Asked to put my PV away

[Adrenalynn]

So you'd cater to the 0.00000001% at the risk of the > 99% in the interest of preserving business? That is definitely one tactic. There are stranger business rules out there at present that I'm incapable of grasping (like the "lose money on every sale make it up in volume" crowd) - this is probably another one of those that I'm just not able to wrap my head around.

I'd think that the person that wouldn't say "sure!" and put their PV away would be the same person that would complain at any other slight - but there too I'm sure I just miss the mark.

 

[Kevor]

So you'd cater to the 0.00000001% at the risk of the > 99% in the interest of preserving business? That is definitely one tactic. There are stranger business rules out there at present that I'm incapable of grasping (like the "lose money on every sale make it up in volume" crowd) - this is probably another one of those that I'm just not able to wrap my head around.

I'd think that the person that wouldn't say "sure!" and put their PV away would be the same person that would complain at any other slight - but there too I'm sure I just miss the mark.

Then there is the thing that if the other smokers see you vaping, then they might stop smoking and switch to vaping as well?

Since there still are a hack of a lot of smokers, and vaping is catching on really quickly as well.. Hence why the government is panicking from all the money they are loosing..

Plus, I'm kind of tired of just being oppressed by every little thing i do that doesn't hurt anyone else..

Sure smoking does hurt others, but vaping does not..

 

[DaShiVa]

Next time you're at your doctors for a checkup or whatever, I'm sure you'll tell them about your ecig. Assuming they react like most seem to, they may be willing to write you a note that, without actually advocating the device, is basically an acknowledgment that you are trying to cut down/quit smoking and using an alternative. Assuming your doc is willing to sign something worded along those lines, they you can use such a note to present to anyone who takes issue with it. Sure, it won't be worded in such a way that they'd have to allow it, but if they can say 'well, he had a doctor's note/script/whatever' they'd probably be much happier to allow it.
Not sure how practical it'd be in application, but if you can think of a properly worded note, I'm sure a few could get doctors to sign off on it...

 

[Belletrist]

Dashiva that's pretty brilliant. People are (sadly, imo, lol) easily impressed by Official Paperwork.

 

[shadowcptn]

Ah yes, good music and vaping, great combo. Personally, I "stealth vape" just about everywhere, except in my college classroom. I wonder what would have been done at a "rave" concert? <wink>

 

[jaded]

Next time you're at your doctors for a checkup or whatever, I'm sure you'll tell them about your ecig. Assuming they react like most seem to, they may be willing to write you a note that, without actually advocating the device, is basically an acknowledgment that you are trying to cut down/quit smoking and using an alternative. Assuming your doc is willing to sign something worded along those lines, they you can use such a note to present to anyone who takes issue with it. Sure, it won't be worded in such a way that they'd have to allow it, but if they can say 'well, he had a doctor's note/script/whatever' they'd probably be much happier to allow it.
Not sure how practical it'd be in application, but if you can think of a properly worded note, I'm sure a few could get doctors to sign off on it...

I still want to get Nicotrol stickers made for my batteries to be along these lines.

Edit 300th post woohoo

 

[curiousJan]

So you'd cater to the 0.00000001% at the risk of the > 99% in the interest of preserving business? That is definitely one tactic. There are stranger business rules out there at present that I'm incapable of grasping (like the "lose money on every sale make it up in volume" crowd) - this is probably another one of those that I'm just not able to wrap my head around.

I'd think that the person that wouldn't say "sure!" and put their PV away would be the same person that would complain at any other slight - but there too I'm sure I just miss the mark.

Ya know, I've never understood the sell at a loss, make it up in volume stuff either ...

But, I'm one of those people that wouldn't be too happy about being told to put my pv away (as I've become quite good at stealth vaping). Would I complain about "any other slight"? Maybe, maybe not ... depends what it is.

I don't think that 0.00000001% is necessarily an accurate number, but since I'm not going to crunch the numbers to come up with my own, I'll go with it. That number may reflect the effect of a single customer on a business, but what happens when I tell all of the vaping-converts that I personally have started on their own vaping journey? That number goes up quickly. And while I may not complain too loudly in the moment, you can be quite sure that I won't spend one more cent of my hard earned money in that particular business (and most of my friends feel the same.)

Jan

 

[bwood12043]

The only reason why people can't smoke in buildings in such states (which is probably every state now anyway) is because of the law.. If that law did not exsist, i doubt many bars, restraunts, etc would ban smoking inside.. They'd just do what they've done in the past and have a smoking and non-smoking section..

Following a great deal of reseach in our area when the smoking ban was being considered, I found that city council was not seriously considering the ban until the bar/restaurant/etc owners came out in favor of it. And in all honesty, according to the ones I spoke with, they supported the ban in general due to the maintenance issues smoking cause in their establishments. I have spoken to many of the same ones since the ban began, and they say their maintenence costs are much lower now. They admitted in confidence that it was not nearly as much due to health issues, or even complaints from non-smoking customers, but a bottom line issue, at least here, for them it was.

I have slowly and calming introduced many of them to vaping and as of yet, have not had a single one refuse to let me use my device in their establishments. But more than likely, the courtesy of asking first is the big difference, along with not arguing if they should be hesitant. After all, it is their place of business, their property, and they can actually refuse to server for whatever reason they choose.

Most of them are quite cooperative though, and NONE have refused to let me vape, I only hold back when they act a bit doubtful, then I ask if they would like to go outside and see/smell what I am using, to see if they might adopt an official welcome policy. One restaurant here actually has set aside a "vaping" area, where we are more than welcome to vape openly and all we want.

The acceptance is growing, but education is the key.

 

[lairkeeper]

Following a great deal of reseach in our area when the smoking ban was being considered, I found that city council was not seriously considering the ban until the bar/restaurant/etc owners came out in favor of it. And in all honesty, according to the ones I spoke with, they supported the ban in general due to the maintenance issues smoking cause in their establishments. I have spoken to many of the same ones since the ban began, and they say their maintenence costs are much lower now. They admitted in confidence that it was not nearly as much due to health issues, or even complaints from non-smoking customers, but a bottom line issue, at least here, for them it was.

I have slowly and calming introduced many of them to vaping and as of yet, have not had a single one refuse to let me use my device in their establishments. But more than likely, the courtesy of asking first is the big difference, along with not arguing if they should be hesitant. After all, it is their place of business, their property, and they can actually refuse to server for whatever reason they choose.

Most of them are quite cooperative though, and NONE have refused to let me vape, I only hold back when they act a bit doubtful, then I ask if they would like to go outside and see/smell what I am using, to see if they might adopt an official welcome policy. One restaurant here actually has set aside a "vaping" area, where we are more than welcome to vape openly and all we want.

The acceptance is growing, but education is the key.

Emphasis mine.

This is the way I see it. Regardless of bans, business owners have the right to refuse to allow any type of activity they deem undesirable. The company I work for allows me to vape at my desk when there are no customers present. This could change at any time and I'll simply go with the flow. I have no "right" to vape inside their building against their wishes. I feel the same way about bars/movie theaters/restaurants. Would *I* frequent an establishment less if they will not allow it? Probably. But I can't expect them to cater to me (1 customer) when they stand to loose many customers if they allow it.

Or, perhaps I should get a sandwich board type sign to wear in public that says "I'm not smoking, I'm vaping" then I can vape whenever and where ever I want and no one can stop me Cause ya know, then they'll Know.... Now who wants to make and sell me the signs????? I see a market for it

 

[Above God]

you should of put him a choke hold and blew vape in his face....

 

[DaShiVa]

Emphasis mine.

This is the way I see it. Regardless of bans, business owners have the right to refuse to allow any type of activity they deem undesirable. The company I work for allows me to vape at my desk when there are no customers present. This could change at any time and I'll simply go with the flow. I have no "right" to vape inside their building against their wishes. I feel the same way about bars/movie theaters/restaurants. Would *I* frequent an establishment less if they will not allow it? Probably. But I can't expect them to cater to me (1 customer) when they stand to loose many customers if they allow it.

Or, perhaps I should get a sandwich board type sign to wear in public that says "I'm not smoking, I'm vaping" then I can vape whenever and where ever I want and no one can stop me Cause ya know, then they'll Know.... Now who wants to make and sell me the signs????? I see a market for it

As I've said before, for a T shirt, your sign should rather say "Ask me about my e-cigarette" That turns it from a 'please don't be upset' into a 'learn more about this innovation here!'

 

[lairkeeper]

As I've said before, for a T shirt, your sign should rather say "Ask me about my e-cigarette" That turns it from a 'please don't be upset' into a 'learn more about this innovation here!'

Cept that will only work if a smoker is reading the shirt. If its a Smoking-Nazi then the word Cigarette kills the deal...Cigarette is not a bad word to us...but to "them"...Yeah.

Even something like I said wouldn't do it....cause most won't know what "vaping" is and will decide that its just me being cute (cause I'm so dang good at being cute ).

 

[DaShiVa]

Cept that will only work if a smoker is reading the shirt. If its a Smoking-Nazi then the word Cigarette kills the deal...Cigarette is not a bad word to us...but to "them"...Yeah.

Even something like I said wouldn't do it....cause most won't know what "vaping" is and will decide that its just me being cute (cause I'm so dang good at being cute ).

It all depends on how it's typeset. 'electronic' big, 'cigarette' small, the alternate is "Ask me about my Vapour" or similar. no need to take it verbatim, just get the essence of it and put it to work for you.