Bartender Says Its Against the Law
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I am not saying there are not any places we shouldn't vape, but those are far more limited then you would have it.
One of my classes is a computer lab where we work on our own, I vape in that class because it isn't disruptive. I won't vape in my lecture classes not because I want to follow the smoking laws but because me blowing a vapor cloud would be disruptive or distracting.
One of my classes is a computer lab where we work on our own, I vape in that class because it isn't disruptive. I won't vape in my lecture classes not because I want to follow the smoking laws but because me blowing a vapor cloud would be disruptive or distracting.
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as long as you can be polite and not cause a problem with it there is no reason you can't vape anywhere you want. If it is going to be a problem, then don't do it or if a problem arises stop doing it, but don't not do it out of fear of a problem starting.
I asked a bartender if I could do it inside he said no I went outside no biggy, but I wont just go outside by default out of the fear he may say no.
I asked a bartender if I could do it inside he said no I went outside no biggy, but I wont just go outside by default out of the fear he may say no.
this is him saying that we shouldn't even ask.
Also if I wasn't sitting at the bar I would have just done it discreetly, but since I was going to be right in front of him I asked.
There are some of us who believe that smoking bans in places like bars are absolutely insane. So are possible laws against vaping in places like bars. Some of us do not believe that following the herd rather than trying to change these laws is the right thing to do. Personally, I find those who demand that we do it one way rather than another quite paternalistic. I, for one, am sick of that mindset.
Marc here is my suggestion, instead of talking to VP, why don't you just talk to a brick wall, you will get the same results
Putting the defeatism and fear to one side for a moment, does anybody really think these things were intended to address health concerns? To my mind, they were all about providing a smoking-like experience in places where you could smoke before the ban came down. Those of you who find them effective in cutting down your hot cig use (includes me) and now fear a ban should at least acknowledge their primary intended use.
As far as I'm concerned, the whole 'don't smoke where smokers can't' line is asinine (the argument, Pete, not you personally), given what these devices are for and what I bought them for.
I will not follow laws that proscribe smokers' behaviour. They don't affect me. I am no longer of that community.
Emp
As far as I'm concerned, the whole 'don't smoke where smokers can't' line is asinine (the argument, Pete, not you personally), given what these devices are for and what I bought them for.
I will not follow laws that proscribe smokers' behaviour. They don't affect me. I am no longer of that community.
Emp
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Emp you have always been one of my favorite posters, I can't agree with you anymore, these things have a lot of benefits and if you quit analogs good for you, but ecigs were designed with a specific purpose to mimic the actual act of smoking
This new batch of e-smokers popping up seem to have a different perspective on the subject
I say go to bars and restaurants and puff openly in the non smoking section, if management has an issue with you go somewhere else
They kicked smokers out of bars and restaurants, no one said a word
They keep jacking up the price of cigarettes no one says a word
Well I for one started using these damn things so I can actually smoke in a bar or restaurant and so I don't have to pay an extra $7 tax to smoke a damn analog
and if you guys don't start to speak up for your right to vape, that will get trashed too
They want to ban e-cigs
The government wants your money but they don't want you to have any rights
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Truth is you don't have the right to vape on private property, and trying to would alienate people.
I vape in smoking areas only.
I believe the key to ecigs acceptance is through actual smokers not through challenging people.
I vape in smoking areas only.
I believe the key to ecigs acceptance is through actual smokers not through challenging people.
Funny you say that. I have talked with many who feel my points are on target. All of our points a valid marcb, to some degree. Its how strongly you agree or disagree.
My best,
-VP
Then whats the problem?
The exact reason I dont feel we should vape where smokers cant smoke. Thank you for validating my point kind sir.
My best,
-VP
Please point out where I have mentioned FEAR as the motivation for my comments. You cant because I've never said it. Those are your words. I've repeatedly told you... ad-nauseum, why I say what I say.
My best,
-VP
I really don't remember the bar name - in a strip mall somewhere N of downtown - but shortly after the ban took effect in Austin, I was down visiting my brother there for Christmas, and you could pay the bartender $1.00 for a plastic cup of water, no questions asked. You just ashed into it, and were supposed to hide it under the table if a cop came in. It was just silly - the whole bar was smoking.
As for the question of smoking in the bar, I see your problem like this. I'm sure that at some point in your life, you've argued with the legitimacy of a smoking ban by asserting that its a private business' right to allow their customers to engage in any legal activity they wish on their premises. You can't have it both ways - if they want to stop you from something that by the letter of the law might not be legal, they have to have a right to that as well.
It is????????? My god...you cant even get what Im saying when you direct quote me!
So you are admitting that you would have tried to get away with it and waited for someone to confront you? But I thought you were respectfull and asked permission all the time, so as not to offend anyone?
My best,
-VP
Hi K,
I'm with ya all the way. I'm pretty sure you and I are on the same page but I see my opening sentence needs a more emphatic qualifier (I wasn't asking a question). Edited to fix.
Anyway, a summary of what I was saying
e-cigs were introduced to circumvent smoking bans.
As an unintended consequence, I'm now analog free.
Going down the pub is back to being as good as ever. (the year or so between the ban coming in and discovering these things was hard for me).
The "no longer a smoker" bit just refers to the fact that I'm not going to behave like vaping is smoking. I'm sorta known to be emphatic about standing my ground...
Emp
I agree with you that smoking bans in bars are insane. We have a choice to not patronize a bar if we dont like smoke. But busting out your vaping equipment in a non-smoking area is not the way to change laws. It is not following a herd if you step outside, or vape in the bathroom. This argument is NOT about whats right or wrong, its about not creating unnecessary waves in a time when we are trying to get the public ON OUR SIDE. I am not demanding anything (if your refering to me) I am suggesting one way to make e-smoking and e-smokers paletible to the masses. I am sorry if you are sick of that mindset my dear friend.
My best,
-VP
How amusing you should say that.... I feel like I've been talking to a brick wall everytime I have to tell him to REREAD my posts because he refuses to understand my simple points.
I now fear I've met another brick... wall that is
My best,
-VP
I appreciate your input. And again, I agree with you on some points. However, I am talking about gaining public respect and backing for PV's. Please understand Emp... my stance is simply that Saying "Nanenanenana...look what I can do... I can GET AROUND the smoking bans...and continue to "smoke" in front of, and next to, all you smoke haters!! hahahaha!!!" is NOW NOT the way we as respectable vapers should be conducting ourselves. PERCEPTION.
My best,
-VP
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