Battery fear

[Roncgizmo]

Ok Not really, But it looks like just about everyone that talks about "unprotected batteries" warns about the evils that lurk inside.
Now I'm not saying it's just BS and that they are 100% safe or anything. But I would like to hear from people that do use them
in a mechanical mod. To make a long story short. One of my orders came in yeasterday, but it was the one with my cheap travel
charger and some protected batteries. When I went to charge up the batteries the red LED came on only to turn off just as fast.
At first I thought I may have an issue with the battery or charger. So what did I do, (some of you might flame me for this but)
I had an HP battery for a laptop I no longer have. I cracked her open and pillaged the batteries out of it and the they (or at least the two
I tried) charged up. So I took the next step and used one in my MM. So far it's been working great all day with no issues.

Now I'm thinking (from ALL the information I read about batteries here) that It's fairly safe IF you're not an idiot about it.

As in: If anything gets hot, if your vapor is reduced, stop using and start charging.

As for safety: Always lock the button when you're not using the Mod And don't run a low ohm coil.

Am I about right on this? Like I said, I would really like to hear from people that do run unprotected batteries
in a mechanical mod.

 

[dr g]

Personally I would not use a battery that I did not identify first.

 

[Racehorse]

If the charger light went off pretty quickly perhaps the batteries were almost fully charged before shipped to you.

It;s hard to tell what is going on with cheap chargers.


As for battery fear, joyetech twists are incredibly safe, and I would recommend them to anyone concerned about using separate batteries / mods. You would be hard pressed to blow up a Joyetech Twist. It will just stop working

 

[Izan]

Ok Not really, But it looks like just about everyone that talks about "unprotected batteries" warns about the evils that lurk inside.
Now I'm not saying it's just BS and that they are 100% safe or anything. But I would like to hear from people that do use them
in a mechanical mod. To make a long story short. One of my orders came in yeasterday, but it was the one with my cheap travel
charger and some protected batteries. When I went to charge up the batteries the red LED came on only to turn off just as fast.
At first I thought I may have an issue with the battery or charger. So what did I do, (some of you might flame me for this but)
I had an HP battery for a laptop I no longer have. I cracked her open and pillaged the batteries out of it and the they (or at least the two
I tried) charged up. So I took the next step and used one in my MM. So far it's been working great all day with no issues.

Now I'm thinking (from ALL the information I read about batteries here) that It's fairly safe IF you're not an idiot about it.

As in: If anything gets hot, if your vapor is reduced, stop using and start charging.

As for safety: Always lock the button when you're not using the Mod And don't run a low ohm coil.

Am I about right on this? Like I said, I would really like to hear from people that do run unprotected batteries
in a mechanical mod.

What was the voltage reading on the protected batteries? What did the multimeter read for the "pack" batteries you scrounged?
If the charger and battery are "questionable", now is a good time to contact your vendor.
Good luck

I

 

[asdaq]

What was the voltage reading on the protected batteries? What did the multimeter read for the "pack" batteries you scrounged?
If the charger and battery are "questionable", now is a good time to contact your vendor.
Good luck

I

I'm quite certain the OP has not been using a multimeter and really ought to get one before experimenting further.

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[Roncgizmo]

I'm quite certain the OP has not been using a multimeter and really ought to get one before experimenting further.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 4

You're right. I have a Fluke that stopped working on me However, I do have a vamo 3 on the way along with parts to build an inline meter. So yeah, I don't have a reading yet. But I do have a 20 year plus background in low voltage electronics so I don't think 2 or 3 days without some kind of meter is going to screw up my day. Also, try to be a little less condescending if you have nothing real to add.

 

[Rocketman]

Screwed up your day enough for you to question charger, battery, and tear up a laptop pack.

 

[SirSteve]

I have to ask, the batteries that you received with your charger didn't work then? Just kind of curious because they normally come with some charge in them, thinking maybe the protection tripped. And this would cause me to wonder why. Others have salvaged laptop batteries, so you are not alone there.

I would be a little leary of the charger if the protected batteries died instantly when you tried to charge them. Of course I could have read your post wrong, and the charger had nothing to do with the batteries failing.

 

[Roncgizmo]

The batteries did come with a charge. Before I went to bed I put the one I was using in the charger. I think it discharged it though. I should have the vamo v3 tomorrow so I can at least check the voltage with it until I find a fair deal for the meter I want.

 

[SirSteve]

The batteries did come with a charge. Before I went to bed I put the one I was using in the charger. I think it discharged it though. I should have the vamo v3 tomorrow so I can at least check the voltage with it until I find a fair deal for the meter I want.

Thanks for clearing that up, and I think you'll like the Vamo. I would be curious what the charger is charging the old laptop batteries to, and with the Vamo showing up, you'll soon know. Stay safe, IMR are good batteries for the Vamo, I even use them in my Sig #8.

 

[Roncgizmo]

Screwed up your day enough for you to question charger, battery, and tear up a laptop pack.

Not really. The only reason I still have that laptop is for parts. The mother board cooked due to a bad fan but the display and keyboard
will fit my newer laptop. However, If I didn't have a solution that would of screwed up my day. The charger? hey it was cheap. I didn't expect it to be great but I thought it might do the job until I find a good charging solution that will work for the 18350's and AA's

 

[Roncgizmo]

Thanks for clearing that up, and I think you'll like the Vamo. I would be curious what the charger is charging the old laptop batteries to, and with the Vamo showing up, you'll soon know. Stay safe, IMR are good batteries for the Vamo, I even use them in my Sig #8.

I'm curious too. I'll post it as soon as I find out. The IMR's are on my shortlist. If I find the laptop batteries to pan out I might go get myself
an 18650 type flashlight.

 

[SirSteve]

Not really. The only reason I still have that laptop is for parts. The mother board cooked due to a bad fan but the display and keyboard
will fit my newer laptop. However, If I didn't have a solution that would of screwed up my day. The charger? hey it was cheap. I didn't expect it to be great but I thought it might do the job until I find a good charging solution that will work for the 18350's and AA's

Have you looked at the Nitecore, it does many different size and types of batteries, just be sure to read the instructions, either the AA or AAA are recommended to be charged only in pairs. Sounds like you have a handle on things.

 

[Roncgizmo]

Have you looked at the Nitecore, it does many different size and types of batteries, just be sure to read the instructions, either the AA or AAA are recommended to be charged only in pairs. Sounds like you have a handle on things.

No, I'm looking for something bigger. I do some photography work and for anyplace I know I don't have an outlet I bring a handful
of flashes. I have about 50 AA batteries for the flashes and about 10 AAA batteries for the remotes. Plus between what I have now and on
the way I'll have 14 18650's. I'm looking into some chargers for RC cars so I can make some modules that will let me charge 2, 4 or 6
batteries at the same time.

 

[Switched]

I'm quite certain the OP has not been using a multimeter and really ought to get one before experimenting further.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 4

You're right. I have a Fluke that stopped working on me However, I do have a vamo 3 on the way along with parts to build an inline meter. So yeah, I don't have a reading yet. But I do have a 20 year plus background in low voltage electronics so I don't think 2 or 3 days without some kind of meter is going to screw up my day. Also, try to be a little less condescending if you have nothing real to add.

What I find alarming is for someone to post in the "modders" sub-forum (for advanced users) with a safety related questions only to diss the info received. That my friend is how accidents and statistics happen!

My signature used to contain A vaper without a multi-meter is like a doctor without a stethoscope can't diagnose anything without one.

You may have 20+ years experience in electronics, but yet can't answer even your own simple question as which is safer. A Li-Ion cell or Li-Mn, and why?

What is really alarming is reading posts/stories day in and day out of folks vaping sub 1 Ohm coils (also know as sub-Ohm coils) without the necessary knowledge or equipment to do so safely and what could be an unsafe combination of vaping these coils on inappropriate cells.

What further flabbergasts me is those same individuals that spend hundreds of dollars on mods, only to skimp on batteries or owning the cheapest (decent quality) multi-meter in promoting a safer environment for themselves.

Mods (Vamo included) have indication tools built in the PCB, they are not diagnostic tools and should never be used as such.

Wrt Nitecore chargers? They are a crap shoot at best. There is a lot of information here on ECF and other forums of questionable quality/relaibility and high failure rates.

In closing, I can't speak for others but when I/we speak about safety it is about caring for our fellow vapers safety. If you find our attitude condescending, then perhaps it is time you re-visit your own position on the subject. While you are waiting for your Vamo to arrive you may wish to take the time to read the following. I am sure that someone with your vast experience should be able to attend and retain the necessary information in short fashion.

Basic to Advanced Battery Information from Battery University

 

[bapgood]

As I was reading I was going to write a similar response as switched, but I believed switched nailed it.

You came in here and asked for help and then took offense to an obvious observation.

A cheap multimeter is better than no multimeter. And lithium batteries of any kind are no joke, a fire in a house or apartment effects more than just you.

I don't care who you are or what your experience is, if you don't know want type of battery it is....You have no business experimenting with it. The fact that you bring up your experience only makes it worse as you should know better.

 

[retird]

What I find alarming is for someone to post in the "modders" sub-forum (for advanced users) with a safety related questions only to diss the info received. That my friend is how accidents and statistics happen!

My signature used to contain A vaper without a multi-meter is like a doctor without a stethoscope can't diagnose anything without one.

You may have 20+ years experience in electronics, but yet can't answer even your own simple question as which is safer. A Li-Ion cell or Li-Mn, and why?

What is really alarming is reading posts/stories day in and day out of folks vaping sub 1 Ohm coils (also know as sub-Ohm coils) without the necessary knowledge or equipment to do so safely and what could be an unsafe combination of vaping these coils on inappropriate cells.

What further flabbergasts me is those same individuals that spend hundreds of dollars on mods, only to skimp on batteries or owning the cheapest (decent quality) multi-meter in promoting a safer environment for themselves.

Mods (Vamo included) have indication tools built in the PCB, they are not diagnostic tools and should never be used as such.

Wrt Nitecore chargers? They are a crap shoot at best. There is a lot of information here on ECF and other forums of questionable quality/relaibility and high failure rates.

In closing, I can't speak for others but when I/we speak about safety it is about caring for our fellow vapers safety. If you find our attitude condescending, then perhaps it is time you re-visit your own position on the subject. While you are waiting for your Vamo to arrive you may wish to take the time to read the following. I am sure that someone with your vast experience should be able to attend and retain the necessary information in short fashion.

Basic to Advanced Battery Information from Battery University

As I was reading I was going to write a similar response as switched, but I believed switched nailed it.

You came in here and asked for help and then took offense to an obvious observation.

A cheap multimeter is better than no multimeter. And lithium batteries of any kind are no joke, a fire in a house or apartment effects more than just you.

I don't care who you are or what your experience is, if you don't know want type of battery it is....You have no business experimenting with it. The fact that you bring up your experience only makes it worse as you should know better.

I too could post a lengthy response to chime in with those quoted here above but really no need to.....thus my only comment is READ THIS..


Basic to Advanced Battery Information from Battery University

I ponder these posts......from different threads...

You're right. I have a Fluke that stopped working on me However, I do have a vamo 3 on the way along with parts to build an inline meter. So yeah, I don't have a reading yet. But I do have a 20 year plus background in low voltage electronics so I don't think 2 or 3 days without some kind of meter is going to screw up my day. Also, try to be a little less condescending if you have nothing real to add.

From another thread........

I buy/sell, Photographer and P/T Manager at a Pier1.. In my past life I Ran car stereo shops and then started to sell cars as an Internet sales manager for a few years.

 

[Roncgizmo]

What I find alarming is for someone to post in the "modders" sub-forum (for advanced users) with a safety related questions only to diss the info received. That my friend is how accidents and statistics happen!

My signature used to contain A vaper without a multi-meter is like a doctor without a stethoscope can't diagnose anything without one.

You may have 20+ years experience in electronics, but yet can't answer even your own simple question as which is safer. A Li-Ion cell or Li-Mn, and why?

What is really alarming is reading posts/stories day in and day out of folks vaping sub 1 Ohm coils (also know as sub-Ohm coils) without the necessary knowledge or equipment to do so safely and what could be an unsafe combination of vaping these coils on inappropriate cells.

What further flabbergasts me is those same individuals that spend hundreds of dollars on mods, only to skimp on batteries or owning the cheapest (decent quality) multi-meter in promoting a safer environment for themselves.

Mods (Vamo included) have indication tools built in the PCB, they are not diagnostic tools and should never be used as such.

Wrt Nitecore chargers? They are a crap shoot at best. There is a lot of information here on ECF and other forums of questionable quality/relaibility and high failure rates.

In closing, I can't speak for others but when I/we speak about safety it is about caring for our fellow vapers safety. If you find our attitude condescending, then perhaps it is time you re-visit your own position on the subject. While you are waiting for your Vamo to arrive you may wish to take the time to read the following. I am sure that someone with your vast experience should be able to attend and retain the necessary information in short fashion.

Basic to Advanced Battery Information from Battery University

Then you misread my question. And if you think a Fluke is a "cheap meter" I have no idea what you're using. The meter I'm looking for a fair price on is another Fluke or a or an analog Simson. They don't come cheap! I know a Vamo is not a diagnostic tool but it will work in a pinch
to check coil resistance and battery voltage. this is not rocket science we are dealing with here.

I hate to tell you this but if you really think setting up a battery with a coil that heats up is advanced then maybe you're the one here that shouldn't be playing with this stuff.

And as far as "dissing" your friend? I only called him out on the way he talked down to me. Kinda like you did. did you read the part of my
OP that said I have more batteries on the way? or the other post that said "if the laptop batteries pan out I'll pickup an 18650 flashlight for them"? and yet you're still compelled to make a statement about using cheap batteries.

If you want to stay on topic my question was:

Now I'm thinking (from ALL the information I read about batteries here) that It's fairly safe IF you're not an idiot about it.

As in: If anything gets hot, if your vapor is reduced, stop using and start charging.

As for safety: Always lock the button when you're not using the Mod And don't run a low ohm coil.

Am I about right on this? Like I said, I would really like to hear from people that do run unprotected batteries
in a mechanical mod

 

[asdaq]

Ron, that wasn't meant to be condescending but rather cautionary, and your first post was so lackadaisical that is showed no indication of your 20 years experience, much like the travel charger doesn't show anything meaningful besides a red and green light. The charger you just got and has not been tested either.

Otherwise, it is not about your own safety, but that your post is going to be read by many others, who likely won't have the experience and common sense that you do, and will feel empowered to try something on there own and end up in a tragic situation.

Heh, if I wanted to be condescending, I'd probably toss you a snide quip and link you to Battery University.

With that all out of the way, did you google the number on the laptop cell's wrapper?

 

[Switched]

Then you misread my question. And if you think a Fluke is a "cheap meter" I have no idea what you're using. The meter I'm looking for a fair price on is another Fluke or a or an analog Simson. They don't come cheap! I know a Vamo is not a diagnostic tool but it will work in a pinch
to check coil resistance and battery voltage. this is not rocket science we are dealing with here.

I hate to tell you this but if you really think setting up a battery with a coil that heats up is advanced then maybe you're the one here that shouldn't be playing with this stuff.

And as far as "dissing" your friend? I only called him out on the way he talked down to me. Kinda like you did. did you read the part of my
OP that said I have more batteries on the way? or the other post that said "if the laptop batteries pan out I'll pickup an 18650 flashlight for them"? and yet you're still compelled to make a statement about using cheap batteries.

If you want to stay on topic my question was:

Now I'm thinking (from ALL the information I read about batteries here) that It's fairly safe IF you're not an idiot about it.

As in: If anything gets hot, if your vapor is reduced, stop using and start charging.

As for safety: Always lock the button when you're not using the Mod And don't run a low ohm coil.

Am I about right on this? Like I said, I would really like to hear from people that do run unprotected batteries
in a mechanical mod

I thank you for your insight, you are obviously a well rounded and educated man. I wish you all the best.