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Uhhmm, titanium... You suggest someone close the post before a fight breaks out while at the same time, it seems to me, being the greatest instigator of caustic rhetoric. The OP was obviously miffed but was civil.
Yes, P owners have as much right to suggest their favorite devices as anyone else has for theirs. I think the point that the OP was making is that they should consider more carefully how reasonable that suggestion might be. Not so much an attack, more of a plea...at least, I received it as such.
'Nuf said.
Yes, P owners have as much right to suggest their favorite devices as anyone else has for theirs. I think the point that the OP was making is that they should consider more carefully how reasonable that suggestion might be. Not so much an attack, more of a plea...at least, I received it as such.
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I also agree when the subject isnt related to the same cost scale, but when people who can spend that much, we really are trying to help them from wasting money and repeating the same junk cycle so many of us go through..
I just purchased a cobra with 2 titanium drip tips ha ha .............
I'm holding out for the next version, with variable wattage, Siri and MP3 player.
I'm also not a fan of suggesting that everyone should have a Provari. How about letting people get their vaping legs first, try different juices, taste properly again, and decide if they want to keep doing this, before pushing them to the ne plus ultra of devices? It seems pretty great, but like expensive espresso machines or professional cameras, possession of a Provari doesn't guarantee vaping nirvana.
I'm also not a fan of suggesting that everyone should have a Provari. How about letting people get their vaping legs first, try different juices, taste properly again, and decide if they want to keep doing this, before pushing them to the ne plus ultra of devices? It seems pretty great, but like expensive espresso machines or professional cameras, possession of a Provari doesn't guarantee vaping nirvana.
I don't see a reason for this thread to be closed or for fights to break out over it. The Op is correct in what he is saying. The Provari does get pushed a lot. Now, it could be that is due to it's solid build and performance and as such it is a worthwhile recommendation. DizGrizz hit the nail on the head, folks may just be trying to look out for others. In a forum of our size, that could be a whole lot of folks...
Keep the discussion going...
Keep the discussion going...
Yes I do think its immature to laugh at someone because they don't have enough money for something. As a matter of fact I think it is down right mean. Titanium please do realize that I am not trying to attack you or tell you what you can or can't recommend to someone. Just take into consideration that some people can't afford one.
It's about damn time someone stepped up and said this. This is another reason I don't post on forums anymore....people lack the ability to comprehend what they read. Kudos to you for finally speaking out about this. Yes, the provari's are nice, I own several, but I also know of some very nice, less expensive alternatives. If people state what they can spend, then everyone helping that person needs to keep the amount of money stated in mind, and the provari fans stay home.
What owners of silver (or black) sausages must understand is not every man is comfortable putting a big ol tube with a sloshing tank of juice up to his mouth and suckin on it. But it does seem a good many are,so who am I to judge. Chef don't judge.
Shot thru cyberspace with my iGun.
Shot thru cyberspace with my iGun.
Happens all the time. And not just with a ProVari. It'd help if people actually read what the OP posted.
This can really be applied to any PV.
Lately people are forgetting to read what the OP is asking...the OP's needs and wants.
Sure - we want to guide them to something that we know is better...but they are not to that point yet...at the beginning, most are nervous and self conscious .
E-cigs are overwhelming enough for some...it is their desires that need to be met...not yours.
I see people asking for help with what they bought...and are told to just buy "X" instead...HELP them with what they have, help them to understand the function
of what they are using. Every step is knowledge and with that appreciation.
Lately people are forgetting to read what the OP is asking...the OP's needs and wants.
Sure - we want to guide them to something that we know is better...but they are not to that point yet...at the beginning, most are nervous and self conscious .
E-cigs are overwhelming enough for some...it is their desires that need to be met...not yours.
I see people asking for help with what they bought...and are told to just buy "X" instead...HELP them with what they have, help them to understand the function
of what they are using. Every step is knowledge and with that appreciation.
When someone ask what APV they should purchase and then qualify that their budget is $50 and say they don't want a VV APV those that jump in with a one liner saying "get a Provari" are just plain rude IMO and unfortunately there seems to be a lot of rudeness going around this forum lately. 
Entirely different story when someone's question is wide open by saying "What AVP should I get?" and then goes on to qualify that they are open to all suggestions. If you love your Provari then by all means feel free to offer it as a suggestion.
Entirely different story when someone's question is wide open by saying "What AVP should I get?" and then goes on to qualify that they are open to all suggestions. If you love your Provari then by all means feel free to offer it as a suggestion.
While I understand and agree with the premise of the OP, I do take issue with the presentation and general tone of the argument. Of the forums I frequent, ECF is by far the most civil and friendly site I've come across. If I stumble across a post I don't agree with, I have the option of ignoring it, or adding to the thread so that the posts leading in the wrong direction are hopefully outnumbered. Starting a campaign to rally people to your opinion of what's annoying just doesn't seem very productive, and in my opinion it degrades the overall quality of this forum, so please don't.
BTW, the same thing could be said about all the posts in the threads asking about clearos that then recommend cartos, tanks, dripping attys, RBAs, etc. Just about any thread on this forum has a percentage of off-topic posts, and that's just a byproduct of human conversation, so it's to be expected. Knowledge comes for diverse sources and opinions, and it's a rare gift to find such an abundant source as can be found here.
BTW, the same thing could be said about all the posts in the threads asking about clearos that then recommend cartos, tanks, dripping attys, RBAs, etc. Just about any thread on this forum has a percentage of off-topic posts, and that's just a byproduct of human conversation, so it's to be expected. Knowledge comes for diverse sources and opinions, and it's a rare gift to find such an abundant source as can be found here.
I agree with the OP. Many times I read some of the new member threads and just shake my head. Does anyone read and Comprehend what the original poster stated? These people are very new to vaping and are Just Starting. I know I sure as heck didn't want to sink a ton of money into something that I didn't know would work. Nothing else did up to that point. I saw all the raving about the Provari and after looking at every thing else I had to get to even get started? No way!!!
Think about it.....that's just the battery, then you have the charger, and now you have to have backups, an atomizer, or carto or this and that ohhhhh don't forget the other thing! Holy cow!!! Now I have to figure out juice!!!
That $200 dollar item just became a HECK of a lot more. If a newbie does their research and still decides to go for the big gun, fine. That's great for them. If a newbie comes online and asks for help in just getting started on a budget, please take into consideration all the other accessories that can quickly boost the cost of Just Starting.
I decided that for myself I would get the twists. A nice mid price point PV that was reliable and had good results. YES! It works! It really works!!! I'm off cigs with no major withdrawals! Ok. NOW I'm ready to start exploring what else is out there because I KNOW my twists will not last forever. They will get me through until I find something that will last for much longer, something that I can replace the batteries on instead of throwing out the only thing that is driving the delivery system.
I'm very happy that I found vaping at a time where there are so many great options. Give people those options but keep in mind what they are asking for.
Think about it.....that's just the battery, then you have the charger, and now you have to have backups, an atomizer, or carto or this and that ohhhhh don't forget the other thing! Holy cow!!! Now I have to figure out juice!!!
That $200 dollar item just became a HECK of a lot more. If a newbie does their research and still decides to go for the big gun, fine. That's great for them. If a newbie comes online and asks for help in just getting started on a budget, please take into consideration all the other accessories that can quickly boost the cost of Just Starting.
I decided that for myself I would get the twists. A nice mid price point PV that was reliable and had good results. YES! It works! It really works!!! I'm off cigs with no major withdrawals! Ok. NOW I'm ready to start exploring what else is out there because I KNOW my twists will not last forever. They will get me through until I find something that will last for much longer, something that I can replace the batteries on instead of throwing out the only thing that is driving the delivery system.
I'm very happy that I found vaping at a time where there are so many great options. Give people those options but keep in mind what they are asking for.
Provari vs. eVic. They are quite different animals in the PV world, are they not? eVic is so new, that unless you had the fortune of getting a prototype for testing (like a few lucky guys I know of in Germany) there's no fair way to just say "buy a provari". The eVic hasn't been around to even see what's it's average reliability even is. I own a provari and I love it. But the eVic looks pretty cool and I may pick one up
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