Authentic makers sueing Cloners?

[samcm010]

The patent system here is broke... Not only does it take forever to get one, you can get one for something already made then sue the original maker... Or, buy patents from other companies, then run around and threaten to sue unless they 'pay up'.. Its crazy I tell ya!

Which supports my theory that it is important for us as consumers to do the right thing and spend our dollars with the originators and help support risk takers artists and innovators especially in our "little" world

 

[Midniteoyl]

I'm not buying your perceived value theory. You want the real thing, you just don't want to pay for it, so you facilitate the theft of it's design by paying someone else to steal it for you. This is no different than buying anything stolen, you'll pay less than market rate for it.

Your claim of can afford but will not afford reminds me of rich people who shoplift, not because they have any need to steal, they just do it because they don't want to pay.

It's all very wrong, very wrong.

Maurice

What??

So, everything you buy is the most expensive one you can find without regard to whether it is actually the one that fits your needs within a budget you set? Really?

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

The entitlement generation doesn't care...

If I could like this a million times ...

I have seen no evidence of child labor, or that they are ridiculously underpaid.. Have you seen these industrial cities? They are pretty modern with costs of living that are about 10x what they are in the country and yet they still come to work and send money home.

Right, and regardless of who is making the clone be it a fully automated CNC machine fed by a robot in a factory that employs Mr. Jetson himself or a thousand 6 year old kids with files and sections of pipe laying around beside a dirt road China is winning.

The U.S. Trade Deficit Shrinks

The overall manufacturing deficit, at $67 billion in July

That's 67 billion in one month, that is unacceptable. We don't put that kind of money into our own problems in an entire year.

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Homelessness is decreasing. And, shifts in the way communities respond to homelessness have primed the country to make great strides in ending homeles s nationally. Targeted federal funding to end homelessness is at its highest level in history—HUD’s homeless assistance grants were funded at $2.1 billion and HUD received $75 million for approximately 10,000 new joint HUD-VA supportive housing (HUD-VASH) vouchers targeted toward chronically homeless veterans. The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) received $300 million in funding for rapid re-housing and homelessness prevention for veterans in the Supportive Services for Veteran Families (SSVF) program and $278 million for the HUD-VASH program in FY 2014.

Maurice

 

[Midniteoyl]

I agree about the trademarks and patent but what about authentics from other countries? It's extremely difficult to get a patent and sometimes even to get a visa to go the country you wish to apply for a patent is difficult as well. There should be a way to get around this or some international patenting body to turn to.

I agree... But its not the way it is unfortunately.

 

[Midniteoyl]

Very Very Very good example

Not really.. ones a garden hose, the others a hydraulic hose. Very different design considerations.

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

Not really.. ones a garden hose, the others a hydraulic hose. Very different design considerations.

Depends on what you put on the ends of the hose.

Maurice

Edit: sounds like a MIL SPEC garden hose to me, LOL.

 

[Midniteoyl]

If I could like this a million times ...



Right, and regardless of who is making the clone be it a fully automated CNC machine fed by a robot in a factory that employs Mr. Jetson himself or a thousand 6 year old kids with files and sections of pipe laying around beside a dirt road China is winning.

The U.S. Trade Deficit Shrinks



That's 67 billion in one month, that is unacceptable. We don't put that kind of money into our own problems in an entire year.

National Alliance to End Homelessness: The State of Homelessness in America 2014



Maurice

Ya.. we are headed down the rabbit hole, no doubt... But thats failed policies.

 

[samcm010]

Not really.. ones a garden hose, the others a hydraulic hose. Very different design considerations.

Now really Midnite you had me with your very reasonable debate but how can you parse this out? He points out using a different manufacturing process why there are differences in our industry it is a very well pointed out example of why a tube and switch is not just a tube and switch

 

[jimbodaddy74]

Depends on what you put on the ends of the hose.

Maurice

Poor attempt to uphold a false equivalent. Fail.

 

[Midniteoyl]

Depends on what you put on the ends of the hose.

Maurice

Sure, if you want a $20+ a foot hose to water your garden... But if you use a garden hose for a 8000psi hydraulic application, it wont be pretty.

 

[stevegmu]

Not really.. ones a garden hose, the others a hydraulic hose. Very different design considerations.

All hose which carry fluid are hydraulic...

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

Ya.. we are headed down the rabbit hole, no doubt... But thats failed policies.

Failed morals predate failed policies, we the lowly people need to restructure that first, the policies will follow.

Maurice

 

[Midniteoyl]

Now really Midnite you had me with your very reasonable debate but how can you parse this out? He points out using a different manufacturing process why there are differences in our industry it is a very well pointed out example of why a tube and switch is not just a tube and switch

? Different applications is why. We, here in this thread, are talking about holding a specific size battery with a specific voltage and supplying that voltage to a coil using a specific standard connection. Watering a garden and washing your car is vary different than supplying 8000psi to a hydraulic piston or motor.

In other words: Very different design considerations

 

[samcm010]

Poor attempt to uphold a false equivalent. Fail.

Depends on whether you can draw parallels to the idea that different manufacturing processes produce different results. I suppose if one believes a chi clone is the same as a Chi Authentic then the argument falls short. but if someone understands there are different metals used and different tolerances and different specs then this example highlights the fact that while it may look the same the process and end result are different.

 

[samcm010]

? Different applications is why. We, here in this thread, are talking about holding a specific size battery with a specific voltage and supplying that voltage to a coil using a specific standard connection. Watering a garden and washing your car is vary different than supplying 8000psi to a hydraulic piston or motor.

In other words: Very different design considerations

yes different considerations but the point is there are different standards to produce what looks like the same thing

 

[jimbodaddy74]

Depends on whether you can draw parallels to the idea that different manufacturing processes produce different results. I suppose if one believes a chi clone is the same as a Chi Authentic then the argument falls short. but if someone understands there are different metals used and different tolerances and different specs then this example highlights the fact that while it may look the same the process and end result are different.

Read post 673 above. Your already weak argument was soundly rebutted before you could make it.

 

[stevegmu]

Now really Midnite you had me with your very reasonable debate but how can you parse this out? He points out using a different manufacturing process why there are differences in our industry it is a very well pointed out example of why a tube and switch is not just a tube and switch

It also took a team of engineers, 1000's of man hours and 10's of 1000's of ft. of scrap to develop the product. Imagine how corporate would feel if after we spent so much time and money developing said product, a Chinese company reverse engineered it and sold it for a fraction of what we sell it for? All of our product lines are patented, yet the only thing from keeping a PRC company from reverse engineering our product lines is that our customers won't buy from us unless it is made in the USA...

 

[Midniteoyl]

All hose which carry fluid are hydraulic...

Splitting hairs...

 

[jimbodaddy74]

That's how you know they're trying not to lose the debate. Next stop, grammar police!

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

Read post 673 above. Your already weak argument was soundly rebutted before you could make it.

The hydraulic hose to garden hose analogy was pointed at illustrating that while a mod is a tube with threading not all tubes with threading are mods.

One is not a clone of another, they are different by design.

Maurice