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The how do you account for the fact that 15-25% of the deaths attributed to COVID in NY have been among nursing home residents?
Nursing homes linked to 15% of NY coronavirus deaths
They are obviously not being "excluded from the statistics in places like New York".
In some states such as PA, deaths associated with nursing homes are over 50% of the total.
Pennsylvania COVID-19 Numbers
Total deaths: 756 Nursing Homes: 398
No, the real elephant in the room is the under-counting of infections that produce minimal or no symptoms at all. If you wish to know the fatality rate of a virus, you must know how many people have been infected. If you only test people who are being admitted to a hospital (as has been the case in NYC), or only test people with severe symptoms (as has been the case in much of the rest of the country), then of course the fatality rate will appear to be much worse than it actually is.
Here are a a couple of papers for you to pursue, that aren't from the scare-mongering, "If it bleeds, it leads" media:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.05.20051540v1.full.pdf
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1.full.pdf
And then there's this:
CDC reviewing ‘stunning’ universal testing results from Boston homeless shelter
I did too but it was hard to focus I kept getting distracted from pictures of dancing shoes. I was more interested in the spread of mortality and where I fit just so I knew HOW little I needed to worry but I would like more than NY data, man. I'm sorry but it's kind of a special case.
I don't think anyone knows the mortality rate (or probably ever will) I am gonna go check the progress of clinical trials shortly far more interested in THAT but I'm an optimist, etc.
Anna
All tested were they? Because I'm sorry like nursing homes are WHERE you go to die.
Although I am not going to argue, many nursing homes are so revolting and disgusting I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. I kind of hate them (nursing homes.) Ugh.
Anna
That's just ad hominem. It doesn't specify anything wrong with their fundamental premise.
This page has totals for all the states.
United States Coronavirus: 715,105 Cases and 37,889 Deaths - Worldometer
About the dancing shoes: It might have been a targeted ad, based on a website you visited. So you should visit an office supply website instead, and see if you get less distracting products. I once got tired of seeing certain ads and visited a men's underwear site just to get something more entertaining.
Ad hominem or not I check funding sources and use ones I consider neutral. They are hard to find to be honest.
If you don't understand the connection between funding and like data, well, I don't know I don't want to start a pointless argument and for all I know you are correct. so hey
You know about ad hominem so I have to like you anyway. LOL.
Thank you for the information on the men's underwear, that should be helpful. LOL.
Anna
If you don't understand the connection between funding and like data, well, I don't know I don't want to start a pointless argument and for all I know you are correct. so hey
You know about ad hominem so I have to like you anyway. LOL.Thank you for the information on the men's underwear, that should be helpful. LOL.
Anna
Yep. Anyone wanna take a guess as to the average remaining life expectancy for people in a nursing home during normal times?
No I don't but if I'm lucid enough to be arguing with my family NOT to go, like, I will DEMAND in writing and well, at least notarized, a like, Kevorkian promise if it's the big A, before I go.
Aus has done some interesting research on Alzheimer's. Apparently if you make the environment BOOKS, magazines, electronics, everything the way they were in their time, folks do much better as they believe they are in their prime. He also told me like, there was a one nursing home that had a terrible problem with like the confused and Alzheimer's wandering away. They put a BUS STOP at the point of exit.
That last one I did not get to see the study and my dad is a bit of a BS artist, but I can kind of see how it would work. LOL.
Anna
My mother moved away after my promise to care for her in her dotage. I would do it zero complaints. I am the ONLY child who offered frankly everyone else was like "OMG NO WAY." But I now understand how to keep my mom calm. I just need to let her feel superior and ask for help or call and cry (I mean the crying but she LOVES comforting me. IDK why it's like a "thing" I guess. She feels like she can help me and she actually does, and we're not like COMPLAINING at each otehr)
Maybe if the husband dies first she will consent. LOL. Because really I don't believe in like, putting our parents in care homes if it can be avoided. I really wouldn't mind, even diaper changing I mean it has never been my favorite thing, but my mother has always fought for my wellness, sometimes harder than me. Sometimes it was misguided but that is also how it goes. I suppose it feels weird, the idea of having gratitude for caring for a parent, and it's not a "this society thing," but IMHO it is the ONLY thing if it can be done, I helped my stepfather die of cancer during a time no one else would (my mom was traveling and declined to return so....) I kind of get it he was not easy, and there was a ton of DV in the relationship that subsided but cancer makes you forget some stuff. But, no one else would and I loved him but I did not even LIKE him all that much. It's respect for elders and it matters. Me and my mom are getting along pretty well these days, my only thing would be, "No, I won't move."
But I think it will be a while for that lady she has Energizer Bunny down PAT. Heh.
Anna
Aus has done some interesting research on Alzheimer's. Apparently if you make the environment BOOKS, magazines, electronics, everything the way they were in their time, folks do much better as they believe they are in their prime. He also told me like, there was a one nursing home that had a terrible problem with like the confused and Alzheimer's wandering away. They put a BUS STOP at the point of exit.
That last one I did not get to see the study and my dad is a bit of a BS artist, but I can kind of see how it would work. LOL.
Anna
My mother moved away after my promise to care for her in her dotage. I would do it zero complaints. I am the ONLY child who offered frankly everyone else was like "OMG NO WAY." But I now understand how to keep my mom calm. I just need to let her feel superior and ask for help or call and cry (I mean the crying but she LOVES comforting me. IDK why it's like a "thing" I guess. She feels like she can help me and she actually does, and we're not like COMPLAINING at each otehr)
Maybe if the husband dies first she will consent. LOL. Because really I don't believe in like, putting our parents in care homes if it can be avoided. I really wouldn't mind, even diaper changing I mean it has never been my favorite thing, but my mother has always fought for my wellness, sometimes harder than me. Sometimes it was misguided but that is also how it goes. I suppose it feels weird, the idea of having gratitude for caring for a parent, and it's not a "this society thing," but IMHO it is the ONLY thing if it can be done, I helped my stepfather die of cancer during a time no one else would (my mom was traveling and declined to return so....) I kind of get it he was not easy, and there was a ton of DV in the relationship that subsided but cancer makes you forget some stuff. But, no one else would and I loved him but I did not even LIKE him all that much. It's respect for elders and it matters. Me and my mom are getting along pretty well these days, my only thing would be, "No, I won't move."
But I think it will be a while for that lady she has Energizer Bunny down PAT. Heh.
Anna
For one, it's because a nursing home and a residential care center are two slightly different things. Reason I know that there's an important difference between them is, I have several years of on-the-job experience in national healthcare administration myself so, think I know what I am talking about here.
The under-counting of infections is NOT the elephant in the room because it is completely normal the fact you can't test EVERYONE so OF COURSE the data in this regard is sparse. That's also the reason why it is not very wise to only test people with severe symptoms, as you need to produce at least SOME data about infections IN GENERAL and set a list of PRIORITIES across different areas if you're going to calculate your next strategy attempt at giving yourself a REASONABLE chance to be able to proceed and REASONABLY try to tackle this epidemic. Severe symptoms of Covid-19 are so easy to identify you can't actually miss them. No testing is required for that. So testing only people with severe symptoms does fairly quickly become a pretty useless type of strategy. Virology 101. Case in point: Belgium includes almost all deaths that COULD be attributed to Covid-19 becasue of THAT fact plus this other fact, that understating the mortality rate is a worse mistake than overstating it─the latter fact also being virology 101, for that matter. But then, you wouldn't know this because... well, you're not a virologist, are you? You REALLY don't know when you've lost an argument, do you?
Just let some greedy politician throw her under the epidemial bus. I know it won't be pretty, but I can promise she'll be calm.
No, I'm not. I just spend a lot of my time searching for knowledge about a huge variety of subjects, it's what I've been doing all my life.
FDA Finally Concedes There’s No Evidence Linking Vaping To COVID-19 Infections
"There is currently no evidence from anywhere in the world showing vapers to be at higher risk for COVID-19.
"The Science Media Research Center recently released statements from public health experts to help reporters understand what we do know about smoking, vaping, and COVID-19. “There is no evidence that vaping increases the risk of infection or progression to severe conditions of COVID-19,” said Dr. Caitlin Notley. She added that since switching from smoking to vaping improves cardiovascular and respiratory conditions, smokers who switch “might be expected to have a better prognosis if infected by COVID-19.”
"E-cigarettes have been proven beyond any reasonable doubt to be far safer than combustible cigarettes and consistently shown to help smokers quit. Italy, Spain, France, and Switzerland are keeping their vape shops open because they recognize the public health benefit of ensuring access to safer alternatives to cigarettes."
No, vapers are not at greater risk of catching Covid-19
"Anti-vaping activists have seized upon the Covid-19 pandemic and the surrounding state of fear and uncertainty to further their cause.
"Konstantin Farsalinos, e-cigarette expert and cardiologist at the Onassis Cardiology Center in Athens, notes that ‘we have zero evidence on how e-cigarette use affects coronavirus infectivity and disease progression’. Conversely, ‘There is a lot of evidence that propylene glycol (one of the main ingredients in e-cigarette liquids) has anti-bacterial and anti-viral properties in aerosol form’.
"A pandemic should be a time for all of us to come together and find constructive solutions to our problems, not to undermine public health by misinforming smokers and vapers."
Obsession With Fake Epidemic Distracted From Pandemic Preparedness
"Two years ago, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) launched a total war on the use of electronic cigarettes, declaring a fabricated epidemic in teenage vaping. E-cigarette manufacturers were raided, new federal regulations were implemented, and a misinformation campaign was waged on the public from the health agencies that claim to serve them, scaring millions of Americans from making a life-saving switch while the nation sat vulnerable to a pandemic.
The declaration was just the latest of a decade-long effort from the FDA and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) to curb electronic cigarette products in the name of sticking it to “Big Tobacco.” They really impeded progress on combatting the number one cause of preventable death in the United States. According to the CDC, smoking kills 480,000 people every year in the United States.
"Disregarding the benefits of electronic cigarettes, the United States’ preeminent public health agencies poured enormous resources into combatting these life-saving devices while turning a blind eye to pandemic threats.
"In contrast, by now it’s painfully obvious that the CDC and FDA were caught off-guard by the genuine epidemic stemming from the novel coronavirus. Testing capacity was woefully inadequate, the federal agencies blocked states and universities from conducting tests of their own, tests initially supplied by the CDC didn’t work, and the American people were misguided on preventative measures to slow the spread.
Meanwhile, funding for pandemic initiatives within the CDC to fend off infectious diseases, the entire purpose of the federal health agency, lacked nearly as many resources as its campaign against vaping and other chronic diseases brought about primarily by lifestyle choices.
Contrary to the federal government’s claims, an epidemic in adolescent vaping doesn’t exist.
"Michelle Minton, a senior fellow at the conservative-leaning Competitive Enterprise Institute who specializes in consumer policy and regulatory issues, told The Federalist the CDC and FDA failures in the wake of the novel coronavirus are a direct result of having shifted their attention away from deadly infectious diseases to concentrate on “diseases by and large caused by the person.”
"Dr. Michael Siegel of Boston University, one of the nation’s top experts on youth and tobacco use, contends that the CDC “lost sight of their core function.” The danger of perpetuating a moral panic over vaping, beyond keeping millions of Americans hooked on cigarettes, Siegel told The Federalist, is the risk that Americans lose confidence in their public health officials when they need it the most, as in today’s crisis. Society, Siegel said, “needs the public to be trusting what the CDC says and the precautions that need to be taken.” If the CDC continues to hype risks associated with vaping however, the institution’s credibility will continue to be jeopardized as it also struggles with its own missteps over the Wuhan virus."
"There is currently no evidence from anywhere in the world showing vapers to be at higher risk for COVID-19.
"The Science Media Research Center recently released statements from public health experts to help reporters understand what we do know about smoking, vaping, and COVID-19. “There is no evidence that vaping increases the risk of infection or progression to severe conditions of COVID-19,” said Dr. Caitlin Notley. She added that since switching from smoking to vaping improves cardiovascular and respiratory conditions, smokers who switch “might be expected to have a better prognosis if infected by COVID-19.”
"E-cigarettes have been proven beyond any reasonable doubt to be far safer than combustible cigarettes and consistently shown to help smokers quit. Italy, Spain, France, and Switzerland are keeping their vape shops open because they recognize the public health benefit of ensuring access to safer alternatives to cigarettes."
No, vapers are not at greater risk of catching Covid-19
"Anti-vaping activists have seized upon the Covid-19 pandemic and the surrounding state of fear and uncertainty to further their cause.
"Konstantin Farsalinos, e-cigarette expert and cardiologist at the Onassis Cardiology Center in Athens, notes that ‘we have zero evidence on how e-cigarette use affects coronavirus infectivity and disease progression’. Conversely, ‘There is a lot of evidence that propylene glycol (one of the main ingredients in e-cigarette liquids) has anti-bacterial and anti-viral properties in aerosol form’.
"A pandemic should be a time for all of us to come together and find constructive solutions to our problems, not to undermine public health by misinforming smokers and vapers."
Obsession With Fake Epidemic Distracted From Pandemic Preparedness
"Two years ago, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) launched a total war on the use of electronic cigarettes, declaring a fabricated epidemic in teenage vaping. E-cigarette manufacturers were raided, new federal regulations were implemented, and a misinformation campaign was waged on the public from the health agencies that claim to serve them, scaring millions of Americans from making a life-saving switch while the nation sat vulnerable to a pandemic.
The declaration was just the latest of a decade-long effort from the FDA and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) to curb electronic cigarette products in the name of sticking it to “Big Tobacco.” They really impeded progress on combatting the number one cause of preventable death in the United States. According to the CDC, smoking kills 480,000 people every year in the United States.
"Disregarding the benefits of electronic cigarettes, the United States’ preeminent public health agencies poured enormous resources into combatting these life-saving devices while turning a blind eye to pandemic threats.
"In contrast, by now it’s painfully obvious that the CDC and FDA were caught off-guard by the genuine epidemic stemming from the novel coronavirus. Testing capacity was woefully inadequate, the federal agencies blocked states and universities from conducting tests of their own, tests initially supplied by the CDC didn’t work, and the American people were misguided on preventative measures to slow the spread.
Meanwhile, funding for pandemic initiatives within the CDC to fend off infectious diseases, the entire purpose of the federal health agency, lacked nearly as many resources as its campaign against vaping and other chronic diseases brought about primarily by lifestyle choices.
Contrary to the federal government’s claims, an epidemic in adolescent vaping doesn’t exist.
"Michelle Minton, a senior fellow at the conservative-leaning Competitive Enterprise Institute who specializes in consumer policy and regulatory issues, told The Federalist the CDC and FDA failures in the wake of the novel coronavirus are a direct result of having shifted their attention away from deadly infectious diseases to concentrate on “diseases by and large caused by the person.”
"Dr. Michael Siegel of Boston University, one of the nation’s top experts on youth and tobacco use, contends that the CDC “lost sight of their core function.” The danger of perpetuating a moral panic over vaping, beyond keeping millions of Americans hooked on cigarettes, Siegel told The Federalist, is the risk that Americans lose confidence in their public health officials when they need it the most, as in today’s crisis. Society, Siegel said, “needs the public to be trusting what the CDC says and the precautions that need to be taken.” If the CDC continues to hype risks associated with vaping however, the institution’s credibility will continue to be jeopardized as it also struggles with its own missteps over the Wuhan virus."
Id love to see you target the surgeon generals warning labels on every pack of cigarettes! LOL. Have Fun. Just curious if your carrying DNT health waiver.
I did not worry about smoking ONE bit, until my 3 ppd started to kill me. I didn't even worry when my docs finally put it together that I had been hoarse and barely talking for 3 months and my main doc was like "I am sending you to get checkout out for laryngeal cancer." He looked SO SCARED I started comforting HIM, I mean I was like "Don't worry dude if I did I EARNED it, it's not YOUR fault." I got scoped the same day IDK what he said to the ENT but like, their office called and were like, "Where are you." I was like ,"You mean my home address?" and they were like, "NO, what are your cross streets, okay DRIVE right here."
So like I didn't. I did have that and the 18 month pneumonia that was super annoying especially when they started talking oxygen tanks I was no fan of the idea.
So yeah, then I switched to vaping. I have had precisely one pneumonia since and my new doc said my insurance wouldn't pay for the vaccine even though I was a "former heavy smoker" because of my age.
I have also had what I considered to be Covid probably which caused me to use an asthma inhale for about 3 weeks due to coughing when I vaped and I was like "Did my childhood asthma come back" but then it went away. So I'm quite sure I am part of the disease vector thing.
Interestingly enough, the only health problem I EVER worried about while smoking was the damn COPD. I could have handled lung cancer I think. Laryngeal would suck but it's not fatal. A heart attack? Eh, over quickly.
So the only side effect I GOT was the one that scared me, an incipient COPD diagnosis which was the only on which TERRIFIED me. Cause and effect? IDK.
Anna
So like I didn't. I did have that and the 18 month pneumonia that was super annoying especially when they started talking oxygen tanks I was no fan of the idea.
So yeah, then I switched to vaping. I have had precisely one pneumonia since and my new doc said my insurance wouldn't pay for the vaccine even though I was a "former heavy smoker" because of my age.
I have also had what I considered to be Covid probably which caused me to use an asthma inhale for about 3 weeks due to coughing when I vaped and I was like "Did my childhood asthma come back" but then it went away. So I'm quite sure I am part of the disease vector thing.
Interestingly enough, the only health problem I EVER worried about while smoking was the damn COPD. I could have handled lung cancer I think. Laryngeal would suck but it's not fatal. A heart attack? Eh, over quickly.
So the only side effect I GOT was the one that scared me, an incipient COPD diagnosis which was the only on which TERRIFIED me. Cause and effect? IDK.
Anna
2 Californians died of coronavirus weeks before previously known 1st US death - CNN
(CNN) New autopsy results show two Californians died of novel coronavirus in early and mid-February -- up to three weeks before the previously known first US death from the virus.
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"That also means that a lot more people have had this, probably asymptomatically or with mild illness, than we thought before," Kraft said Wednesday.
(CNN) New autopsy results show two Californians died of novel coronavirus in early and mid-February -- up to three weeks before the previously known first US death from the virus.
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"That also means that a lot more people have had this, probably asymptomatically or with mild illness, than we thought before," Kraft said Wednesday.
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