battery melted rda mod contact point

[edyle]

I don't understand the energy transference like how it is actually made if you know which is why I wasn't able to grasp ohms law. Other than energy source. And now after reading and going and entering the numbers i was running yesterday on steam engine yes I'm glad I'm actually not dead. I have entered the numbers of resistances that y'all have gave me and it is helping me understand how mAh and V do matter yes but when you are actually firing it is about Amps and Ω. I'm assuming the energy transference I could visualize if running way too low resistance as trying to split an atom? And when the battery would hit the connector post the energy that is supposed to be able to evenly flow through the battery and connector post and coils looses control because the coils are what is pulling the power? Please tell me if I'm wrong anywhere in my lame short story/visual. How I can best describe how I understand ohms law.

I'm not clear on the question but perhaps this would interest:

watts = volts x volts / ohms

watts is the energy per second.

as for the battery hitting the connector post, have a look at the video I posted about the big problem with mods like the smpl that have no centerpin.

 

[edyle]

So mech mods with 510 pins won't blow up, or there is still that chance but just a lot less than hybrid mods?

Mech Mods that don't have a centerpin has a special danger.
The centerpin on the atty is only a hairline away from the 510 threading that is around it, and if they both contact the metal at the top of the battery at the same time, it's a short circuit and no power goes through the coil; instead the positive of the battery goes directly to the negative body of the mod. kaboom.

 

[Makaela]

I'm not clear on the question but perhaps this would interest:

watts = volts x volts / ohms

watts is the energy per second.

as for the battery hitting the connector post, have a look at the video I posted about the big problem with mods like the smpl that have no centerpin.

I guess my question for right now is are the coils what pull the energy? Or does the battery force energy and the coils just receive. So if the coils are at a too low resistance the battery will short circuit because the battery does not have enough energy to transfer into what is needed by the coils?

 

[edyle]

I guess my question for right now is are the coils what pull the energy? Or does the battery force energy and the coils just receive. So if the coils are at a too low resistance the battery will short circuit because the battery does not have enough energy to transfer into what is needed by the coils?

The battery pushes energy through metal.
The battery has energy pent up inside it.

The coil has resistance to the flow of energy.
Pushing energy through the resistance of the coil causes the coil to get hot.

The lower the resistance of the coil, the faster energy can flow.

When the resistance is too low, the energy pent up inside the battery explodes forth because there isn't much stopping it.


It is like a car tire;
The tire is pressurized with air.
If you make a small hole in the tire, the air starts to release from the tire; because the hole is small, the air is released slowly in a controlled way.
If you make a big hole in the tire, the air explodes out in an uncontrolled way.

 

[Makaela]

The battery pushes energy through metal.
The battery has energy pent up inside it.

The coil has resistance to the flow of energy.
Pushing energy through the resistance of the coil causes the coil to get hot.

The lower the resistance of the coil, the faster energy can flow.

When the resistance is too low, the energy pent up inside the battery explodes forth because there isn't much stopping it.


It is like a car tire;
The tire is pressurized with air.
If you make a small hole in the tire, the air starts to release from the tire; because the hole is small, the air is released slowly in a controlled way.
If you make a big hole in the tire, the air explodes out in an uncontrolled way.

That makes soo much more sence than my visual. And thank you so much for your replies

 

[Kaezziel]

So glad that you're figuring it all out, @Makaela !!

There are a lot of people here who can help you figure out how to put it all together. If you check out Ohm's Law: Explain it for the noob and Ohm's Law for Vapers by @Baditude then you'll definitely have a good start towards understanding things a lot more. He also has some very good posts in his blog about battery safety. And you're already following Mooch, so you know where to find good info on the batteries, themselves as well. He does a lot of very in-depth testing to determine which batteries are best for our usage.

 

[Mad Scientist]

So mech mods with 510 pins won't blow up, or there is still that chance but just a lot less than hybrid mods?

The center pin reduces risk by reducing the chance that the battery will short to one side of the 510. A low resistance build or a build likely to short can still explode a battery.

Mechs are inherently risky and downright dangerous until you gain the knowledge and experience needed to use them. Sort of a chain saw type tool. Or maybe a car. I wouldn't give car keys to someone who had never driven before, but everyone can learn how to drive.

 

[Eitje]

That makes soo much more sence than my visual. And thank you so much for your replies

Any reason why you started with a mech mod?
Nowadays there are such decent and powerful regulated mods out there that unless you fell for the looks (totally valid ), a mech mod doesn't really add anything to the vape experience.
Rather the opposite I'd say.
Maybe worth considering an evic vtc mini or similar... Very decent mods can be had for 40$ or less. They can power all your RDAs etc without issues and can be considered a lot safer to use.
Just a thought.

 

[David Wolf]

i use my mutation vx4 on mine but you must still visually inspect your atty for coil shorts and for the correct center pin , the smpl mod is not a good mod for a new user at all I always suggest if you start with a mech to use something with top and bottom contacts to avoid the problem with the 510

Sounds a like the smpl is an accident waiting to happen to me.

 

[Kaezziel]

Sounds a like the smpl is an accident waiting to happen to me.

It is very picky... I have a Praxis that uses a similar concept. It has the faux-hybrid type of top cap... where the atty screws through a plate that is recessed in the mod tube. Works great when paired with a Derringer, but I wouldn't dare put my Tobh on it... the Tobh centerpin doesn't extend far enough. Simple to fix if I changed the centerpin, but I'm perfectly happy with the Derringer... with those types of mods, you really need to know what to look for. Especially when it comes to atty choices.

 

[Makaela]

Any reason why you started with a mech mod?
Nowadays there are such decent and powerful regulated mods out there that unless you fell for the looks (totally valid ), a mech mod doesn't really add anything to the vape experience.
Rather the opposite I'd say.
Maybe worth considering an evic vtc mini or similar... Very decent mods can be had for 40$ or less. They can power all your RDAs etc without issues and can be considered a lot safer to use.
Just a thought.

I started with a regulated well about like 10 and I have butter fingers and it's durability. My tugboat started out tiffany blue and is now completely copper color except for the top about half an inch

 

[mamabear15]

Would ypu recommend since I still am learning that i stay around a .10? I obviously did not understand that the atty was not compatible. The people at my local vape
Shops just have pretty faces so I've had about 3 days in person learning from my brother in law and the rest online

No.....sorry

On a Samsung, if you mean the 25r you need to stay 0.3-0.4 ... It's a 20A battery...
If you want to go lower, get a Sony vtc4, and still stay no lower than 0.2

If you wanna build lower than that, look at pics above

Ditch the SMPL, there's too much to learn to teach you all in of this in a day.

Non-hybrid mech, new atty, new battery, higher ohms, you'll be fine

God I'm glad that thing didn't explode in your face...whew!

 

[mamabear15]

Yea you know I came here for help thanks. Sorry I trusted someone who worked at a shop and sold me the atty and battery amd sleeve and everything i own. Not really okay for you just to say please stop and offer no help.

"Not really OK for you to say..." Yeah, no. Girl, chill. People are trying to keep you alive. And as to "no help" -- all your questions have already been answered and you chose to ignore the answers to jump on the author of one response that teed you off. Get real. Read the info you've been given. Listen to what you've been told cuz it's simply scientific/electrical fact, not really up for debate, sorry. If you've got a problem with that, I'll leave it at just "good luck, hope I don't see you on the news with half your face blown off!"

 

[Makaela]

"Not really OK for you to say..." Yeah, no. Girl, chill. People are trying to keep you alive. And as to "no help" -- all your questions have already been answered and you chose to ignore the answers to jump on the author of one response that teed you off. Get real. Read the info you've been given. Listen to what you've been told cuz it's simply scientific/electrical fact, not really up for debate, sorry. If you've got a problem with that, I'll leave it at just "good luck, hope I don't see you on the news with half your face blown off!"

You have not read the entire thread obviously. And i am now understanding ohms. And someone pmd me and went into more depth and gave me more links. You have no idea what i have and have not read.

 

[Makaela]

And just so everyone knows and will get off the "I haven't read or learnedanything train." I re built on my mutationv4 and I'm at .38 Ω and and my amp limit is 22. At 9.21 amp now with this battery and build. So yea i did learn something and thank you to everyone who was concerned. And helped with either advice, links, etc. Not just leaving an unhelpful comment.

 

[Ablonz]

Glad to hear all is going well now.

 

[Makaela]

Glad to hear all is going well now.

Thank you! I am glad i wasn't hurt and glad i can now vape without worrying whether my math is off. I now know that even a .5 difference can turn into a catastrophe.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I switched the atty to my mutation v4 is that alright? This is the first time I've ever had something like this happen and I'm just trying to understand it more.

if the center pin on the atty does not protrude enough below the 510 threaded portion on the atty the the positive post on the battery will short to the threaded portion which is connected to ground. If the center pin gets loose this can also happen or if the mod is dropped and it knocks the center pin up some.
Those Smpl mods are dangerous even in the hands of experienced users.

If the mod unscrews enough and you hit the button you will also have a direct short and maybe a boom.

 

[Makaela]

if the center pin on the atty does not protrude enough below the 510 threaded portion on the atty the the positive post on the battery will short to the threaded portion which is connected to ground. If the center pin gets loose this can also happen or if the mod is dropped and it knocks the center pin up some.
Those Smpl mods are dangerous even in the hands of experienced users.

If the mod unscrews enough and you hit the button you will also have a direct short and maybe a boom.

I check the mod at least 3 times a day for juice inside the threads. I will make checking the post part of that regemine also.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

My mutation when i built it was at .12 i just measured now its at .28

If it is a contact type of coil the resistance will go up after the surface of the Kanthal oxidizes some. If not burned in/oxidized the touching coils will short together reducing the overall resistance of the coil.