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Hi l, I am just new to vaping, I have just st bought a new mod, the TESLACIGS® Invader 2/3 Huge Vapor Electronic Cigarette Box Mod Vaporizer 240W/360W. What I want to know is when I but 3xEfest 18650 3500 mAh 20 A IMR High Drain Flat Top Battery - into the device it trebles the volts, is this correct and does that work the same for the 20A, does that treble also?
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Hi l, I am just new to vaping, I have just st bought a new mod, the TESLACIGS® Invader 2/3 Huge Vapor Electronic Cigarette Box Mod Vaporizer 240W/360W. What I want to know is when I but 3xEfest 18650 3500 mAh 20 A IMR High Drain Flat Top Battery - into the device it trebles the volts, is this correct and does that work the same for the 20A, does that treble also?
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The amps won't really fluctuate but will lower as your batts drain. As far as the charge, that fluctuation is normal. Some mods do not show this, yours must have a "live read".
 
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Hi l, I am just new to vaping, I have just st bought a new mod, the TESLACIGS® Invader 2/3 Huge Vapor Electronic Cigarette Box Mod Vaporizer 240W/360W. What I want to know is when I but 3xEfest 18650 3500 mAh 20 A IMR High Drain Flat Top Battery - into the device it trebles the volts, is this correct and does that work the same for the 20A, does that treble also?
Thanks
Hi and welcome,
Efest Purple 20A 3500mAh 18650 Bench Test Results...just another rewrapped 10A battery

The device will manage the batteries. However, the short answer is no. Amps don't stack.

Mah is the capacity (think fuel tank size) of the battery.
Amps is the maximum safe output (think peak horsepower) the battery can provide under perfect conditions.
18650 = 18mm in diameter, 65mm in length and "O" is round/cylinder shape.

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Hi l, I am just new to vaping, I have just st bought a new mod, the TESLACIGS® Invader 2/3 Huge Vapor Electronic Cigarette Box Mod Vaporizer 240W/360W. What I want to know is when I but 3xEfest 18650 3500 mAh 20 A IMR High Drain Flat Top Battery - into the device it trebles the volts, is this correct and does that work the same for the 20A, does that treble also?
Thanks

The Invader 2/3 is a regulated mod, meaning there is a PCB computer board controlling the voltage signal output to what is needed. By treble I am assuming you mean the voltage varies either by displaying optimal voltage signal when you adjust the watts settings or does it on the fly during firing and operation. There is a lot that the PCB does every second of operation, especially when dealing with a PCB that is Temperature Control capable, from reading the coil resistance (Ohms) every few milli to nano seconds, to calculating needed voltage for set watts against that Ohm reading. There is a lot going on under the hood, biggest impact safety wise with a regulated mod is the watts set determines the amps pulled from the battery/batteries.

Voltages of a Li-Ion 18650 range from 4.2v per battery fresh full charge, to absolute safest, lowest voltage of about 2.5v per battery, most current mods shutdown or error signal on voltage at about 3.0 to 3.2v for safety. Being your mod is designed around a "Series Battery Configuration", in this configuration the available voltage potential is voltage of single battery X # of Batteries, but the Mah and CDR amp limit of a single battery. With 20amp CDR batteries, generally speaking, can handle 50 to 60watts per battery, so in two battery mode that becomes 100 to 120watts maximum safest output, 3 batteries is about 150 to 180watts maximum safest output. We use a formula of "Ohm's Law" that uses watts set to determine amps pulled, may seem complex but it is just simple algebra

Watts Sets/Lowest Battery Voltage Available/PCB Control Board Efficiency=Maximum Amps

examples

80 watts set/6.4v (or 3.2v X 2 batteries)/90% (or 0.9)=13.8889amps
80 watts set/9.6v (or 3.2v X 3 batteries)/90%=9.2593amps

Seeing here, higher the available voltage, the lower the amps, lower the available voltage, the higher the amps needed.

Remember also, more strain in amps you request of a battery at once, due to the battery internal resistance, available voltage can sag or dip during load and usage, if your battery charge indicator fluxuates during use constantly, that is showing the control board is pulse width modulating (PWM) to simulate a true flat signal (fire at higher voltage for X number milli-seconds, shutoff for Y number of milli-seconds, fire at X number of seconds again, repeat).

Reading the product description on TeslaCig's website, I have to throw out this caution, especially seeing the batteries you listed you are using, "Efest" batteries.

1) Tesla states you need 35amp high drain 18650 batteries, reality check is this, "No such 18650 exists with that CDR to date given current battery technology", the highest CDR in an 18650 battery format is 30amps CDR, and only 3 models of 18650 have that CDR rating, the LG HB 2, 4 and 6 1500mah.
2) Efest "DOES NOT" make its own batteries, it buys up the B and C bin discards the "Big 4" tested and did not pass muster to put their own name brand on, then Efest re-wraps the battery cells with their own, and most times places its own specs for the battery to appear better than the authentic A Bin Big 4 battery model to sell more, marketing bling bling to catch customer attention, and charge more.
3) The Big 4 mentioned, are LG, Samsung, Sony/Kinion, and Panasonic/Sanyo, 90% of everyone else out there are battery re-wrappers like Efest, so use the batteries you have with caution, 40 amps max on the label, assume between 10 to 20amps max CDR, 35amps max on the label assume again 10 to 20amps max CDR.

Be safe out there.
 

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I have just bought a new mod, the TESLACIGS® Invader 2/3 240W/360W. When I but 3x Efest 18650 3500 mAh 20A Battery - into the device it trebles the volts, is this correct and does that work the same for the 20A, does that treble also?
I may be mirroring what the others before me have already said, but sometimes we have a different way of explaining things.

First off, Efest as a company selling batteries has a tarnished reputation on this forum. They don't make their own batteries, but re-wrap other brands' rejects with their own logo wraps, and then exaggerate the battery specifications to trick consumers into believing their batteries are superior to other brands. They can change the cells they sell at any point in time and you'd never be aware of it, so the real specs and resulting performance becomes an issue. Are You Using a Rewrap (Rebranded or Aftermarket) Battery?

Knowing these facts, one has to wonder why bother with Efest batteries at all unless they are the only battery available to you. A wiser decision would be to acquire batteries made by the original manufacturers: the "Big Four" -- Lg, Samsung, Sanyo, and Sony (the brands that also make TV's).

Battery Mooch has been our "battery guru" for a couple of years:



To focus on your original question about batteries doubling/tripling their output in a regulated mod, the following might be easier for you to understand:

Are you using a single, dual, or triple battery mod? In the interests of keeping things simple:

  • If you use a good quality 15 amp CDR battery like the Samsung 30Q or Sony VTC6, then you are good up to 45 watts per battery; 90 watts using two; 135 watts with three batteries.
  • If you use a good quality 20 amp CDR battery like the LG HG2 or Samsung 25R then you are good for 60 watts per battery. If using a 2-battery regulated mod, your good for 120 watts as you have two batteries. If you are using a 3-battery mod, you're good for 180.
  • If you use a single 25 amp CDR battery like the Sony VTC5A, then you are good for 75 watts per battery, 150 watts for two batteries, and 225 watts with three.
  • If you use a single 30 amp CDR battery like the LG HB6 you are good up to 90 watts; with a pair of 30 amp CDR batteries you could safely do 180 watts.
WATTAGE PER SINGLE BATTERY:

20W-45W:
Samsung 18650 30Q, 3000 mah 15/20 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC6 3000mAh 15/20 amp CDR
20W-60W:
LG 18650HG2 3000mah 20 amp CDR
LG 18650HE2 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Samsung 18650-25R, 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Sanyo UR18650NSX, 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC5, 2600 mah 20 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC4, 2100 mah 23 amp CDR
AW 18650 3000 mah 20 amp CDR
30W - 75W:
LG 18650 HD4 2100 mah 25 amp CDR
LG 18650 HD2 2000 mah 25 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC5A, 2500 mah 25 amp CDR
60W - 90W:
LG18650HB6 1500mah 30 amp CDR
LG18650HB2 1500mAh 30 amp CDR
LG18650HB4 1500mAh 30 amp CDR​
 
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