Aspire cleito and exo

[Glenn j]

Hey vapers
What us the difference between the cleito and the cleito exo. Which is supposed to be better.

 

[djsvapour]

Hey vapers
What us the difference between the cleito and the cleito exo. Which is supposed to be better.

The EXO is not an out and out high airflow cloud tank.
If you want to vape a non-airflow-adjustable medium power tank, then maybe it's a good choice.
Personally, a tank which sits between the two ways I like to vape is a non-starter, so I'd get the original.

 

[Glenn j]

I just asked as I bought the exo today and I usually vape high vg ,big clouds etc and your correct that it's not really a DTL tank but I just soaked it up and it's nice for a change (people I live with hate massive clouds!)

 

[djsvapour]

I just asked as I bought the exo today and I usually vape high vg ,big clouds etc and your correct that it's not really a DTL tank but I just soaked it up and it's nice for a change (people I live with hate massive clouds!)

I can believe it's a nice vape. There are plenty of shades of vaping these days.... I tend to vape MTL at as high power as I can manage (12-18w) before adjusting my inhale and then DTL at whatever suits my atomizer. For example, I'm vaping an Eleaf tank at over 50w and it's not as much vapor as a dual coil RDA at around 40w. Just go with what makes you happy.

 

[Glenn j]

I can believe it's a nice vape. There are plenty of shades of vaping these days.... I tend to vape MTL at as high power as I can manage (12-18w) before adjusting my inhale and then DTL at whatever suits my atomizer. For example, I'm vaping an Eleaf tank at over 50w and it's not as much vapor as a dual coil RDA at around 40w. Just go with what makes you happy.

Me too. djsvapour I use aurora at 18mg nic first thing in the morning snd then I'm at 3 or 6 on other mods. Very nice coils on this I gave to say and nice flavour too. I would recommend it on the basis of what you said I.e MTL. Anyway since I believe you know your stuff I'm looking to buy a RTA any recommendations dude

 

[Glenn j]

Me too. djsvapour I use aurora at 18mg nic first thing in the morning snd then I'm at 3 or 6 on other mods. Very nice coils on this I gave to say and nice flavour too. I would recommend it on the basis of what you said I.e MTL. Anyway since I believe you know your stuff I'm looking to buy a RTA any recommendations dude

Excuse my typos

 

[djsvapour]

...I'm looking to buy a RTA any recommendations dude

My last few purchases have not made me happy (I know... disappointing)....
At the moment the 24mm Apocalypse version 2 (clone) is easily my favorite.
Quite like it with fat clapton coils.

 

[Glenn j]

Is a clone a remake of something? Also why didn't people call them Marvin coils after Hank Marvin of the shadows lol. But the first question is real

 

[djsvapour]

Is a clone a remake of something?

The world of e-cigarettes/vaping hardware is kind of complicated. In general a clone is exactly what we would imagine, a near-identical copy of something. But clones come in bad (sometimes very bad) and good. Also, some greedy self-promoting e-cig brands get Chinese factories to directly copy or simply re-badge something already on the production line. I guess you have to go to mainland China to get a feel for it.
A product listed/described as a 1:1 clone is carefully made as close to the real thing.
Clones can be bad business for the original inventor, but as we know your average person only prepared to pay $10-$20 for an atomizer were never going to buy the real thing at $100.
Sometimes, you buy a clone and then get the real thing later down the line - if it's exceptionally good.
The detestable brands (I can't name them) order thousands of items (batteries, tanks, mods) and deliberately mislead people into thinking they are buying genuine items, but these items already exist straight off the line at the Kanger/Innokin/Aspire/Eigate factories.
I know less about clones of quality niche atomizers.

 

[Glenn j]

The world of e-cigarettes/vaping hardware is kind of complicated. In general a clone is exactly what we would imagine, a near-identical copy of something. But clones come in bad (sometimes very bad) and good. Also, some greedy self-promoting e-cig brands get Chinese factories to directly copy or simply re-badge something already on the production line. I guess you have to go to mainland China to get a feel for it.
A product listed/described as a 1:1 clone is carefully made as close to the real thing.
Clones can be bad business for the original inventor, but as we know your average person only prepared to pay $10-$20 for an atomizer were never going to buy the real thing at $100.
Sometimes, you buy a clone and then get the real thing later down the line - if it's exceptionally good.
The detestable brands (I can't name them) order thousands of items (batteries, tanks, mods) and deliberately mislead people into thinking they are buying genuine items, but these items already exist straight off the line at the Kanger/Innokin/Aspire/Eigate factories.
I know less about clones of quality niche atomizers.

Very interesting. If an item b from these companies say authentic mean they could be clones at 1:1 as you say or are we still being duped even with the scratch and reveal codes one sees on mods etc these days?

 

[djsvapour]

Very interesting. If an item b from these companies say authentic mean they could be clones at 1:1 as you say or are we still being duped even with the scratch and reveal codes one sees on mods etc these days?

Scratch codes are an interesting one. Cloners sometimes use a generic scratch code sticker, so it looks genuine until you enter the code and you become one of many people to enter the same code.
Authentic from Fasttech means 'from the real factory/production line' - I don't rush to test the scratch codes as they always check out.

A 1:1 clone declares itself as such. A perfect copy with a fake scratch code won't pass the scratch test I would guess unless the fakers have acquired stickers and a way to mess with the computer system. Possible, with a rogue employee (?) but very tough. The monitoring of workers in all business is strict.

The nasty business is people selling fakes. I've bought very few. Only clearomizers in the early days.
The next nasty business is US companies pretending to sell a unique product (supposedly designed somehow in the US) that is actually a staightforward Kanger/Innokin/Aspire product already in existence. This leads to a situation like this;

e.g. Kanger made/make a Subtank. It costs less than $10 to buy for a vendor (if you buy hundreds at a time) and you sell it for $24.99. Legitimate and normal business.
I can also order that Subtank from $17 from China if I want, easy. I might also be able to buy one in a different box that is also from the same factory, or a next door factory for $12.
Now, a greedy US brands gets some minor cosmetic changes made to the tank, calls it something new and unknown and sells it for $59.99. But, the best bit of all, is since they are hiding the fact that it is a Kanger subtank, they don't need the premium version and can sell the one they buy for less than $8 for $59.99.
.. and they get away with this by encouraging fake review sites and paying commission to people to sell out newbies.

There are entire websites devoted to recommending 'brand' items which may or may not be originals, clones, fakes, copies... who knows. But the point is... the brands that charge $100 for a $30 item do so because they hide everything about the products other than to say how great they are and their products are better than the rest.
In many walks of business if it isn't illegal (which it can be in limited circumstances) those companies would soon go out of business operating this way.

 

[Glenn j]

Scratch codes are an interesting one. Cloners sometimes use a generic scratch code sticker, so it looks genuine until you enter the code and you become one of many people to enter the same code.
Authentic from Fasttech means 'from the real factory/production line' - I don't rush to test the scratch codes as they always check out.

A 1:1 clone declares itself as such. A perfect copy with a fake scratch code won't pass the scratch test I would guess unless the fakers have acquired stickers and a way to mess with the computer system. Possible, with a rogue employee (?) but very tough. The monitoring of workers in all business is strict.

The nasty business is people selling fakes. I've bought very few. Only clearomizers in the early days.
The next nasty business is US companies pretending to sell a unique product (supposedly designed somehow in the US) that is actually a staightforward Kanger/Innokin/Aspire product already in existence. This leads to a situation like this;

e.g. Kanger made/make a Subtank. It costs less than $10 to buy for a vendor (if you buy hundreds at a time) and you sell it for $24.99. Legitimate and normal business.
I can also order that Subtank from $17 from China if I want, easy. I might also be able to buy one in a different box that is also from the same factory, or a next door factory for $12.
Now, a greedy US brands gets some minor cosmetic changes made to the tank, calls it something new and unknown and sells it for $59.99. But, the best bit of all, is since they are hiding the fact that it is a Kanger subtank, they don't need the premium version and can sell the one they buy for less than $8 for $59.99.
.. and they get away with this by encouraging fake review sites and paying commission to people to sell out newbies.

There are entire websites devoted to recommending 'brand' items which may or may not be originals, clones, fakes, copies... who knows. But the point is... the brands that charge $100 for a $30 item do so because they hide everything about the products other than to say how great they are and their products are better than the rest.
In many walks of business if it isn't illegal (which it can be in limited circumstances) those companies would soon go out of business operating this way.

Wow. A lot of greed out there.nothing new there then

 

[Skold]

So your liking the exo then?? I believe the 0.16 coils have really good flavour I still use the original cleito!
For rtas I use Kayfun (early ones.) But I mostly MTL, use my cleito odd time if I wanna sub ohm but it's high nicotine an high resistance that kills my cravings .

 

[Glenn j]

A lot to do with greed then. Nothing new there so

 

[Eskie]

The nasty business is people selling fakes. I've bought very few. Only clearomizers in the early days.
The next nasty business is US companies pretending to sell a unique product (supposedly designed somehow in the US) that is actually a staightforward Kanger/Innokin/Aspire product already in existence. This leads to a situation like this;

e.g. Kanger made/make a Subtank. It costs less than $10 to buy for a vendor (if you buy hundreds at a time) and you sell it for $24.99. Legitimate and normal business.
I can also order that Subtank from $17 from China if I want, easy. I might also be able to buy one in a different box that is also from the same factory, or a next door factory for $12.
Now, a greedy US brands gets some minor cosmetic changes made to the tank, calls it something new and unknown and sells it for $59.99. But, the best bit of all, is since they are hiding the fact that it is a Kanger subtank, they don't need the premium version and can sell the one they buy for less than $8 for $59.99.
.. and they get away with this by encouraging fake review sites and paying commission to people to sell out newbies.

There are entire websites devoted to recommending 'brand' items which may or may not be originals, clones, fakes, copies... who knows. But the point is... the brands that charge $100 for a $30 item do so because they hide everything about the products other than to say how great they are and their products are better than the rest.
In many walks of business if it isn't illegal (which it can be in limited circumstances) those companies would soon go out of business operating this way.

That's not a fake. That's a rebranded product. If someone wants to pay more for a fancy name or pretty box, that's up to them. If they fail to educate themselves on what it is they're buying, that's a fault by the consumer. However, if a rebranded product which is otherwise identical to the original manufacturer's product and is marketed as superior, that is false and misleading. As you noted, I would also include fake online "reviews" as misleading as well.

 

[Skold]

That's not a fake. That's a rebranded product. If someone wants to pay more for a fancy name or pretty box, that's up to them. If they fail to educate themselves on what it is they're buying, that's a fault by the consumer. However, if a rebranded product which is otherwise identical to the original manufacturer's product and is marketed as superior, that is false and misleading. As you noted, I would also include fake online "reviews" as misleading as well.

Authentic or money back for me I'm probably being nit picky though, I spent over $300.00 on some kabukis. And a further $300.00 on some authentic kayfuns. I'm really fussy with vape gear.
Add my collection of provaris and that's over $1000.00.
It's more than my entire collection of regulated meds hahaha.

 

[stols001]

I don't think I'd mind a clone if it were advertised as such and less expensive. The idea of rebranding a KT mod and selling it for *way more* just annoys me. I don't think I'm ready for clones yet, however, I barely have my head above water concerning what's out there *now*.

Anna

 

[Skold]

I don't think I'd mind a clone if it were advertised as such and less expensive. The idea of rebranding a KT mod and selling it for *way more* just annoys me. I don't think I'm ready for clones yet, however, I barely have my head above water concerning what's out there *now*.

Anna

You can get alot of genuine products for cheap, there's no need for clones...
But that's just me...

 

[Aus11]

Theres a new cleito? Oh man, this forum makes me want something new everyday...... I miss my old one.

 

[Skold]

Theres a new cleito? Oh man, this forum makes me want something new everyday...... I miss my old one.

It's a tpd compliant version but the coils from the original cleito make it 3.5ml.
I don't like it as much cos there's no adjustable airflow