battery is 2.v need help with ohm/general battery questions

[chellie]

Hey - backstory - I have a Johnson Creek Vea 650 mah that I use with the Canteen Pro tank and 1.5 ohm dual coils. Overall I like it but have had some issues. I use two back-up ego style cig of 1100 and 1300 mah with dual coil 1.5 ohm and they perform better as far as the vape strength.

I've been reading and the Vea is rated at 3v + or - .2 so the range is 2.8 to 3.2. The ego's have higher voltage.

Here's what I'd like help with

What type of dual coil ohm coil do your recommend for the Vea? Should I go up or down with what I am currently using? I've been reading ohm's law but it will take me a bit till I really understand and all the charts I have found are for batteries with a standard higher voltage so can someone just tell me if I should continue to use the 1.5 or use a different level?

The reason I ask is that the Johnson creek coils were always just 1.5 and now they just came out with .08, 1.0, 1.2, 1.5 and 1.8. I am assuming they are all safe since it's made for their hardware. Based on their battery voltage what do you recommend and why? I like some smoke but it doesn't have to be crazy billows of vape.

Johnson Creek also just came out with a collar for the Canteen Pro with 5 air holes. What does that mean? Does it just help me customize the vape only or does it affect things mechanically? What's the difference in a vape with one hole or five holes? Does more air give a better taste? Do I use a different coil in conjunction with how many holes are being used? As you can tell I have no clue.

The ego battery that is supposed to be an 1100 mah battery works the best. Great battery life and great vape with an evod glass tank. The battery that is supposedly 1300 mah is really good but does not have quite as strong vapor and I am thinking that battery has higher voltage of like a 3.7. Should I use a higher coil of like 1.8 on that one?

I ordered a battery voltage and coil tester "thingy" so I can tell for sure what they are giving out (haven't rec'd it yet) but I'd like some input explained to me in easy language.

And since I am asking does the voltage go down as the battery is being depleted?

I know this stuff has been explained before and I have read it but there are so many different perspectives that I wanted to ask the pros.

 

[The Ocelot]

Hey - backstory - I have a Johnson Creek Vea 650 mah that I use with the Canteen Pro tank and 1.5 ohm dual coils. Overall I like it but have had some issues. I use two back-up ego style cig of 1100 and 1300 mah with dual coil 1.5 ohm and they perform better as far as the vape strength.

I've been reading and the Vea is rated at 3v + or - .2 so the range is 2.8 to 3.2. The ego's have higher voltage.

Here's what I'd like help with

What type of dual coil ohm coil do your recommend for the Vea? Should I go up or down with what I am currently using? I've been reading ohm's law but it will take me a bit till I really understand and all the charts I have found are for batteries with a standard higher voltage so can someone just tell me if I should continue to use the 1.5 or use a different level?

The reason I ask is that the Johnson creek coils were always just 1.5 and now they just came out with .08, 1.0, 1.2, 1.5 and 1.8. I am assuming they are all safe since it's made for their hardware. Based on their battery voltage what do you recommend and why? I like some smoke but it doesn't have to be crazy billows of vape.

Johnson Creek also just came out with a collar for the Canteen Pro with 5 air holes. What does that mean? Does it just help me customize the vape only or does it affect things mechanically? What's the difference in a vape with one hole or five holes? Does more air give a better taste? Do I use a different coil in conjunction with how many holes are being used? As you can tell I have no clue.

The ego battery that is supposed to be an 1100 mah battery works the best. Great battery life and great vape with an evod glass tank. The battery that is supposedly 1300 mah is really good but does not have quite as strong vapor and I am thinking that battery has higher voltage of like a 3.7. Should I use a higher coil of like 1.8 on that one?

I ordered a battery voltage and coil tester "thingy" so I can tell for sure what they are giving out but I'd like some input explained to me in easy language.

Are any of your batteries variable voltage?

You've also got your resistances off, JC must have a 0.8 coil, not 0.08Ω. That said, when you move into lower resistance heads it's the amp limit you need to be concerned about. Even if your battery is actually firing at 2.8v, with a 0.8Ω head it would be drawing 3.5 amps; 3.7v would draw 4.6, neither of which are appropriate for your batteries, if they would fire at all. Please God no!

"mAh" stands for milliampere-hour which represents the length of time a battery will last between charges. 100mAh is roughly equal to 1 hour of use (although it tends to be less in vaping). The higher the mAh, the longer the battery will last, but also the larger it will be in size. It has nothing to do with the "strength" of your vape.

And since I am asking does the voltage go down as the battery is being depleted.

I know this stuff has been explained before and I have read it but there are so many different perspectives that I wanted to ask the pros.

Whether or not the voltage goes down as you vape depends on the battery. The voltage of an unregulated battery will deplete as the battery discharges, whereas a regulated battery will delivery a consistent level (more or less, depending on the quality). It get's a little tricky with eGo-style batteries, as some are regulated and some aren't. This is the main reason I suggest new vapers get name brand batteries - you know what you are getting, plus they seem to have fewer problems.

ETA: Oops! I'm sorry. I was too busy preaching to answer your first question. When I was using eGo-style batteries, I used single coils running about 1.7 to 2.0Ω (I like a cooler vape and I don't think they sold lower resistances anyway). I don't want to get into a long explanation, but using dual coils at the level you're vaping will use up more battery life. (If anyone wants the long explanation, PM me.)

As for airflow controllers, they are just that. Some people prefer an airy draw over a tight one and vice-versa. It doesn't do anything mechanical to your device.

 

[Katya]

Hi Shellie. The Vea is an eGo clone but I'm not very familiar with it--voltage, connection etc. If it's a 3.3v battery like the regular classic egos, you can only use 1.5 or 1.8Ω single coil atomizers with it--nothing else will produce satisfactory results.

If you have an unregulated eGo-class battery (3.7v), you can use a bit higher resistance atties (2.5Ω or so), but not dual coils.

If you want to use dual-coil atties, you'll need a better battery, like a variable voltage eGo or an MVP2.

Disclaimer: This is the most simplistic explanation and is addressed to new vapers or vapers who are happy within the recommended "just right" power zone (5-8.5 watts) and use stock coils.

Ohm's Law as it pertains to vaping is really not that complicated--and it's very useful when you want to know what you're doing.

Voltage and wattage are often misunderstood by new vapers. Wattage is the power (heat, sweet spot) that your PV (battery and atomizer) generates. Wattage = Voltage (of your battery) squared divided by Resistance (Ω) of your atomizer [P=V[SUP]2[/SUP]/R]. If you're not good at math, don't worry, use this easy calculator:

Online Conversion - Ohm's Law Calculator

Of course, if you own a VW (variable wattage) device, you don't really need this calculator because your device will do the math for you.

The wattage you want, especially at the beginning of your vaping career, should be somewhere between 4.5 and 8.5 watts per coil. Anything lower than 4.5 watts may not vaporize your juice properly and will not produce enough warmth and vapor. Anything above 8.5 watts increases the risk of burning the filler in your cartomizers (if you're using them) or dry with your clearomizers.

There are, of course, other variables, like eliquid and JDD (juice delivery devices) that you're using on your batteries. Seven watts on a filler type cartomizer may feel different than the same 7 watts on a fillerless clearomizer or a dripping atomizer. The same is true for different eliquids; tobaccos, chocolate and coffees generally require more wattage (heat), while fruit and other delicate flavors do better with less heat. Everyone's sweet spot is different--those are just very general guidelines.

If you are using dual coil atomizers, things get a bit more confusing. Dual coil atties consist of two coils configured in parallel, which means that a 2.1Ω atty is really two 4.2Ω coils--so you have to calculate your wattage based on the 4.2Ω number--not 2.1Ω--roughly. Dual coil atties require more wattage than singles, but not quite twice as much. They produce more vapor due to increased surface. I usually increase the power (wattage) by ~50% when using dual coils; for example, if I like 6 watts with a single coil atty, I start at 8-9 watts with a dual coil atty. That's just my preference--YMMV. When in doubt--start low and adjust up as needed.

If you are interested in high wattage (and/or sub-ohm)vaping, that's a different conversation altogether--and not my area of expertise.

Experiment and you'll find your own bliss in no time!

The chart below is a good guide to safe vaping, even though some think it's a bit conservative.

 

[The Ocelot]

Hi Shellie...

Tweet tweet! i haz beated u. I know the Vea is an eGo-style sold by JC, but in the back of my mind I keep thinking that there is something slightly different about the threading, although I could be confusing it with a Riva or ???

 

[chellie]

Thanks. You are right .8 (typo) the other are correct. None are variable voltage. I did research and went with the Vea but I needed more battery life and decided to try some ego style batteries. I understand about batteries and battery life but I am still learning the piece about how it all ties together especially as to how it related to the coils I use.

I've read there is a general rule of double the coil plus .2 to make sure it OK with the battery voltage. Is that true?

I believe the egos are unregulated since the specs are 3.7 to 3.7 for the 1100 mah and 3.3 to 4.2 for the 1300 mah. So I guess I figured out that would then mean they would decrease in voltage as they discharge - right? So should I make sure the coil I choose works for the lowest voltage?

I don't know if they Vea battery is regulated or not. I would think it is since their only range is = or - .2 so that should mean it is putting out a constant fixed voltage?

 

[Katya]

Tweet tweet! i haz beated u. I know the Vea is an eGo-style sold by JC, but in the back of my mind I keep thinking that there is something slightly different about the threading, although I could be confusing it with a Riva or ???

This question comes up occasionally; I even checked a few older threads--but it's a mystery battery... I never figured out if it's proprietary or not, or what's its voltage output... I tried and I failed.

So sorry OP. If you reall ywant to know more about the Vea, I suggest you ask JC directly--they should be able to answer your questions.

 

[chellie]

Tweet tweet! i haz beated u. I know the Vea is an eGo-style sold by JC, but in the back of my mind I keep thinking that there is something slightly different about the threading, although I could be confusing it with a Riva or ???

Yea it has the 510 thread and then where the ego threads would be there is a plastic band. I think maybe the ego threads are under there but an ego only threaded tank won't work on it. I have an evod glass on the ego and it has both threads so it fits on the go.

 

[chellie]

Thansk again - I use dual coils and all the charts are for the single ones. Their battery is lower than the ego - 3v + - .2 Thanks for all the helpful info.

 

[Katya]

I've read there is a general rule of double the coil plus .2 to make sure it OK with the battery voltage. Is that true?

No. Not even close--please read my post about and use the handy dandy Ohm's calculator.

I believe the egos are unregulated since the specs are 3.7 to 3.7 for the 1100 mah and 3.3 to 4.2 for the 1300 mah.

Classic eGos are regulated at 3.3v.

Unregulated Li-Ion batteries come off the charger at 4.2v (briefly), then stay at 3.7v for most of their cycle, and then they cut off at 3.2 or so.

So I guess I figured out that would then mean they would decrease in voltage as they discharge - right? So should I make sure the coil I choose works for the lowest voltage?

No, you calculate you wattage based on 3.7v.

I don't know if they Vea battery is regulated or not. I would think it is since their only range is = or - .2 so that should mean it is putting out a constant fixed voltage?

Sorry--see my post above.

 

[chellie]

This question comes up occasionally; I even checked a few older threads--but it's a mystery battery... I never figured out if it's proprietary or not, or what's its voltage output... I tried and I failed.

So sorry OP. If you reall ywant to know more about the Vea, I suggest you ask JC directly--they should be able to answer your questions.

It's kind of strange because in some reviews their voltage was listed as 2.8 and on cached areas of their website it is listed as 2.8. The most current info on their site is 3.0 v + or -.2.

 

[Katya]

Thansk again - I use dual coils and all the charts are for the single ones. Their battery is lower than the ego - 3v + - .2 Thanks for all the helpful info.

You really can't use dual coils on eGo-class batteries. Not enough voltage. You need at least 4v for DC atties....

 

[Katya]

It's kind of strange because in some reviews their voltage was listed as 2.8 and on cached areas of their website it is listed as 2.8. The most current info on their site is 3.0 v + or -.2.

I've never heard of a 2.8v Li-Ion battery--ever.

If it's really 3v, it means it's regulated at 3v. IMO, a 3v battery is pretty much useless, even with low resistance atties. Let alone dual coils.

 

[The Ocelot]

Thanks. You are right .8 (typo) the other are correct. None are variable voltage. I did research and went with the Vea but I needed more battery life and decided to try some ego style batteries. I understand about batteries and battery life but I am still learning the piece about how it all ties together especially as to how it related to the coils I use.

I've read there is a general rule of double the coil plus .2 to make sure it OK with the battery voltage. Is that true?

I believe the egos are unregulated since the specs are 3.7 to 3.7 for the 1100 mah and 3.3 to 4.2 for the 1300 mah. So I guess I figured out that would then mean they would decrease in voltage as they discharge - right? So should I make sure the coil I choose works for the lowest voltage?

I don't know if they Vea battery is regulated or not. I would think it is since their only range is = or - .2 so that should mean it is putting out a constant fixed voltage?

I'm not sure what the result of that calculation shortcut is supposed to be. I think you might be confusing it with a shortcut to setting variable voltage on-the-fly. In that scenario, you take the resistance of the coil +2, then use the resulting number as a where to set the voltage. At that setting roughly 8 watts will be produced which is a starting point from where you can fine tune up or down to taste.

 

[chellie]

I can't type tonight...lol the 1100 is 3.3 to 3.7.

I've got a voltage and coil tester coming in the next few days as I continue to learn

 

[Katya]

Tweet tweet! i haz beated u. I know the Vea is an eGo-style sold by JC, but in the back of my mind I keep thinking that there is something slightly different about the threading, although I could be confusing it with a Riva or ???

Riva is an unregulated eGo--3.7v, same dual 510/eGo connection.

 

[Katya]

I'm not sure what the result of that calculation shortcut is supposed to be. I think you might be confusing it with a shortcut to setting variable voltage on-the-fly. In that scenario, you take the resistance of the coil +2, then use the resulting number as a where to set the voltage. At that setting roughly 8 watts will be produced which is a starting point from where you can fine tune up or down to taste.

Right--the problem with that shortcut rule is that it always takes you to 8 watts, which is too high for many people and is just outside of Kangers specs. Kanger recommends 5-7.5 watts (per single coil)--8 watts is potential dry hit territory.

Just saying.

 

[The Ocelot]

I can't type tonight...lol the 1100 is 3.3 to 3.7.

I've got a voltage and coil tester coming in the next few days as I continue to learn

That sounds better. Joyetech eGos, like the one I started with fire at 3.2v and the Twist goes from 3.2v to 4.8v (as does a Vision Spinner). You might consider one of those to play with, they aren't very expensive.

 

[The Ocelot]

Right--the problem with that shortcut rule is that it always takes you to 8 watts, which is too high for many people and is just outside of Kangers specs. Kanger recommends 5-7.5 watts (per single coil)--8 watts is potential dry hit territory.

Just saying.

When I learned the shortcut there were no Kangers. I really just tell people the shortcut because it always comes to 8 (rounded) and is easy to remember. I like a cool vape, so I quickly learned to subtract in my head. But then again, I'm currently vaping a HyperTank with a Protank head at 11 watts. It's on a P3 too - God I feel like a rebel! Lol!

 

[The Ocelot]

Riva is an unregulated eGo--3.7v, same dual 510/eGo connection.

I wonder what I'm thinking of? Google, Google, Google


ETA: Hmmm. It might be the Vea I was thinking of after all. This is from the Johnson Creek website.

Can I Use Other Tanks Or Cartomizers On My Vea® Battery?

Many cartomizers will fit on our Vea® batteries as they are a 510 threading style, which is the most popular threading style. Although they may fit, we cannot guarantee that they will work effectively or for that matter at all. Additionally, the Vea® batteries do not have outer eGo threads. Any cartomizer or tank that is not our Vea® branded cartomizer/Canteen™ you will have to try at your own risk as the batteries cannot be warrantied against failure if another product is used in conjunction with it. If you are going to try different cartomizers with the Vea®; batteries, check with the manufacturer for further information on specifics of their cartomizer to ensure they are compatible with 3.0 +/- 0.2 volt batteries.

Dang those are weak batteries.

 

[Katya]

When I learned the shortcut there were no Kangers. I really just tell people the shortcut because it always comes to 8 (rounded) and is easy to remember. I like a cool vape, so I quickly learned to subtract in my head. But then again, I'm currently vaping a HyperTank with a Protank head at 11 watts. It's on a P3 too - God I feel like a rebel! Lol!

Living dangerously? Is it a rebuilt head?

Anyway, before I got my first vw mod, I just used my online calculator. I'm a cautious bird...