of steam-engine (Dampmaskin in Norweigan) Lars is an Evolv user. Not a prolific poster by any means, and was mainly active in the beginning. Did you realize he also has a blog on his site for reasons/teachings/etc. Did you realize what I wrote and how to use it is also on that page down in his 'Tips and Tricks' section. But many aren't as inquisitive and don't read/understand. SMH.

I don't even own a Quest mod. FFS.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

I've seen all your interactions mentioned, and pretty much agree with them more often than not. I've had many PM's with that tester and his techniques, but sometimes people are set in their ways. I don't slag him off publicly or anyone else. I have full respect for Maelstrom and his dogged determination in cloning escribe and finding the mfgr tools to make a look alike for other mfgr's chipsets.

Three funny things. Did you realize the creator of steam-engine (Dampmaskin in Norweigan) Lars is an Evolv user. Not a prolific poster by any means, and was mainly active in the beginning. Did you realize he also has a blog on his site for reasons/teachings/etc. Did you realize what I wrote and how to use it is also on that page down in his 'Tips and Tricks' section. But many aren't as inquisitive and don't read/understand. SMH.

I don't even own a Quest mod. FFS.

When I post information that I am uncertain about, I do try my best to research (and learn) before posting. Last thing I want to do is post bad info for anyone. When I post something that isn't correct, I expect someone to say something, and to show me what's correct. I mean, ya know, that's how we learn. We, hopefully, are able to say "I don't understand" or "I don't know" - - - help me please.

Maelstrom is good people. Very knowledgeable.

Steam-Engine, Lars blog there is excellent. That's the blog you are referring to right? He is another very intelligent person.

I did not know that you wrote the Tips and Tricks section on the Wire Wizard page. Very nice, and helpful.

LOL, I am nowhere near as knowledgeable with TC compared to those I consider to be at an expert level, or near expert, with TC. Both here and at the Evolv forum. Here we have yourself, BillW50, dwcraig1 and mikepetro (I know I am missing a couple/few more). And I know each has posted, and some still do, on the Evolv forum. I am a babe in the woods, in comparison.

I enjoy reading topics on the Evolv forum. There is a ton of valuable information there. Every time I read something, I learn new things that I did not know previously. I am able to find what I need via searches. 100% of the time another member (or 6) has already asked about something I'm looking for.

I am a forever student, always eager to learn new things.

 

[ShamrockPat]

I did not know that you wrote the Tips and Tricks section on the Wire Wizard page. Very nice, and helpful.

Must be my poor English. I wrote nothing on Lars' site.

Did you realize what I wrote and how to use it is also on that page down in his 'Tips and Tricks' section.

What I meant is that my words written there pretty closely matches what Lars wrote in Tips and Tricks. After that bogus

yellow colour for the result with SS430 being used with the Ni200 TFR equivalent, indicating not advisable due to inaccuracy...

I had to go back and check myself. Sure enough, NOTHING. He made it up, misinformation.

The search function over there can be quite powerful for if users use an AND between terms or quotation marks (when necessary). Unfortunately it defaults to OR. And yup, I'm still learning everyday.