Authentic Joye 510 vs Fake Joye 510

[Celestino]

http://www.joye510ecig.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/liquid-resistant-dispenser.jpghttp://www.joye510ecig.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/stainless-steel-ring.jpghttp://www.joye510ecig.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/stainless-steel-ring1.jpghttp://www.joye510ecig.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/appearance-of-atomizer-ring.jpghttp://www.joye510ecig.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/atomizer-mesh-shape1.jpghttp://www.joye510ecig.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/atomizer-structures.jpghttp://www.joye510ecig.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/button-in-manual-battery.jpghttp://www.joye510ecig.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/LED-cap-color.jpghttp://www.joye510ecig.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/OK-lines.jpghttp://www.joye510ecig.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/QC-PASS-card.jpghttp://www.evcigarettes.com/product...Matte-Black-Manual-Battery-w{47}Blue-LED.htmlThe Joye 510 Electric Cigarette, also known as the Dura-C, the TECC Titan, and the Yeti, is originally made by joyetech. With the rise in unfair counterfeit electronic products and joyetech's success, various companies produce fake/knock off Joye 510 models and advertise them as Authentic Joye 510 models. Keep in mind joyetech's high standards of quality and innovation that has provided many satisfied consumers an alternative to traditional smoking, and we support further development and innovation by providing Genuine Joyetech Products. Below are comparisons between a REAL Joye 510 and a FAKE Joye 510. (Click on image to enlarge it)

• Material for the liquid resistant dispenser in the cartridge is different. The right one is a genuine Joye 510. Fake 510 uses silica gel while a genuine Joye 510 uses plastic.

• When you pull out the cartridge, you can see there is a stainless steel ring inside of the fake 510 atomizer. The right atomizer is a genuine Joye 510 atomizer.

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• The appearance of the small steel ring is unlike.

• The bracket shape is different. Fake Joye 510 uses “∧” shape.

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• The holes and structures of ceramic support are different. Joye 510's are 4 round blowholes. However, Fake one’s are 2 ellipse holes.

• The button color is different. All buttons for a genuine Joye 510 is black color no matter what the color of battery is. While fake one uses white button for his white battery.

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• The color of LED cap is different. The right one is a genuine Joye 510.

• OK lines are different. Right side battery is a genuine Joye 510. A genuine Joye 510 has 2 OK lines and they are white and black. While the fake one has 3 lines and separately are blue, red and white.​

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• A genuine Joye 510 does not contain this QC PASS card for each kit.

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[qwertylesh]

awesome and informative thread

Its good to raise awareness of what separates the fakes from the genuine product.

would you happen to have or could link any comparison for the Joye eGo genuine vs fakes?

 

[radicaljd]

Very informative. Thanks!

 

[tmbrown327]

Interesting. I wouldn't have known a fake from an original if it bit me. Having said that, I don't see any narrative on why one is better or worse than the other. For instance, the JoyE uses a plastic liquid resistant dispenser while the knockoff uses silica gel. Is plastic better than silica gel? Why? All the other information is like that too. The gist of your post seems to be that the knockoffs are inferior to the JoyE, and they may be, but your post doesn't (to me anyway) explain why. Just saying.

 

[Celestino]

Interesting. I wouldn't have known a fake from an original if it bit me. Having said that, I don't see any narrative on why one is better or worse than the other. For instance, the JoyE uses a plastic liquid resistant dispenser while the knockoff uses silica gel. Is plastic better than silica gel? Why? All the other information is like that too. The gist of your post seems to be that the knockoffs are inferior to the JoyE, and they may be, but your post doesn't (to me anyway) explain why. Just saying.

Well I didn't think explaining why other products are inferior b/c the gist is that Joyetech is who originally made this product that so many LOVE! Its just like buying fake I-Phone or a fake laptop battery in my opinion. Counterfeit products is a very big business that puts profits ahead of your health concerns. If you must need a reason, then I must say its the quality of the products, safety of the products, and for further innovation (Joye 510 -> Joye eGo) to the company (Joyetech) who made this great product!

 

[Celestino]

awesome and informative thread

Its good to raise awareness of what separates the fakes from the genuine product.

would you happen to have or could link any comparison for the Joye eGo genuine vs fakes?

Sorry I don't have any comparisons for the Joye eGo, YET...

 

[tmbrown327]

What if, just for the sake of argument, cuz I'm that kinda guy, the following was true:
Silica gel is actually better than plastic?
The lack of a stainless steel ring improves the performance?
(can't comment on the next two, don't know why they're listed)
The elliptical holes actually provide better draw characteristics?
Customers found that matching button color was preferable to black?
Customers like the fake LED cover color better?
Having 3 separate wires for the OK line is safer?


If you've read this far and haven't figured out that I'm busting on you, shame on you.

 

[Celestino]

What if, just for the sake of argument, cuz I'm that kinda guy, the following was true:
Silica gel is actually better than plastic?
The lack of a stainless steel ring improves the performance?
(can't comment on the next two, don't know why they're listed)
The elliptical holes actually provide better draw characteristics?
Customers found that matching button color was preferable to black?
Customers like the fake LED cover color better?
Having 3 separate wires for the OK line is safer?


If you've read this far and haven't figured out that I'm busting on you, shame on you.

Who wants to argue with you? These photos are from JOYETECH, so I'm simply providing information and I never said anything was better or worse, just real or fake.

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[firhill]

Good comparison info posted..thanks

Any idea where I can get the non-Joye product?

 

[Celestino]

Good comparison info posted..thanks

Any idea where I can get the non-Joye product?

I'm not sure, but as soon as you find them please post them here so we all know who does. If you need help figuring it out you can buy a Genuine Joye 510 on sale now for only $47.96 for a dual Joye 510 Electric Cigarette Kit or $27.96 for a single Joye 510 Electric Cigarette Kit after 20% discount with coupon code "summersale" and receive fast, free USPS Priority Mail shipping on all orders over $50 or more. Then compare to any fake using these photos and please repost your results here for us all, thanks!

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[unsure]

Will you be planning on having 510 LR attys?

 

[Celestino]

I'd be very careful about calling other 510 models "fakes" unless vendors are trying to pass them off as genuine Joye Kit rather than clearly explaining (as many do) that they are from other manufacturers.

Many people prefer the other manufacturer's versions of the 510 and it is people's right to do so, competition and variety makes it better for everyone.

Correct me if I am wrong, but last time I checked Joye 510 was originally made by Joyetech. So if another company that is NOT Joyetech clones it and calls it Joye 510 its a fake, because its not a Joyetech 510. As far as competition and variety making things better, sure I agree with you, but not to the extent where a company's intellectual property and success are just almost identically copied and sold as. If you make such a great product, why don't you brand it as your own instead of unfairly and greedily stealing the name and design? A broad example would be like Pepsi calling their product Coke, but they don't and they look different too. Below is a news story on CNBC about the mutli-billion dollar industry of counterfeiting and how it puts all consumers at risk, which may not exactly relate to this conversation, but you should get the idea.

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[firhill]

I'd be very careful about calling other 510 models "fakes" unless vendors are trying to pass them off as genuine Joye Kit rather than clearly explaining (as many do) that they are from other manufacturers.

Correct me if I am wrong, but last time I checked Joye 510 was originally made by Joyetech. So if another company that is NOT Joyetech clones it and calls it Joye 510 its a fake,

Honestly...I think you might do a lot better on ECF if you lost a bit of the attitude.
There's nothing the members here like less than a new supplier who comes across as a know-it-all..

Now, you made your point..again, but I'm not sure why it was in response to Lisa's post, as she agreed, it's OK to call them "fakes", as long as they are truly not Joye products.

FWIW..I just bought some Joy510's. Fakes,copies, call 'em what you want, but they seem to work as well as the Joye510's I use.

 

[Celestino]

Honestly...I think you might do a lot better on ECF if you lost a bit of the attitude.
There's nothing the members here like less than a new supplier who comes across as a know-it-all..

Now, you made your point..again, but I'm not sure why it was in response to Lisa's post, as she agreed, it's OK to call them "fakes", as long as they are truly not Joye products.

FWIW..I just bought some Joy510's. Fakes,copies, call 'em what you want, but they seem to work as well as the Joye510's I use.

First of all I apologize if it seems that I had an attitude. We just wanted to point out that we feel strongly about the companies that don't tell the truth about their 510 products and say things that just aren't true. For example in a post I read, someone said that Joyetech has a policy that forces its customers (like me and my competitors) to sell Starter Kits at a Suggested Price which is totally UNTRUE! Another example of what I read is that Shenzhen Kingseek Technology is an independent manufacturer of Joyetech, guess what UNTRUE! Joyetech DOES have currently MOQ (mininum order requirement) that MOST new companies just CANNOT simply meet. So other 510 manufacturers exist that don't have such strict MOQ requirements, and you can guess what happens.

The intention of this post was not to say that fakes don't work, they just are simply not Joyetech Joye 510s.

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[firhill]

First of all I apologize if it seems that I had an attitude. We just wanted to point out that we feel strongly about the companies that don't tell the truth about their 510 products and say things that just aren't true. For example in a post I read, someone said that Joyetech has a policy that forces its customers (like me and my competitors) to sell Starter Kits at a Suggested Price which is totally UNTRUE! Joyetech DOES have currently MOQ (mininum order requirement) that MOST new companies just CANNOT simply meet. So other 510 manufacturers exist that don't have such strict MOQ requirements, and you can guess what happens.

The intention of this post was not to say that fakes don't work, they just are simply not Joyetech Joye 510.

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So here's the deal...

1) If you have something to say to me, stop with the accusatory PM's and post it here.

2) The link at the bottom stays..sorry. Hundreds of members at ECF use the same signature and to my knowledge, to this date you're the first supplier that has suggested it is a link with a virus.

3) Go ahead...PM a moderator as you said you would. Contrary to your conspiracy theory, you will find out I'm not a supplier.

4) Re: your PM. Nah, no hurt feelings here. Customer is always right...which, by default, makes the supplier always wrong.

5) As for your requesting me not to post in this thread...No can do. I'll post when I see fit.

6) Post edited to replace the "cheers" emoticon,( with 1-5 above)due to the nature of the PM you sent.

 

[Celestino]

deleted post, irrelevant material

 

[Wench]

I think the main issue I noticed ( from seeing this and other post's) is your advertising your business and products by implying everyone else carries "fakes". It comes across very negative, perhaps a re-wording would be better. ( not all other 510 brands are bad or inferior like Lisa said, so I agree with her on this some perform quite well actually)

Also not all non Joyetech 510's are as easy to tell as the washered SLB 510 type that you show compared. There are others that are extremely close to the point of if you don't know exactly what your looking for you'd never know the difference (you should post those also so people can tell the difference)

 

[Celestino]

I think the main issue I noticed ( from seeing this and other post's) is your advertising your business and products by implying everyone else carries "fakes". It comes across very negative, perhaps a re-wording would be better. ( not all other 510 brands are bad or inferior like Lisa said, so I agree with her on this some perform quite well actually)

Also not all non Joyetech 510's are as easy to tell as the washered SLB 510 type that you show compared. There are others that are extremely close to the point of if you don't know exactly what your looking for you'd never know the difference (you should post those also so people can tell the difference)

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I never said everyone else carries fake Joye 510s, but I see your point. I guess this thread would sound like negative comments towards other suppliers, especially if the supplier carries a different brand 510. And thanks for the info Wench!

 

[o4_srt]

fwiw, quality control, even from joyetech, is a joke. Soldering is substandard, flux everywhere, improper lead tinning.

of course, this is coming from a certified j-standard class 3 electronics technician who does mil-spec work, but soldering is so simple that most companies these days have no excuse to sell products with the terrible workmanship that they have.

just because something WORKS doesn't mean it will a) last and b) work as well as it could.

 

[VaporMadness]

The more appropriate term is genuine Joye ecig components. The word fake has negative connotations which, intentional or not, is misleading. Several other manufacture's 510 components are very comparable to joye's components, some may even argue better. After all, there is a fair amount of subjectivity involved in making a comparison, particularly when it comes to flavor production.