Bad symptoms after 24 hours

[Frankie29890]

I'm really new to this and got my first e cigarette yesterday. I usually smoke around 6 thin rolled cigarettes a day, probably more like 10-12 at the weekend. Could be up to 20 on a night out.

My e-cig is 1.2mg and I've used about 0.6ml so far over around 24 hours. I've also had maybe 4 cigarettes.

I feel terrible! Might not be related but I've had a headache all day, felt sick on and off, have a very sore neck and don't really feel with it (i.e. brain being slow at work).

Am I using too high dose of nicotine? I've been trying not to use the e-cig too much as I'm aware that it's easy to use much more than I would smoke cigarettes.

Any advice/tips would be appreciated!

 

[KGB7]

Welcome to the forums!


1. You didnt tell us what level nic the juice is.
2. How often do you hydrate and how much?
3. Its winter, so you could be getting a cold.

Which e-cigarette did you get exactly??

 

[Lessifer]

I'm going to guess that you meant 12mg or 1.2% nicotine, and 0.6ml of that over 24 hours shouldn't be over doing it, but everyone is different.

Like KGB7 I think the most important thing is going to be staying hydrated, nausea and headaches can be a sign of too much nic, but they're also the first signs of dehydration. You said how much liquid you've used, but not how often you're puffing on your vaporizer, try cutting back, only pick it up for a few minutes every so often(maybe on the same schedule you smoked) and see how that goes.

 

[Frankie29890]

The juice is 1.2% according to the label. That's what the person in the shop recommended. I drink around 2 litres of water a day.
I've just gotten over a cold and get them quite a lot so usually know when one is coming but this doesn't feel like one. Can't rule it out though.
It's called Eros and I got it from a shop called mirage. Sorry if that's not very helpful!

 

[nyiddle]

It doesn't sound like your symptoms are caused by the e-cig.

Also, the effects of nicotine don't last longer than a couple minutes. If you stop using your e-cig for several hours and you feel sick or not-right, it's nearly impossible that this is an effect of the nicotine. I mean, as far as I know, nicotine/cotinine (what nicotine turns into in your bloodstream) only remains for like.. 2-7 days?

Also just for clarity, "1.2%" refers to 12mg/mL of nicotine. So every mL of e-liquid should contain (approximately) 12mg of nicotine, an amount which you'd be rather hard-pressed to get a bad nicotine reaction from (unless you were dripping it excessively). The warning signs from over-nic'ing are pretty apparent, it'd be one of those things where you take a puff and then kind of gag/salivate/begin to sweat/feel not so good.

 

[KGB7]

Dont smoke cigarettes while vaping E-cigs, just to rule out that they are interfering with each other.

So take a 6-12 hour break from both, keep hydrating, then try E-cig again.

 

[Frankie29890]

Thanks for all the responses. That's reassuring. Perhaps I am just a bit run down and it's just a coincidence it is the day after I started using it!

I do get head rush a bit from the e-cig and a bit of a sore throat but I definitely don't get the sudden sickness/gagging feeling you were talking about.

 

[Frankie29890]

Oh really? I didn't know you couldn't do both. I was wanting to cut down first using the e cig as a substitute for the cut out cigarettes then quit completely after a little while. Is this not recommended then?

 

[nyiddle]

Oh really? I didn't know you couldn't do both. I was wanting to cut down first using the e cig as a substitute for the cut out cigarettes then quit completely after a little while. Is this not recommended then?

Well for the purpose of determining what's making you feel ill, you should probably cut out everything to see if you feel better after 6-12 hrs.

In general though there's not much issue with smoking cigarettes and vaping at the same time (I don't mean literally e-cig in one hand, lit cig in the other -- that's just excessive). When I (and many others) first started vaping, we sort of used the vaping to "supplement" our cigarette addiction. I would smoke a cigarette in the morning, after meals, in the car, but all other times when I'd usually be smoking, I'd use my e-cig. I (and many others) have not seen any negative repercussions from doing this.

Again, it's hard as hell to over-nic, and you'll feel the warning signs as a result. It wouldn't make much sense for the nicotine to be making you sick after the fact (otherwise cigarettes would too). It's possible you have a PG or VG allergy/sensitivity, but it's VERY unlikely and it probably would have come up some other time in your life, considering PG and VG appear in a lot of common household things/foods.

 

[sketchness]

When I over nic I get a little whoozy in the head and I feel stick to my stomach right before that happens. And sometimes I enjoy that. Really not much different than smoking a cigarette. Remeber how you would feel if you went 6 or 8 hours without a smoke and get kind of light headed. Same deal.

I disagree with everyone else on one point. I think 12mg (or 1.2%) is too much if you were only smoking 4-6 on average most days. Try stepping down to 6mg or.6%. I understand that everyone is different but if you were a light smoker 12 could be too much.

As stated somewhere above if you haven't vaped in a few hours (really 1 hour) and are still feeling bad it isn't the vaping.

 

[djsvapour]

Welcome.

Nothing seems out of the ordinary to me.... although if you normally smoke 6 a day and have had 4 AND vaped, then you might have overdone it a little bit.

1.2mg should be OK for you. Clearly, you have bought a rubbish e-cig, but we'll let you off. (small joke, with an element of truth)

Just to give you some idea... I smoked 15 roll ups a day and quit using 1.5ml of 18mg liquid or thereabouts.

1.2mg liquid will not get enough Nicotine into your system in one "sitting" to match a roll up, but vaped over a whole day, that's a good strength I'd say.

6mg might make some sense once you are settled though...

Take it easy, many people dual fuel for ages (like months, not weeks) and it does take a bit of getting used to. Hang in there.

 

[nyiddle]

I disagree with everyone else on one point. I think 12mg (or 1.2%) is too much if you were only smoking 4-6 on average most days. Try stepping down to 6mg or.6%. I understand that everyone is different but if you were a light smoker 12 could be too much.

Eh, assuming he's using an Ego/basic tank, I think 12mg is a pretty regular amount.

I had trouble getting ANY sort of buzz or nice cigarette-y feeling at anything lower than 12 when I was using Egos. Also, considering OP rolls his own, he has been smoking unfiltered hand-rolled cigarettes, which used to leave me with a MUCH stronger buzz than a standard Marlboro.

 

[KGB7]

Thanks for all the responses. That's reassuring. Perhaps I am just a bit run down and it's just a coincidence it is the day after I started using it!

I do get head rush a bit from the e-cig and a bit of a sore throat but I definitely don't get the sudden sickness/gagging feeling you were talking about.

Head rush is the pure Nicotine in your blood stream, perhaps you might want to try 3mg(0.3%) Nic juice, and you can always go back to 12mg(1.2%) Nic if you not getting enough of Nicotine.

Oh really? I didn't know you couldn't do both. I was wanting to cut down first using the e cig as a substitute for the cut out cigarettes then quit completely after a little while. Is this not recommended then?

You can do both, but not advisable and not everyone can handle both. So toss the pack and stick to e-cigs.

 

[KGB7]

Eh, assuming he's using an Ego/basic tank, I think 12mg is a pretty regular amount.

I had trouble getting ANY sort of buzz or nice cigarette-y feeling at anything lower than 12 when I was using Egos. Also, considering OP rolls his own, he has been smoking unfiltered hand-rolled cigarettes, which used to leave me with a MUCH stronger buzz than a standard Marlboro.

Hand rolled are pure tobacco minus all the toxic waste you find in analogs. So you getting more for your buck.

 

[Frankie29890]

It's been a couple of hours since I've touched the e-cig or any cigarettes now and I still feel pretty rubbish so maybe it's just a coincidence.

I'll try not using it for a little while as has been suggested to see if that works. I may try a lower level of nicotine if I feel better after stopping for a while.

Thanks everyone for your help! Hopefully I'll start to feel better soon, whether it be e-cig related or not.

 

[nyiddle]

Hand rolled are pure tobacco minus all the toxic waste you find in analogs. So you getting more for your buck.

I don't mean to laugh in your face, but LOL. Which BT exec fed you that? Tobacco, IN ITSELF, releases A LOT of chemicals when burned. While it is safe to believe that BT adds chemical additives for the purpose of preservation/flavor/shelf-life/etc., tobacco alone does a pretty good job of releasing chemicals.

There are "additive-free" rolling tobaccos, but even those are still "tobacco" and therefore, when burned, will release chemicals. Even then, that has no bearing on the amount of nicotine in the tobacco. Because it's unfiltered (safe to presume) less of the nicotine is getting filtered out (as well as the chemicals), meaning the effect of the nicotine (and the chemicals, really) is greatly increased.

Also while I'm quoting you, what did you mean by this:

Head rush is the pure Nicotine heating your blood stream

 

[Chrissie]

Hello & welcome Frankie I'm also in ther UK

There really is nothing wrong with vaping while still smoking - I did it for quite a while before I completely gave up the real cigs

 

[AndriaD]

Oh really? I didn't know you couldn't do both. I was wanting to cut down first using the e cig as a substitute for the cut out cigarettes then quit completely after a little while. Is this not recommended then?

I did that, gradually phasing out smoking as I vaped more and more, but, I had to go down to 6mg, .6%, in order to do this and not feel sick. Once I was done with cigarettes, I had to go up again to about 8mg in order not to have cravings, but while doing both, 12mg made me nauseous.

Now, I vape about 11mg all the time, but I don't feel the need to chain vape constantly as I did at first -- vaping 11mg allows me to put it down for a while, pick it up and have a few puffs whenever I feel like it, then put it down again.

It depends a lot, also, on the strength of the cigarettes; I smoked ultra-lights, so I was already not getting a lot of nicotine, so, during the time I was getting nicotine from both cigarettes and vaping, any more than 6mg vaping made me nauseous.

The headache, and possibly the nausea too, and definitely the fuzzy-headed feeling, could be withdrawal from cigarettes -- there are other chemicals in cigarette smoke than just nicotine -- but if you're doing both, then maybe just too much nicotine.

Andria

 

[djsvapour]

Hopefully I'll start to feel better soon, whether it be e-cig related or not.

Let's hope so. Don't give up on the e-cig though, if you really want to quit the smokes, just puff on it when you feel the need, you'd be amazed how little puffing you need to do to get through the day.

 

[Halo7s]

Try stepping up your water intake man.