Battery Question

[KABird]

I have the Endulgence V3 with the 18650 3000mAh 3.7v Li-ion, well if I stack two 16340 1000mAh 3v that makes 6 volts. Any who - I was looking for the 16340's and ran into this site (E-Cig Mods - E Cig : Joye eGo & eGo-T | Boge Leo | Cartomizers | E-Liquid | Electronic Cigarettes | eGo Tank) where they state these batteries will not work with a DCC becuase the batteries are protected.

Just curious if anyone knows.

Thanks

Keith

 

[Mindfield]

Whether the battery is protected or not has little to do with the battery and everything to do with the device it's on. Dual coils suck a lot of power from the device. If the device can't handle the amperage draw it's likely to trip the protection circuit on the device, or if the device doesn't have one, on the battery, which will result in the carto not working.

However, a high capacity battery should have no touble handling the draw on a regular dual coil carto at a nominal voltage of about 3.7V provided the device doesn't have a low amp limit that trips its protection circuit. I've used dual coils on everything from an eGo to ProVari, the latter using both protected and unprotected batteries. I can't push the voltage very far because it has a 2.5A limit, but they work just fine.

 

[KABird]

MindField, that was what I was thinking. The idea that a vendor/supplier would put such a cuation as to the battery being unable to handle the load when the device is designed to do so is what caught my attention.

 

[mlinky]

Actually, the batteries matter more than the device as far as performance with different atomizers and cartomizers. If you are interested, read this: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/129569-rechargeable-batteries.html

 

[Mudflap]

I have the Endulgence V3 with the 18650 3000mAh 3.7v Li-ion, well if I stack two 16340 1000mAh 3v that makes 6 volts. Any who - I was looking for the 16340's and ran into this site (E-Cig Mods - E Cig : Joye eGo & eGo-T | Boge Leo | Cartomizers | E-Liquid | Electronic Cigarettes | eGo Tank) where they state these batteries will not work with a DCC becuase the batteries are protected.

Just curious if anyone knows.

Thanks

Keith

These will work just fine and are safe.

These are the same type battery but another reputable brand.

If you don't buy a kit that includes a charger, make sure you get a charger rated for 3.0/3.2 volt RCR 123a's. Here's an example.

Avoid these batteries. They have a PCB that will trip when you try to use LR DCC's.

 

[KABird]

16340 Protected battery Li-Ion, 3V 1000mah

'This won't work with Dual coil Cartomizer due to the protection in them

They will work with single coil' THIS WAS Copied and Pasted from the vendor (Link Above). The batteries are cheap at 1.99 each.

I just for the life of me, don'tunderstand why they wouldn't work as these are the batteries spec.ed by the Indulgence V3

 

[Mudflap]

16340 Protected battery Li-Ion, 3V 1000mah

'This won't work with Dual coil Cartomizer due to the protection in them

They will work with single coil' THIS WAS Copied and Pasted from the vendor (Link Above). The batteries are cheap at 1.99 each.

I just for the life of me, don'tunderstand why they wouldn't work as these are the batteries spec.ed by the Indulgence V3

They appear to be cheap generic batteries. Spend a few bucks more for better quality and you'll be much happier. LiFePO4 RCR 123a's are what you want. They don't have a PCB nor do they need them. Good performance to vape your LR dual coil cartos at 6 volts and safe chemistry to boot.

 

[wv2win]

Whether the battery is protected or not has little to do with the battery and everything to do with the device it's on. Dual coils suck a lot of power from the device. If the device can't handle the amperage draw it's likely to trip the protection circuit on the device, or if the device doesn't have one, on the battery, which will result in the carto not working.

However, a high capacity battery should have no touble handling the draw on a regular dual coil carto at a nominal voltage of about 3.7V provided the device doesn't have a low amp limit that trips its protection circuit. I've used dual coils on everything from an eGo to ProVari, the latter using both protected and unprotected batteries. I can't push the voltage very far because it has a 2.5A limit, but they work just fine.

I can't completely agree with this. The battery and it's protection protocol make a big difference when you use dual coil cartos. Unless the batteries are high drain, the dual coils WILL trip the protection circuit in the battery, making it useless.

 

[KABird]

MudFlap, the manufacturer of the Indulgence V3 states clearly to use only Proteceted cells (?) Is it ok to use others (Non Protected)then?

Again I'm a Newbie and just trying to find my Sweet Spot on the Vape ;-)

 

[wv2win]

............Again I'm a Newbie and just trying to find my Sweet Spot on the Vape ;-)

The sweet spot for many veteran vapers is 4.5v - 5.0v using standard resistence cartos/attys. It's a significant reason why 5 volt and variable volt models are so popular.

 

[Mindfield]

I can't completely agree with this. The battery and it's protection protocol make a big difference when you use dual coil cartos. Unless the batteries are high drain, the dual coils WILL trip the protection circuit in the battery, making it useless.

I think that really depends on the voltage though. Everything I've ever tried a dual coil on has been able to use it at the usual 3.3-3.7V without issue. That's around 2.2-2.5A, which is on the high side, but with few exceptions that I've noticed most devices can handle at least 2A without much if any issue, and that's generally the safe limit. Beyond the presence of a protection circuit in the device itself, the amount of current that will trip the battery's protection circuit may diffeer from manufacturer to manufacturer, but they'll generally observe the manufacturer's C rating.

Just the same though I'd generally recommend high drains anyway, if only because while they have lower capacity, they'll be able to handle whatever you put them through.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

I agree with Mudflap. Batts are the lifeblood of your PV. I have some Trustfire 3.7 V 2400 mah and after almost 3 months they are almost ready for the garbage. Well worth spending the extra cash for the higher quality batts. I'm getting a multi meter for Christmas so haven't measured the TF but I know they are loosing their jolt.

 

[wv2win]

I talked with Ken from Ken's Box Mods about this issue. He stated categorically to only use high drain batteries with dual coils due to the protection circuit in the battery. I've tried both battery types in my 5 volt box mod and only the high drains will allow me to use the dual coils, so it supports his advice. I know I have no problem using dual coils with my 1800 mAh Darwin battery. I have no idea how the protection circuit works in that battery or if it is considered high drain but I my guess is that it is that type of battery.

 

[KABird]

VW2Win, I am learning more and more each day thanks to the many members here willing to assist us not so knowledgable on the subject.

When I first decided I would try vaping as an alternative to smoking, the V2 line was what I was looking at only to be dirrected towards something that would better help my ticotine need (2 pack a day + non-filters for over 35 years.

I went with the Indulgence for a few reason - most of which was it was in stock plus the ability to upgrade and durability. That said, I purchased the Indulgence two DCC tanks, muliple DCC Cartomizers and well you get the idea. I now have learned that at 3.7 volts the DCC don't work at thier fullest and quickly drain the batteries, so I have ordered a half dozen LR 1.7 ohm. cartomizers for my tanks, but figured I would look into the 6 volt options to use the DCC's a some point.

I am just hoping to continue in my education of Vaping and stay off the analogs.

Please continue to offer advice, I read and follow up on all ;-)

Thanks Again

Keith

 

[mlinky]

MudFlap, the manufacturer of the Indulgence V3 states clearly to use only Proteceted cells (?) Is it ok to use others (Non Protected)then?

Again I'm a Newbie and just trying to find my Sweet Spot on the Vape ;-)

Protected cells are only necessary for Li-ion batteries, not for safe chemistry batteries like the Li-FePo4, which are all 3v (nominal). Does the vendor where you bought your Indulgence offer a 6v battery option? One of the issues you may run into is that the Indulgence has a fixed length, so the exact battery size makes a difference, or you may need spacers.

 

[Mudflap]

MudFlap, the manufacturer of the Indulgence V3 states clearly to use only Proteceted cells (?) Is it ok to use others (Non Protected)then?

Again I'm a Newbie and just trying to find my Sweet Spot on the Vape ;-)

They were instructing you to use only protected batteries when using 3.7 volt batteries with lithium ion chemistry. The batteries I recommended for six volts are 3.0 volt lithium iron phosphate batteries and don't require PCBs because they are much safer than lithium ion batteries. You'd have to use them in pairs in your Indulgence, but they will work.

Edit: what Mlinky said.

 

[wv2win]

Keith, you are on the right track. Being a heavy smoker, getting a model that provides more power is a smart idea on your part. But when you want to add another model to your inventory, I would suggest you look at either a good 5 volt model or a good variable volt or variable wattage model. I think this will come closer, at least from a battery standpoint to meeting your needs. The models that I recommend due to their performance and features and warranty are these two:

5 volt GLV2: Electronic Cigarettes and E-Liquid - Great Lakes Vapor

Prower regulated, variable wattage Darwin: Nhaler

Another option I think you should look into is the "Kick". It is made by Evolv who makes the Darwin and is sold by nhaler,com as well as other suppliers. I'm not sure it is on the market yet, but it will cost $40 and works with mechanical mods like you have. It will turn the mechanical mod into a variable wattage model like the Darwin. I would keep your eye open on this new option.

 

[KABird]

So let me see if I am understanding everything so far - As for battery type, it dosen't matter as to wether a battery is safe chem or protected as long as they are the correct size and voltage. Use High Drain types.

Even with the issues I'm running into, I am enjoying my Endulgence and since it's arrival Monday afternoon, I have only smoked five anaologs - about 60+ avoided.

I'll get my Game On with this vaping, and with all of your help I can really see this being a lifelong replacement for analogs.

Thanks

Keith

 

[KABird]

The learning curve is becoming more defined with nearly every post and response I read. CCV finally shows the Ressurectors as in stock so I purchased 15. Don't want to run out ;-)

I also pick up a nice little customizable, multi-compartment storage box for all the extra's I am accumilating.

Two DCC Tanks, 6 510 DCT Replacement Cartomizer - 1.5 Ohm, 6 510 DCT Replacement Cartomizer - 2.0 Ohm (Sent free by Eltie Vapoworks for a mistake on my order), 6 LR pre-tapped carto (smoktech 1.7ohm) from Parks Vapor, 30 ml bottle of RY4 24mg, and few spare Boge LR cartomizers - All this fits nicely with plenty of room to spare ;-)

I stated looking into pass thrue's for here in my office and maybe one for home at desk/computer - Any recommendations?

Please keep the great info coming

Thanks

Keith

 

[Rebel1966]

Great Post Guys!!!