Atherosclerosis and vaping?

[Vaperer]

ladies and gentlemen, I have a question that I would like to address. What causes this condition.? I've heard it's caused by smoking. And fried foods and such. So if you had this condition, and if it came from smoking, is it the nicotine the cause or is it the other stuff in the cigarette the cause?.
would vaping cause the same damage because it contains nicotine?
I think in medical terms it's also called hardening of the arteries. But I'm not sure.
Thanks

 

[untar]

I think you're throwing atherosclerosis and arteriosclerosis together. Atherosclerosis is the buildup of material in the arteries, arteriosclerosis is the hardening of the wall tissue.

 

[Vaperer]

Oh thank you I wasn't sure. I got some kind of condition they say that is calcifications whatever that means. Does anybody have any inkling if nicotine causes this? Not that it matters I'm not going to quit vaping anyway.

 

[mackman]

Dr. told me plaque starts forming the day you enter and stops the day you leave...IDK
Of course lifestyle plays into it

 

[Vaperer]

Dr. told me plaque starts forming the day you enter and stops the day you leave...IDK
Of course lifestyle plays into it

Reckon it's just another cycle of life right?

 

[untar]

Nicotine receptors have some influence on calcium levels but I don't know whether that would contribute to artery calcification. It's said to help protect brain cells, eg here
Nicotine, the Wonder Drug? | DiscoverMagazine.com

 

[Vaperer]

I heard something about a glass of wine a day but I don't remember the details. Stay drunk live longer.

 

[Opinionated]

Smoking makes you at higher risk for the disease, but so do numerous other things, diabetes, obesity and general poor diet to name a few.

Smoking is a worse case scenario, for things that nicotine can be contributory to. Meaning, if smoking can cause something and nicotine is the root problem, the other things in smoking (chemicals tar etc) will make the issue worse than nicotine alone..

I don't know much about arteriosclerosis myself, but I will give an example from something else that I do know about.

After fracturing vertebrae in my lower back and having multiple surgeries many, many years ago, I ended up having severe nerve damage and chronic pain (as well a chronic pain disease..)

My doctors always told me that smoking made the pain worse than it might otherwise be if I weren't smoking.. one doctor explained that as smoking interrupted the oxygen supply to the lower part of your spine it made lower back problems worse because the same level of healing couldn't take place.

At least, that was what I remembered him saying.

At any rate I never could quit smoking until I found vaping 4 years ago (almost). Yet, I found that when I quit smoking my pain level did indeed decrease... quite dramatically really.

Now, I was vaping and taking in nicotine on a daily basis... but quitting smoking decreased the pain.

I'm having recent further problems with my back, some vertebrae are moving out of place and pinching nerves.. the pain is severe.

The doc mentioned that nicotine can attach (or attaches) to pain receptors and can make pain more intense.

Now that I've quit vaping (completely) I did notice a decrease in pain, such that by day 6 of not vaping, I was able to increase (by double) the amount of physical therapy that I could tolerate per day.

That is quite a big decrease in pain. and that was nicotine alone not combined with smoking.

Updates on Smoking And Low Back Pain

Anyway.. so some diseases that smoking causes, or some problems caused by smoking, if it's nicotine at the heart of the problem then those problems may still be there to an extent if your taking in nicotine through vaping

If your curious why not speak to your doctor and look up various scholarly articles on the topic. . Learn more about it.

 

[Vaperer]

Smoking makes you at higher risk for the disease, but so do numerous other things, diabetes, obesity and general poor diet to name a few.

Smoking is a worse case scenario, for things that nicotine can be contributory to. Meaning, if smoking can cause something and nicotine is the root problem, the other things in smoking (chemicals tar etc) will make the issue worse than nicotine alone..

I don't know much about arteriosclerosis myself, but I will give an example from something else that I do know about.

After fracturing vertebrae in my lower back and having multiple surgeries many, many years ago, I ended up having severe nerve damage and chronic pain (as well a chronic pain disease..)

My doctors always told me that smoking made the pain worse than it might otherwise be if I weren't smoking.. one doctor explained that as smoking interrupted the oxygen supply to the lower part of your spine it made lower back problems worse because the same level of healing couldn't take place.

At least, that was what I remembered him saying.

At any rate I never could quit smoking until I found vaping 4 years ago (almost). Yet, I found that when I quit smoking my pain level did indeed decrease... quite dramatically really.

Now, I was vaping and taking in nicotine on a daily basis... but quitting smoking decreased the pain.

I'm having recent further problems with my back, some vertebrae are moving out of place and pinching nerves.. the pain is severe.

The doc mentioned that nicotine can attach (or attaches) to pain receptors and can make pain more intense.

Now that I've quit vaping (completely) I did notice a decrease in pain, such that by day 6 of not vaping, I was able to increase (by double) the amount of physical therapy that I could tolerate per day.

That is quite a big decrease in pain. and that was nicotine alone not combined with smoking.

Updates on Smoking And Low Back Pain

Anyway.. so some diseases that smoking causes, or some problems caused by smoking, if it's nicotine at the heart of the problem then those problems may still be there to an extent if your taking in nicotine through vaping

If your curious why not speak to your doctor and look up various scholarly articles on the topic. . Learn more about it.

Smoking makes you at higher risk for the disease, but so do numerous other things, diabetes, obesity and general poor diet to name a few.

Smoking is a worse case scenario, for things that nicotine can be contributory to. Meaning, if smoking can cause something and nicotine is the root problem, the other things in smoking (chemicals tar etc) will make the issue worse than nicotine alone..

I don't know much about arteriosclerosis myself, but I will give an example from something else that I do know about.

After fracturing vertebrae in my lower back and having multiple surgeries many, many years ago, I ended up having severe nerve damage and chronic pain (as well a chronic pain disease..)

My doctors always told me that smoking made the pain worse than it might otherwise be if I weren't smoking.. one doctor explained that as smoking interrupted the oxygen supply to the lower part of your spine it made lower back problems worse because the same level of healing couldn't take place.

At least, that was what I remembered him saying.

At any rate I never could quit smoking until I found vaping 4 years ago (almost). Yet, I found that when I quit smoking my pain level did indeed decrease... quite dramatically really.

Now, I was vaping and taking in nicotine on a daily basis... but quitting smoking decreased the pain.

I'm having recent further problems with my back, some vertebrae are moving out of place and pinching nerves.. the pain is severe.

The doc mentioned that nicotine can attach (or attaches) to pain receptors and can make pain more intense.

Now that I've quit vaping (completely) I did notice a decrease in pain, such that by day 6 of not vaping, I was able to increase (by double) the amount of physical therapy that I could tolerate per day.

That is quite a big decrease in pain. and that was nicotine alone not combined with smoking.

Updates on Smoking And Low Back Pain

Anyway.. so some diseases that smoking causes, or some problems caused by smoking, if it's nicotine at the heart of the problem then those problems may still be there to an extent if your taking in nicotine through vaping

If your curious why not speak to your doctor and look up various scholarly articles on the topic. . Learn more about it.

Yes everything you just said has been said to me before. I got an appointment next month. I'm a naturally nervous kind of person you may say. But I'm not too hip on my location with doctors it's not too good in Puerto Rico right now. I guess if I got to go home to the mainland that's what I got to do.

 

[Opinionated]

Yes everything you just said has been said to me before. I got an appointment next month. I'm a naturally nervous kind of person you may say. But I'm not too hip on my location with doctors it's not too good in Puerto Rico right now. I guess if I got to go home to the mainland that's what I got to do.

Well and just remember, vaping is better than smoking, period.

If you need to vape to stay off the cigarettes then do so, because it's better.

If you have problems with diabetes, poor diet and exercise, or other risk factors for arteriosclerosis, then stopping vaping won't be a magic bullet to put an end to the problems...

It's up to you to use common sense. Breathing clean air is always better, but vaping is better than smoking.

 

[Vaperer]

Well and just remember, vaping is better than smoking, period.

If you need to vape to stay off the cigarettes then do so, because it's better.

If you have problems with diabetes, poor diet and exercise, or other risk factors for arteriosclerosis, then stopping vaping won't be a magic bullet to put an end to the problems...

It's up to you to use common sense. Breathing clean air is always better, but vaping is better than smoking.

AGREED

 

[stols001]

Yeah, I'd say it's going to be hard to tease everything out based on lifestyles (usually) having more than one thing to it. Ultimately, nicotine may be bad for your condition, but I guess you'd have to take to your providers about that and ways to minimize your risk.

I don't know a ton about this condition. I do know that in most cases, vaping is safer than smoking, but depending on your condition and how it progresses, you might want to look at if you can lower your nicotine content in your vape. Again, I'm not a doctor, but I would probably do some research (if it were me) and some in depth talking to your providers about what is best-- for you. Etc.

Good luck,

Anna

 

[Vaperer]

Yeah, I'd say it's going to be hard to tease everything out based on lifestyles (usually) having more than one thing to it. Ultimately, nicotine may be bad for your condition, but I guess you'd have to take to your providers about that and ways to minimize your risk.

I don't know a ton about this condition. I do know that in most cases, vaping is safer than smoking, but depending on your condition and how it progresses, you might want to look at if you can lower your nicotine content in your vape. Again, I'm not a doctor, but I would probably do some research (if it were me) and some in depth talking to your providers about what is best-- for you. Etc.

Good luck,

Anna

AGREED AGAIN!

 

[englishmick]

Smoking makes you at higher risk for the disease, but so do numerous other things, diabetes, obesity and general poor diet to name a few.

Smoking is a worse case scenario, for things that nicotine can be contributory to. Meaning, if smoking can cause something and nicotine is the root problem, the other things in smoking (chemicals tar etc) will make the issue worse than nicotine alone..

I don't know much about arteriosclerosis myself, but I will give an example from something else that I do know about.

After fracturing vertebrae in my lower back and having multiple surgeries many, many years ago, I ended up having severe nerve damage and chronic pain (as well a chronic pain disease..)

My doctors always told me that smoking made the pain worse than it might otherwise be if I weren't smoking.. one doctor explained that as smoking interrupted the oxygen supply to the lower part of your spine it made lower back problems worse because the same level of healing couldn't take place.

At least, that was what I remembered him saying.

At any rate I never could quit smoking until I found vaping 4 years ago (almost). Yet, I found that when I quit smoking my pain level did indeed decrease... quite dramatically really.

Now, I was vaping and taking in nicotine on a daily basis... but quitting smoking decreased the pain.

I'm having recent further problems with my back, some vertebrae are moving out of place and pinching nerves.. the pain is severe.

The doc mentioned that nicotine can attach (or attaches) to pain receptors and can make pain more intense.

Now that I've quit vaping (completely) I did notice a decrease in pain, such that by day 6 of not vaping, I was able to increase (by double) the amount of physical therapy that I could tolerate per day.

That is quite a big decrease in pain. and that was nicotine alone not combined with smoking.

Updates on Smoking And Low Back Pain

Anyway.. so some diseases that smoking causes, or some problems caused by smoking, if it's nicotine at the heart of the problem then those problems may still be there to an extent if your taking in nicotine through vaping

If your curious why not speak to your doctor and look up various scholarly articles on the topic. . Learn more about it.

Been there. It's not just the lower back. I had major surgery on my neck, had 4 vertebrae fused. The doc said I needed to stop smoking for a month before and 3 months afterwards. Luckily cigalikes had just started appearing in the Mall kiosks.

His explanation was that the CO in cigarette smoke reduced the oxygen supply to the spine. Supposedly the O2 supply to the spine is sensitive to CO level, can't remember why that is. He said it wasn't caused by nicotine.

He said people who had my surgery and smoked had significantly less chance of a good long term outcome. Less growth of new bone and way higher chance of problems requiring more surgery.

 

[Rossum]

His explanation was that the CO2 in cigarette smoke reduced the oxygen supply to the spine. Supposedly the O2 supply to the spine is sensitive to CO2 level, can't remember why that is. He said it wasn't caused by nicotine.

More likely CO than CO2...

Carbon monoxide is generally very bad for the heart and arteries as well.

 

[Vaperer]

More likely CO than CO2...

Carbon monoxide is generally very bad for the heart and arteries as well.

Yeah I had to get a procedure once and that's what I heard you got to stop smoking. But I didn't and I told him I did and it was a complete success.

 

[JCinFLA]

Most surgeons will request that smokers stop a minimum of 24-36 hours before any surgery requiring anesthesia. The surgeon that did 2 pretty quick operations on me (each was 1/2 hour or less), suggested it for both.

 

[Opinionated]

Been there. It's not just the lower back. I had major surgery on my neck, had 4 vertebrae fused. The doc said I needed to stop smoking for a month before and 3 months afterwards. Luckily cigalikes had just started appearing in the Mall kiosks.

His explanation was that the CO2 in cigarette smoke reduced the oxygen supply to the spine. Supposedly the O2 supply to the spine is sensitive to CO2 level, can't remember why that is. He said it wasn't caused by nicotine.

He said people who had my surgery and smoked had significantly less chance of a good long term outcome. Less growth of new bone and way higher chance of problems requiring more surgery.

Yep, agreed, but that's something completely different than nicotine and the pain receptors. Read that article I posted, it's interesting - and in my case anyway it's true, because cutting out nicotine (vaping) also decreased pain levels.

In acute pain phases nicotine seems to have an analgesic affect, but in chronic pain phases nicotine has the opposite affect and can make pain worse. (Or this is also somehow influenced/affected by chronic nicotine use).

 

[englishmick]

More likely CO than CO2...

Carbon monoxide is generally very bad for the heart and arteries as well.

Yup, it was CO not CO2. Thanks for picking that up. I'll see if I can change my post.

 

[englishmick]

Yep, agreed, but that's something completely different than nicotine and the pain receptors. Read that article I posted, it's interesting - and in my case anyway it's true, because cutting out nicotine (vaping) also decreased pain levels.

In acute pain phases nicotine seems to have an analgesic affect, but in chronic pain phases nicotine has the opposite affect and can make pain worse. (Or this is also somehow influenced/affected by chronic nicotine use).

It is interesting. On the other hand nic might help keep Alzheimer's at bay, and my family history makes that a big deal. Down to individual needs, like everything else I guess. Pick your poison.