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Aspire Nautilus Mini BVC w/Larger Wicking Holes, Stock

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MackCloud

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Since i'm still quite new to vaping and i don't know much about Aspire, so i'm just curious do they make changes quite frequently?

I'm still rather new myself, and I won't claim to be an expert, but this is the information I've gathered from my research (I've only been reading up on the Nautilus specifically, though, because those are the only tanks I'm currently using).

The last time Aspire did a major re-design of the coils, they still kept selling the older version (and they're actually still selling both right now- they're called "BDC" coils, and the newer ones are the "BVC" coils).

The thing is, that change in design came about just from Aspire's own desire to come out with a new, improved product, so there was no reason for them to stop selling the older version. Obviously not everyone decided to switch to the BVC coils, because Aspire is still selling the old design, too, and they wouldn't be doing that if they weren't selling any. :)

So in that example, yes they made changes in the new coils, but the old coils are still manufactured and no one had to switch if they didn't want to. Win/win!

I don't want to accidentally start a debate on this thread about why the BVC coils were recently changed to having organic cotton, because that's not what this thread is for. So I'll try to just give you the facts, not my personal opinion.

A person made a video showing the original ceramic BVC coils (not the new organic cotton ones) being taken apart to show what they were made of. The ceramic filling was removed, and, when dry, the ceramic filling crumbled when rubbed between fingers. Based on that, an assumption was made that this was proof that everyone who was using those coils was actually inhaling tiny pieces of that ceramic material. On the other side, people said that was impossible because it can't crumble like that when the ceramic is wet, and it's obviously wet when it's being used properly. My opinion aside, those are the 2 sides to that argument.

Aspire made many statements saying their coils were safe to use and that those comments about ceramic being able to become dislodged and inhaled were completely false.

Anyway, a bunch of people started telling Aspire that they should just ditch the ceramic completely and switch over to organic cotton. That way it would give the complaining crowd no more ammunition to make claims of the coils being dangerous (regardless of whether they were right), and, theoretically, it could improve their product because organic cotton is said to be a great material to vape on (the best flavor, etc.) Aspire listened to the community, and recently decided to change their coils to this new organic cotton version.

Because this change was made for many different reasons (I assume the most important reason was to stop the bad press), this time they chose to stop making the ceramic coils, rather than keep selling them like they did with their last re-design.

Was this the right move? With a few of the complaints I've read on here about the new coils, I certainly don't think so, but that's my personal opinion obviously. :) Did it stop any rumors about their ceramic material? Yep, because it's no longer being manufactured. Do the new coils sound like a huge improvement? On paper, and in their press release, yes (they explained the new coils have a much better taste than the old ones, etc.) But obviously there are complaints coming in from some customers about the new coils being inferior, while others do think they're improved.

This is still so recent, that I'm pretty confident their team is currently working on a way to fix these issues, whether it be re-designing the coils again, or simply selling the old coils along with the new ones. Aspire has been great about taking and using suggestions that are sent to them. (Just the other day they came out with a kit that contains a new type of carrying case. That design came from a post on their forums from a customer who had created one for himself, and they gave him credit and thanked him for coming up with a great design, which I thought was pretty cool.) :)

So.... Yes, they do make changes. But it's normally not a change that people are forced to make. This was a strange situation. They listened to both the happy customers and the accusations from the community, but when the accusations were about whether a product is safe to use, and when Aspire's statements saying the product was indeed safe weren't enough to stop people from claiming otherwise, they decided to do things differently this time. I can't say I blame them one bit, but I do hope they offer the ceramic coils again soon. And some people do love the newer version, so hopefully they'll keep selling those, too. :)

[Side note-
Here's a link to one of the announcements by Aspire about their old ceramic coils, in case you wanted to do some research on your own. http://forum.aspirecig.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1695 I believe it might reference a specific tank, but the Nautilus coils previously had the same ceramic material. That was from before they made the change, but I wanted to include it so no one reads what I wrote and instantly assumes that the old coils were dangerous. That was Aspire's reply to the accusations being made at the time. I did my own research on the subject and formed my own belief based on all the research I did, and I recommend anyone who has a concern about any product do the same for themself instead of blindly trusting any one person, including little old me. :) ]

Sorry this got so long. :D
 

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Since i'm still quite new to vaping and i don't know much about Aspire, so i'm just curious do they make changes quite frequently? Reason i'm asking is because i'm a creature of habit and as i get older, i realize i don't handle change as easy than when i was younger. So i'm wanting to find a tank that will be consistent in regards to not having to worry about the coils being changed so much.

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I'm still rather new myself, and I won't claim to be an expert, but this is the information I've gathered from my research (I've only been reading up on the Nautilus specifically, though, because those are the only tanks I'm currently using).

The last time Aspire did a major re-design of the coils, they still kept selling the older version (and they're actually still selling both right now- they're called "BDC" coils, and the newer ones are the "BVC" coils).

The thing is, that change in design came about just from Aspire's own desire to come out with a new, improved product, so there was no reason for them to stop selling the older version. Obviously not everyone decided to switch to the BVC coils, because Aspire is still selling the old design, too, and they wouldn't be doing that if they weren't selling any. :)

So in that example, yes they made changes in the new coils, but the old coils are still manufactured and no one had to switch if they didn't want to. Win/win!

I don't want to accidentally start a debate on this thread about why the BVC coils were recently changed to having organic cotton, because that's not what this thread is for. So I'll try to just give you the facts, not my personal opinion.

A person made a video showing the original ceramic BVC coils (not the new organic cotton ones) being taken apart to show what they were made of. The ceramic filling was removed, and, when dry, the ceramic filling crumbled when rubbed between fingers. Based on that, an assumption was made that this was proof that everyone who was using those coils was actually inhaling tiny pieces of that ceramic material. On the other side, people said that was impossible because it can't crumble like that when the ceramic is wet, and it's obviously wet when it's being used properly. My opinion aside, those are the 2 sides to that argument.

Aspire made many statements saying their coils were safe to use and that those comments about ceramic being able to become dislodged and inhaled were completely false.

Anyway, a bunch of people started telling Aspire that they should just ditch the ceramic completely and switch over to organic cotton. That way it would give the complaining crowd no more ammunition to make claims of the coils being dangerous (regardless of whether they were right), and, theoretically, it could improve their product because organic cotton is said to be a great material to vape on (the best flavor, etc.) Aspire listened to the community, and recently decided to change their coils to this new organic cotton version.

Because this change was made for many different reasons (I assume the most important reason was to stop the bad press), this time they chose to stop making the ceramic coils, rather than keep selling them like they did with their last re-design.

Was this the right move? With a few of the complaints I've read on here about the new coils, I certainly don't think so, but that's my personal opinion obviously. :) Did it stop any rumors about their ceramic material? Yep, because it's no longer being manufactured. Do the new coils sound like a huge improvement? On paper, and in their press release, yes (they explained the new coils have a much better taste than the old ones, etc.) But obviously there are complaints coming in from some customers about the new coils being inferior, while others do think they're improved.

This is still so recent, that I'm pretty confident their team is currently working on a way to fix these issues, whether it be re-designing the coils again, or simply selling the old coils along with the new ones. Aspire has been great about taking and using suggestions that are sent to them. (Just the other day they came out with a kit that contains a new type of carrying case. That design came from a post on their forums from a customer who had created one for himself, and they gave him credit and thanked him for coming up with a great design, which I thought was pretty cool.) :)

So.... Yes, they do make changes. But it's normally not a change that people are forced to make. This was a strange situation. They listened to both the happy customers and the accusations from the community, but when the accusations were about whether a product is safe to use, and when Aspire's statements saying the product was indeed safe weren't enough to stop people from claiming otherwise, they decided to do things differently this time. I can't say I blame them one bit, but I do hope they offer the ceramic coils again soon. And some people do love the newer version, so hopefully they'll keep selling those, too. :)

[Side note-
Here's a link to one of the announcements by Aspire about their old ceramic coils, in case you wanted to do some research on your own. http://forum.aspirecig.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1695 I believe it might reference a specific tank, but the Nautilus coils previously had the same ceramic material. That was from before they made the change, but I wanted to include it so no one reads what I wrote and instantly assumes that the old coils were dangerous. That was Aspire's reply to the accusations being made at the time. I did my own research on the subject and formed my own belief based on all the research I did, and I recommend anyone who has a concern about any product do the same for themself instead of blindly trusting any one person, including little old me. :) ]

Sorry this got so long. :D


No apologies necessary, Mack. Your post, in a word, is simply marvelous. (ok, two words) :oops:
 

bizzybazza

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i have now sent three messages to Aspire and have posted in their forum about the problems with spitting and flooding and i keep getting fobbed off with what appears to be a standard phrase.
if your having problems i advise you to keep on reporting to aspire because if we dont they will just take it as a fait accompli.i think they are just ignoring the problem.hoping it will go away .....reminds me of the first couple of weeks with cloupor mini problem....excuses not answers
 

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i have now sent three messages to Aspire and have posted in their forum about the problems with spitting and flooding and i keep getting fobbed off with what appears to be a standard phrase.
if your having problems i advise you to keep on reporting to aspire because if we dont they will just take it as a fait accompli.i think they are just ignoring the problem.hoping it will go away .....reminds me of the first couple of weeks with cloupor mini problem....excuses not answers

i finally received a reply from aspire ......do they think we are all idiots .....i treat this with the distain it deserves....i have just tried the coils again on a different mod/tank checked the voltage and it conforms with what aspire state yet it still spat juice into my mouth.

...reply from aspire
"Dear Customer,
Thank you for supporting aspire and sorry to hear that.
Our engineer did thousands of testing,the big airflow hole version has no problem.
Please check the tank and the coils carefully,if the coil is screwed to the base hardware tightly.
If the seals on the tank and the coil are all right here,no lost or no broken.
If there is crack on th glass tube.
What's more,please disassemble the base hardware off to check if the glass tube is connected to the upper chimney tightly.

Here are our chief engineer suggestion to use our products correctly:
For our 1.6ohm coils,the reasonable voltage is:3.3V-4.2V,use it with normal e-go battery,which have constant voltage output.
For our 1.8ohm coils,It is better to use them with voltage adjustable battery,the voltage should be 4.2-4.8,if the voltage is too low,the quantity of heat is not enough,however the e-juice with high VG,the e-juice can not be atomized very well,then the leaking problem will happend.We usually use VG proportion less than 50%(0-30%)

If leaking problem is happen,please try to disassemble the device,and wash it with clean water,then let it air dry for 1-2 days.
Then change out the old coil
Notice :the coil can not be washed by water.

Have a nice day!

doing an ohms law calculation if the 1.8 ohm coil is fired at the maximum voltage of 4.8v the result is 12.8watts so they are saying you shouldn't fire above that....how unbelievable is that
 
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bizzybazza

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i have been experimenting with these new coils and using gaffa tape have closed off 2 out of the 4 large holes and immediately the spitting juice has stopped and i am not getting any flooding so far.
the experiment was carried out with the same setup before and after ...using a vamo v5 at 11.5 ohms 4.7volts well within the criteria stated by aspire.

to me this seems to point to the fact they made the holes too big
 

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i have been experimenting with these new coils and using gaffa tape have closed off 2 out of the 4 large holes and immediately the spitting juice has stopped and i am not getting any flooding so far.
the experiment was carried out with the same setup before and after ...using a vamo v5 at 11.5 ohms 4.7volts well within the criteria stated by aspire.

to me this seems to point to the fact they made the holes too big

Yay for someone finding a solution! I hope it continues to work for you. :) Great idea, btw.

And yeah, Aspire isn't the best at communicating in English (as I'm sure you can tell, lol) and they tend to give that copy/paste reply when people are having issues. Seems how this isn't a user-caused problem, if they get enough reports and complaints they'll have to take a closer look at the new coils. I was thinking about emailing them a link to this thread, because I'm sure not everyone having problems is going to take the time to post on Aspire's forums or send them an email. I don't know if they'll admit there's a problem until they've already got a solution planned, so maybe it will take some time for them to acknowledge the issue? Just a thought. I really have no clue. :(

If the solution is as simple as shrinking or closing off some of the holes, hopefully they can work fast to get it fixed. They're a business, so obviously they'd want to keep customers coming back. Whatever they decide to do is going to take a little while though, which is what really sucks.

The easiest and quickest thing for them to do would be to manufacture the old ceramic coils again, and sell both the older coils and the new coils. (Hint, hint, Aspire... if they ever read this. :D)
 

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No apologies necessary, Mack. Your post, in a word, is simply marvelous. (ok, two words) :oops:

Aw, thank you! :)

I'm just happy it didn't steer this thread in the wrong direction, lol. I'm trying to keep an eye on these new coils in case I have to use them someday, so I didn't want to accidentally start a whole new discussion about why the change was made here. :) So far so good! :D
 
i have been experimenting with these new coils and using gaffa tape have closed off 2 out of the 4 large holes and immediately the spitting juice has stopped and i am not getting any flooding so far.
the experiment was carried out with the same setup before and after ...using a vamo v5 at 11.5 ohms 4.7volts well within the criteria stated by aspire.

to me this seems to point to the fact they made the holes too big


Yayyy....i grabbed one of my 1.8 larger hole coils that i had packed away and placed a small piece over two holes....sure enough, it works!! Thanks Bizzybazza!

This is a temp fix for me though because until aspire fixes the issue or decides to sell the older BVC's, i will have to use the BDC's or dig in my wallet and buy a GS Air tank or the one Kat posted about at Anyvape.

I've also noticed that aspire replies with a copy and paste reply, but i also understand why. But i would like to see them address this flooding issue with the larger hole coils at a more concerned level, especially since there's so many that dislike these new coils.





MackCloud, yeah it's my hope that someone from Aspire see's this thread too. I love the nautilus mini and i'm hanging in there with good faith that Aspire will come up with an answer/fix to this problem.
 

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Well it's the Nautilus mini BVC's that's giving many of us issues. But will check it out, if aspire comes up with a solution for those of us that dislike the larger hole BVCs.

I know. But different tanks have different behaviors, may be worth a try. I happen to have one and will try it tomorrow with a large hole BVC. Will let you know.
 

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MackCloud, yeah it's my hope that someone from Aspire see's this thread too. I love the nautilus mini and i'm hanging in there with good faith that Aspire will come up with an answer/fix to this problem.

Seems how no one else has said they've sent Aspire a link to this thread, I'll send one to them tomorrow. :)

Unless anyone here doesn't want their post to be read by Aspire. If so, just let me know and I'll go through all the posts instead and sum up all the complaints for them. That'd take a lot more time for me though, so if that happens it might take me a bit longer to get it sent out. But I don't want to step on any toes here, so I don't mind either way.

I'll wait at least a day to email them, that way I can give anyone who doesn't want the whole thread sent time to read this and contact me.
 

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Seems how no one else has said they've sent Aspire a link to this thread, I'll send one to them tomorrow. :)

Unless anyone here doesn't want their post to be read by Aspire. If so, just let me know and I'll go through all the posts instead and sum up all the complaints for them. That'd take a lot more time for me though, so if that happens it might take me a bit longer to get it sent out. But I don't want to step on any toes here, so I don't mind either way.

I'll wait at least a day to email them, that way I can give anyone who doesn't want the whole thread sent time to read this and contact me.

Mack, that's very thoughtful of you, but I doubt it's necessary, as this is a public forum, and the thread is open to whomever wants to read it.
 

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Mack, that's very thoughtful of you, but I doubt it's necessary, as this is a public forum, and the thread is open to whomever wants to read it.

Yeah, I totally get that. :) I just saw that some people were posting their conversations with Aspire on here, so I didn't know if they wanted to keep their opinions on the replies they received under the radar while they're still waiting for another reply. ;) But I guess if people are venting frustration on here they're probably venting directly to Aspire, too, lol. I was going to wait until tomorrow anyway seems how I've already spent so much time on here today. :D
 

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Yayyy....i grabbed one of my 1.8 larger hole coils that i had packed away and placed a small piece over two holes....sure enough, it works!! Thanks Bizzybazza!

This is a temp fix for me though because until aspire fixes the issue or decides to sell the older BVC's, i will have to use the BDC's or dig in my wallet and buy a GS Air tank or the one Kat posted about at Anyvape.

I've also noticed that aspire replies with a copy and paste reply, but i also understand why. But i would like to see them address this flooding issue with the larger hole coils at a more concerned level, especially since there's so many that dislike these new coils.





MackCloud, yeah it's my hope that someone from Aspire see's this thread too. I love the nautilus mini and i'm hanging in there with good faith that Aspire will come up with an answer/fix to this problem.

just need to reiterate one thing ,i covered the holes with gaffa tape purely as an experiment to prove a point ....i do not recommend doing it on a permanent basis as we dont know what reaction there might be between the juice and the gaffa tapes adhesive....
 

bizzybazza

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if you all want to see the response by aspire when i informed them that when spitting the juice had got into my eye twice causing a bad stinging sensation they just keep saying their engineers have tested them and everything is ok .....i hate being called a liar.......lets keep up the pressure ,the more of you that contact aspire about the problems with flooding/spitting the more they will have to take notice
 

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Ok, thanks. I wish it wasn't the coils in my case, but it definitely is.

Hope the Silo vapes good for ya!

ok, so here's the news. the silo started to gurgle late in the afternoon. I usually do 5-6ml per day which means that with the nauti mini I refill around noon. I always unscrew the coil and wipe it's base and the nauti base when refilling. Due to the larger capacity of the silo, this didn't happen and by evening there was some liquid accumulating in the base. Other than that no issues.
 
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