Ban on Internet Sales?

[TennDave]

I can only assume that e-cigs are in this category because of some of "those" companies that give away the freebie and then charge exorbitant amounts of money for the "refills" that come month after month unless you cancel your "deal." There are horrible e-cig companies out there who have bad products and are only out to rip off customers. These are the ones like Green Nicotine and the like who give the entire industry a bad name.

 

[Racehorse]

Sometimes I think that if Obama could just be educated about these things, there would be a change from the top, but I think it's beyond that- or like has been mentioned- it's about the money....and/or he's too busy with other things that he hasn't paid attention to what's going on.

He had a terrible time with cigarette addiction himself as you may remember.

Any vendors send him a nice e-cig rig? I remember when he was quitting, still sneaking off to have one LOL

Surely there are vendors in the DC area who can give a demonstration, invite him to a meet? YOu have to make human contact.....just like I "tell" people to try vaping......it doesn't register, you gotta have a nice rig and get them to TRY IT.

I certainly had no idea what the vaping world had to offer til I came to ECF.

 

[CDnerds]

S1403 Bill Text - 112th Congress (2011-2012) - THOMAS (Library of Congress) isn't going to be passed by Congress, nor even the Senate this session. The lefty Democrats sponsoring the bill cannot even get enough votes from other Democrats to get the bill out of the Senate Finance Committee.

But if Obama is reelected, if the Dems take control of the House and keep control of the Senate (after November's election), its possible that the bill (or a modified variation of it) could be approved by the next Congress.

Regarding John Banzhaf at ASH, he retired in December, 2010.

Regarding Internet sales of e-cigarettes, there are currently no federal or state laws (in the US) that ban the internet sale of e-cigarettes.

Private companies, however, have the right to adopt policies that ban e-cigarette sales, advertisements or payments.

If the FDA proposes and then approves a "deeming" regulation (as Obama appointees at the agency have repeatedly stated their intent to do) to apply Chapter IX of the FSPTCA to e-cigarettes and other currently unregulated tobacco products, it is very likely that e-cigarettes sales via the internet and mail order would be banned. It is unlikely that Obama's FDA will formally propose the "deeming" regulation for e-cigarettes before November's election, but it is likely the agency will do so after the election if Obama is reelected.

If Romney wins the election, there is a very good chance that the FDA either won't propose the "deeming" regulation, and an even better chance that the FDA won't give "final approval" to the deeming regulation if it is proposed.

You cant ban e-cigs from being sold on the internet. You think China is going to shut their websites down because of the FDA? You just host your site off shore, and your not bound by US law. You can take your credit card processing off shore too. The next question is how to get it to the customer. That would be UPS, or Fedex, DHL, etc. Annoying but doable.

They can't ban batteries, wick and wire.. You can get nicotine from eggplants and tomatoes too. Just buy enough nic to last you a few years.. that's what I did. One gallon of nic base will last the average person 2 years. If you get the 100mg stuff, it will last a many years beyond that. Freeze it. Canada deals with it, so can we. China will still ship it to us, and I seriously doubt there are Nicotine sniffing dogs at customs lol.

 

[mwplefty]

You cant ban e-cigs from being sold on the internet. You think China is going to shut their websites down because of the FDA? You just host your site off shore, and your not bound by US law. You can take your credit card processing off shore too. The next question is how to get it to the customer. That would be UPS, or Fedex, DHL, etc. Annoying but doable.

They can't ban batteries, wick and wire.. You can get nicotine from eggplants and tomatoes too. Just buy enough nic to last you a few years.. that's what I did. One gallon of nic base will last the average person 2 years. If you get the 100mg stuff, it will last a many years beyond that. Freeze it. Canada deals with it, so can we. China will still ship it to us, and I seriously doubt there are Nicotine sniffing dogs at customs lol.

Do people do that with cigarettes since it's illegal to sell cigarettes in the US via the Internet?

 

[mwplefty]

I will say that simply blaming one party or another for draconian anti-smoking/anti-vaping laws is pointless. Such legislation must generally be bipartisan in order to pass. Everyone thought that Indiana with a Republican/Libertarian-Leaning governor would NEVER sign a law banning smoking in restaurants, non-hospitality workplaces, and most bars, but he did (just before finishing his term as a matter of fact).

 

[SinystyrMandee]

You cant ban e-cigs from being sold on the internet. You think China is going to shut their websites down because of the FDA? You just host your site off shore, and your not bound by US law. You can take your credit card processing off shore too. The next question is how to get it to the customer. That would be UPS, or Fedex, DHL, etc. Annoying but doable.

They can't ban batteries, wick and wire.. You can get nicotine from eggplants and tomatoes too. Just buy enough nic to last you a few years.. that's what I did. One gallon of nic base will last the average person 2 years. If you get the 100mg stuff, it will last a many years beyond that. Freeze it. Canada deals with it, so can we. China will still ship it to us, and I seriously doubt there are Nicotine sniffing dogs at customs lol.

I actually get some of my juices and my first eGo from a chinese vendor.... $5 shipping if you want to wait 3-5 weeks... $15ish if you want 3-5 days... If all this comes to pass, I'm going to order from them. Their juices aren't the greatest in the world but will do in a pinch. Got my eGo CE4 and like 5 10mL bottles for under $50 with the $5 shipping option. After I found this forum, I started buying from US vendors online to test out new flavors. At least I have something to go back to if all hell breaks loose with the idiots in government...

 

[stevejo]

Do people do that with cigarettes since it's illegal to sell cigarettes in the US via the Internet?

They sure do. Swedish Snus is available like this as well.

 

[Stubby]

They sure do. Swedish Snus is available like this as well.

It's more complicated then that. It is actually not illegal to sell cigarettes via the internet in the US. At least in most states, though the state I live in it is. The PACT act has made it illegal to ship tobacco via USPS. It can only be shipped by UPS or other private shippers. UPS has a policy to not ship cigarettes, but do ship pipe tobacco, cigars, and smokeless tobacco. If it is shipped from within the US state taxes must be collected by the vender and paid to the individual states.

That's a lot of paper work and several smaller US based snus venders went out of business when the PACT act kicked in. There is only one swedish snus vender remaining with a US warehouse. For the moment you can still get Swedish snus directly from Sweden, but it still has to be via UPS and requires an adult signature. Shipping cost have gone way up. Who knows how long that will last.

Bottom line is that even though we can still get Swedish snus in the US, the PACT act has made it more difficult and expensive. The PACT act has been a disaster for tobacco harm reduction, and of course has done nothing to prevent kids from getting cigarettes since kids didn't order cigarettes via the internet anyway.